Why Are Trump Surrogates Calling for U.S. Civil War?

Updated on September 29, 2017
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Mr Bueno is a sometimes writer, musician, and digital artist. He treats art as Magick. He currently lives and works in Cambridge, England.

Infowars' Alex Jones is in a flap about civil war
Infowars' Alex Jones is in a flap about civil war

Smoke, Mirrors, Roger Stone and Infowars

By now, many people will be familiar with the name Roger Stone. During the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, Roger Stone distinguished himself by becoming the mouthpiece for Donald Trump, embedded in the online media operations of alt-right conspiracy platforms such as Alex Jones’ Infowars and Breitbart.

The story was, as I have documented elsewhere, that Roger Stone either quit or was fired as Trump’s presidential campaign manager back in its embryonic phase in August 2015. According to Trump, Stone was fired, according to Stone he left of his own accord. The likelihood is, however, that he never left the campaign at all but in a smoke and mirrors manoeuvre became Trump’s man on the burgeoning right-wing conspiracy fringe, probably with the caveat that, should such a move blow up in Trump’s face, and the public association with conspiracy nuts such as Infowars’ Alex Jones invite ridicule and poor polling numbers, Trump would have the plausible-deniability of saying that Stone had left the campaign in acrimonious circumstances.

As it turns out, that wasn’t required and Trump appeared on Infowars being interviewed by Alex Jones, who fawned over and soft-soaped Trump in one of the most embarrassing political interviews ever recorded. In one fell swoop, Trump managed to co-opt the truther, conspiracy and patriot movements that Infowars and Jones had spent many years cultivating.

Roger Stone
Roger Stone

Alex Jones and Alien Intelligence

Have no doubt about it, it was the support of Infowars and Breitbart that won the election for Trump, evidenced by the thousands of ‘Hillary For Prison’ t-shirts that were worn at every Trump rally during the election campaign. This fact should disturb every American. Even more disturbing should be the fact that Alex Jones at Infowars and some of his guests are now openly and regularly inciting civil war in the United States.

During the election campaign it appeared that where Alex Jones went ideologically, Trump always followed, although he kept his rhetoric somewhat saner and decided not to go with Jones’ assertion that the elite are planning to destroy the earth and then merge with machines before blasting off for Alpha Centauri.

Russia Probe

The question that now needs to be asked, is if Trump took his cues from Alex Jones and Infowars during the election campaign, is he still doing that now. If so, the United States is in for an uncomfortable time, especially as the investigation into the allegations of Russian interference in the 2016 election gets closer and closer to Donald Trump.

Right on cue, as Roger Stone finds himself having to testify in private before the House Intelligence Committee, Stone is himself suggesting civil war will break out should Donald Trump be impeached. In a video filmed at Los Angeles International Airport by TMZ, Stone was asked if he thought there was any chance that Trump would be impeached. In the exchange, Stone was very forthright:

“The people who are calling for impeachment are the people that didn’t vote for him, they need to get over it. They lost. Their candidate had every advantage, they spent two billion dollars, he spent two hundred and seventy-five million, sorry, he whipped her ass, it’s over, you lost. Try to impeach him, just try it, you will have a spasm of violence in this country, an insurrection like you’ve never seen. No question, both sides are heavily armed my friend, absolutely.

This is not 1974, the people will not stand for impeachment, a politician who votes for it would be endangering their own life. There will be violence on both sides, I’ll make this clear, I’m not advocating violence but I’m predicting it.”

He was then asked if he was predicting a civil war scenario and he replied:

“Yes, I think that is what will happen.”

Roger Stone's Groundhog Day

Stone has said publically on Infowars that he wanted to testify before the House Intelligence Committee in public in the interests of transparency but this was refused, probably on the grounds that when Roger Stone gets a public platform, he uses it to stir up rancour and hatred and he couldn’t get a more public platform to use than a public hearing of the Intelligence Committee.

But surely just because Roger Stone is suggesting civil war in the case of a Trump impeachment, it doesn’t mean it’s going to happen, right?

Stone uses the comparison of 1974 when Nixon resigned and says we are now living in different times and I’m guessing that he means the media landscape is far different today than it was back then. Alex Jones claims Infowars pulled in 85 million viewers in one week during the election and while that figure is debatable, as we know that Jones is prone to the odd exaggeration or two, his audience does regularly run into the millions and whilst many are probably viewing and listening merely for the spectacle, there are millions taking him seriously.

Add to that the Infowars readers’ comments section, which for years has been exposing millions of his audience to a hotbed of racism and extremist calls for civil war and we might just have a situation that could turn real ugly, real quickly.

Sympathetic Magic

Jones is well aware that his on-screen ranting can have real-world consequences. In the late nineties, Jones gate-crashed the Bohemian Grove ‘Cremation of Care’ ceremony, which has often been attended by politicians, including notably, George W. Bush. He was joined in his escapade by British author and filmmaker Jon Ronson and they both came away with very different impressions of what they thought they witnessed. Ronson thought he had seen a childish, fratboy scenario which he thought rather odd, whilst Jones thought he’d witnessed a child sacrifice. After giving his version of events on his radio show, one of Jones’ listeners turned up at Bohemian Grove, armed with a gun, ready to shoot those he thought were devil worshippers inside.

Pizzagate Apology

More recently, Jones was responsible for popularizing the so-called ‘pizzagate’ conspiracy and once again, someone turned up armed to the restaurant that had been incorrectly implicated and actually fired shots. On this occasion, Jones had to eat a little humble pie and issued a lengthy public apology on his show.

A Civil War for All Age Groups

And it’s not just upstarts like Alex Jones who are getting in on the civil war act. Just to make sure that it isn’t just the younger generations who are getting their taste of reactionary hyperbole, Rush Limbaugh is also engaging in some stochastic terrorism for seniors.

Get Out

So how does the U.S. get out of this situation?

It appears the Trump team knows it won’t survive the Russia probe and is willing to risk all-out civil war in order to survive.

The Hillary campaign made a huge mistake in 2016 by no-platforming Alex Jones and Infowars until far too late in the campaign. Even when they did eventually go on the attack, they used the most obvious examples such as Sandy Hook to try and make Jones look bad but by that point, so many people had engaged Infowars and similar platforms that it needed a nuanced approach to analyze and pick apart the propaganda.

The problem with that is it exposes a lot of people to Jones and his ideas but as that boat had already sailed, it’s too late to worry about Jones popularity and time to do something about it. The other problem is there is a fair amount of truth to some of what Jones says. And those kernels of truth may be uncomfortable for the political elite to swallow but without facing them they will be open wounds that can be used as cover to twist the minds of the unwary. The cracks that let the dark in.

Looks like interesting times in the United States.

Could be a hell of a ride.

Or a ride to hell.

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        Sanxuary 

        9 months ago

        No civil war is going to happen. The number of people who support Trump is getting smaller by the day. At the same time he is destroying the Republican Party and at some point its going to have to decide Trump and Bannon no longer picks who runs for them or split completely. The law of the land and the demand that Democracy elects officials and not the Russians and the criminals who commit treason is going to catch up soon. Most of all the sane people who demand good our going to triumph over this constant instability. We are going to simply get sick of it and those who think they can bring hate are going to find out how far we cann push back.

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        Mr Bueno 

        9 months ago from Cambridge, UK

        Hello, Tim. Your observation that Jones reminds you of a TV evangelist is spot on, I make a similar comparison in one of my articles, the first one I published here about the subject, I think.

        He also uses the techniques of old time carnival barkers and the cold calling used by fraudulent psychics and mediums (are there any non-fraudulent?)

        He has also read very widely on brainwashing and psychological manipulation and he uses that knowledge not only to change peoples attitudes but also to sell his products.

        His worldview works the opposite way to scientists. He thinks he has all the answers to begin with and finds any bit of evidence to prove his bias, even if that evidence contradicts his stance because in his world a denial is as good as proof.

        Heads he wins, tails you lose.

        Emotion and fear are very powerful tools.

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        Mr Bueno 

        9 months ago from Cambridge, UK

        Sharon, as for transparency, I guess you are talking about his honesty with regard to his tax returns? The tax returns he said he would release if he got elected?

        As for his agenda which you say you are happy with, especially with what he has got done so far, you give no specifics at all. I was not a fan of the status quo, however, it does appear that the U.S. has been conned by having their eyes opened to the fact that a lot of the media has been lying to them, and the first person to point this out to them on a mass scale they elected. He knew how easily fooled a lot of you guys are.

        What are your thoughts on the transparency of Trump University?

        Do you think there is a difference between transparency and honesty?

        What is your conclusion of his achievements so far given the predictions of Michel de Nostredame?

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        Tim Truzy 

        9 months ago from U.S.A.

        I was introduced to Alex Jones years and years ago when he was a regular on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell. The man is a superb storyteller: he reminds me of one of those TV evangelist.

        You're right. It's going to get interesting in this country. I've heard the alt-right calling for civil war here lately, but heading off to Alpha Centauri might be a better plan for them. They are weird. But your writing is not, Mr. Bueno. Thanks for an informative and compelling article.

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        Sharon Stajda 

        9 months ago from Shelby Township Michigan

        I am an independent. I voted for Trump for one reason, his common sense agenda. I know it is popular to speculate on theories of why and how he got elected. He offered change, he is not a politician, and one can certainly see he is transparent. I can speak for myself, and many acquaintances that voted for him, it was his agenda , his non-political background, and his transparency.

        I will agree with Trump's surrogates if he is impeached for unjust reasons, there may be a lot of problems occur. You see our opinions count as much as those on the lefts.

        I might also add. So far I am satisfied with the President's progress. It is more than apparent he has had an uphill climb due to not only the public out cry from those that lost, but his own party. Yet it appears much is getting done, and I am very much on board with his agenda.

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        Mr Bueno 

        9 months ago from Cambridge, UK

        Hello again Paula! : ) Glad you are enjoying my writing.

        I agree, Jones is highly annoying, however, he is extremely well versed in brainwashing and manipulation techniques. Most people won't fall for it but obviously enough do to cause enough political turbulence to get a Donald Trump elected. However ridiculous they both are, the reasons for their rise need sober analysis......along with the obvious mockery they also richly deserve!

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        Paula 

        9 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

        Hello Mr. Bueno, You're such an excellent writer. :) When I am so impressed with someone's writing talent, I can and do read most of their work, even if I don't happen to be interested in the topic. So, to be fair, I need to confess I have made a conscientious effort to avoid the vast majority of (political) news reports.

        It's actually just another one of my personal Non-clinical trials. A little game I play with myself to simply study the effect/result (if any) it plays in my life. Basically, although I'm much less informed, there's little pain involved and besides, since the political atmosphere these days is so much like a soap opera, it takes only moments to catch up on what's what!

        I may have said this a few times but I can't help but be completely turned off by Alex Jones. His voice, his appearance and yes, he's really obnoxious. All I know of his antics is what I read written by others because I literally cannot listen to him.

        It seems to me that controversial individuals (liars) like Jones, Stone & Limbaugh do serve a purpose. IMHO, if they say it, I can pretty much know that it's ludicrous nonsense. Saves me time.

        However, once again, in all fairness, I don't believe very much at all that originates from the world of politics, no matter who, what side or what reason. It' quite the same in our personal lives, don't you think? How many times will we allow someone to blatantly LIE to us, before we simply ignore and avoid them?

        "Kernels of truth" do not sway me. For those who are easily taken in and believe the BIG lies within the little truths, I'm certain it's due to the fact that they either WANT to believe it or they're very ignorant candidates for cult-like following. But...these are just my opinions. Have a good evening, Paula

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