The Trump Effect on Swing Voters Like Me

Updated on January 31, 2018
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Shannon is a social worker, counselor, avid traveler, scuba diver, adventurer, and mom.

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I am the very definition of a swing voter and Trump is steering my future votes.

First, let’s give a brief example of what a swing voter looks like. I’m a white, rural, Southern woman from a solidly red state. I am college educated and self-employed. I have 2.5 children and a dog. I’m a lot of things the Republican Party could believe is their “base.” And, at some point in my life, I was. I’m also a divorcee, a Buddhist, a feminist, and strong believer in equal rights for all (absolutely ALL) people. I’m a lot of things the Democratic Party could believe is their “base.” The problem is that I am literally sitting entirely on the fence in a swing and could go either way. I am an economic conservative. I am a social liberal. But, I’m also a small bit of a social conservative as well and a touch of an economic liberal. My beliefs are speckled around the platforms of the two-party system like a Jackson Pollack. All in all, that means that both no one and everyone represents me. (That’s the problem with this terrible two-party system America has locked itself into, but that’s for another article.)

Republicans and I agree, in principle, on issues such as taxation, education, guns, size of government, economics and a bit on security. Democrats and I agree about things such as abortion, immigration, equality, marriage, personal and religious freedom. I don’t really agree with either on energy, healthcare, and somewhat on security. I have my own opinions. I make them based on my own thoughts. It seems like an odd concept to me that anyone would agree, in mass, entirely with every issue in a party’s platform. I believe that most voters are more like me. They have varied opinions and, if they’d allow themselves to admit it, could find things to agree and disagree with in both of the major parties. (If I’m being honest, I am best represented by Libertarians. Somehow our current system has kept third, fourth, fifth (read "outside") parties from having any real standing or exposure. But, again, I guess that’s for another article.)

Replay the visual of me sitting in my swing. I am perpetually deciding which way to face and on which side to land when I have to jump off and cast my vote. This is a precarious position that the two-party system has put me in. Either way, I have to vote against something I believe in. Either way, I’m voting for something I believe in. In the past, I have generally swung in the direction of Republicans because, although I profoundly disagree with them on many social issues, the other issues were more important to me in that current climate. Full disclosure: I have cast my vote for a Libertarian President in the last three presidential elections. If there was no third party candidate for lower seats, I defaulted Right. I’ve never cast my vote for a Democrat.

I sincerely believed that, in general, Christians were guided by the morality of their faith. And the morality of their faith is a good, charitable, loving, accepting, and tolerant morality. Christianity, in itself, isn’t a bad thing and isn’t terribly out of line with my own morality.

Enter Donald Trump

I knew that Republicans considered themselves to be a moral and Christian bunch. I knew that some seem to misinterpret “religious freedom” to mean “Christian freedom” instead of any religion. I did have a problem with this, but I also understood that the majority of Americans were Christian. I accepted this. I knew many Republicans abused this notion by asserting that the Bible should dictate law regarding marriage, sexual freedom, abortion, etc. I heartily disagreed with this, but I had to let it go. You have to give somewhere. I gave there because other things were more important to me personally. I sincerely believed that, in general, Christians were guided by the morality of their faith. And the morality of their faith is a good, charitable, loving, accepting, and tolerant morality. Christianity, in itself, isn’t a bad thing and isn’t terribly out of line with my own morality.

I knew that many people who touted so-called “guns and religion” were really just touting undercover sexism, racism, homophobia, and intolerance. I knew this but sincerely believed that this had become a very, very small minority. I believed that all of these things were slowly being phased out of America. I believed that there were just those few crackpots and that those crackpots were regarded as ignorant by everyone but the other crackpots. I also knew that these “crackpots” were avid Republicans. But I didn’t hold Republicans, themselves, responsible for this. I didn’t buy that many opposed Obama only because he was Black. I believed they opposed him because he held political beliefs that they did not. I didn’t buy that many wouldn’t vote for Clinton just because she was a female. I believed they opposed her because she held political beliefs that they did not. I opposed them both for those reasons. I thought that was reasonable and normal and the very greatness of American democracy.

But something changed with Trump. Something big. Something eye-opening. Something terrifying. Those “crackpots” that I believed were in a tiny minority were suddenly empowered. They felt that they could show themselves in the full light of day. Even ones who were hiding these feelings (rightly, as they understood these beliefs were shameful) came out and sang them proudly. These “crackpots” now included some of my oldest friends, classmates, and even family. These “crackpots” were now being REPRESENTED by a candidate for PRESIDENT.

I was shocked, appalled and f**king angry. I was also wrong and apologetic. I’d had many conversations with women, gay and lesbian men and women, and people of color defending my belief that these people were a tiny minority and that America was moving in the right direction. I’m a bit ashamed now at some of the things I said at the time. When met with protest, I’d sincerely called people fixated or even paranoid. I was wrong. If I haven’t already apologized to you personally, I am sorry. I was wrong. You were not paranoid. You were right.

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I, like millions of others, sobbed when Trump won the election. A divisive, hate-filled, abusive, racist, sexist, intolerant, small-minded, feeble idiot was president. I cried for America. I cried for myself. But, mostly, I cried that there were so many men and women in MY America that were willing to actually cast a vote for this man because of or in spite of all of the things he was. More than I still care to fully conceptualize voted for this man BECAUSE of his racism, sexism, and intolerance. Otherwise moral and intelligent people were willing to put their own values aside and vote for this man DESPITE what was plainly in front of them. It was a demoralizing moment. I became a member of The Resistance that day.

Over the course of his first year in office, Trump had managed to sow as much division and perpetuate as much sexism, racism, and intolerance as was expected. They (now “we”) weren’t paranoid. He also managed to lie over 2000 times, show recklessness in just about everything he did, move eerily forward with dictatorial tendencies, do cartwheels through scandal after scandal and exhaust everyone who was paying any attention at all. He managed to alienate women, minorities, people of every color, the entirety of the Democratic Party, immigrants, and anyone in his own party who disagreed with him on even a tiny, inconsequential issue. He attacked, bullied, name-called, and childishly tantrumed his way through an entire year of presidency. He obstructed and continues to obstruct justice in plain view of the entire world. He managed to destroy, in one short year, relationships with almost every foreign government, ally and enemy alike, in the world. He showed himself incapable of diplomacy. Incapable of coordination. Incapable of “deal-making." Incapable of uniting. Incapable, really, of anything required of him as the President of the United States. Most importantly, he showed himself to be grandly immoral and to stand for almost nothing representative of America.

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The Swing

So, of course, the Republican Party abandoned him. They stood up for the good, charitable, loving, accepting, and tolerant morality of their faith. They stood up as the party of decency. They stood up as the party of freedom and liberty. They stood up against the obvious attempt at tyranny they saw in front of them. They stood up and said, “This man does not represent our ideals, values and morals.” They stood up and said, “We do not agree with these attempts to silence critics by any means necessary.” They definitely stood up and clearly said, ”Extra-marital affairs, sexual assault, objectification of women, blatant racism, intolerance of entire populations, alienation of our allies, bullying, name-calling, tantrum-throwing, divisive language, inciting violence, refusing to denounce white supremacists, and attempting to or actually obstructing justice are not acceptable. Donald Trump does not represent us.” They did this. They did this because it was the right thing to do. They did this because they knew that, even if it meant that they’d have to wait to get their agenda forwarded and have to admit they’d put the wrong candidate in office, it was the right thing to do. They stood up on principle and decency over party.

Wait, they didn’t? They supported him and defended him? Many of them even went so far as to assist him with these things? They didn’t abandon him? Then I guess they will not be surprised to learn why so many are abandoning them.

I’m the very definition of a swing voter. I have always swung Right. But Trump is steering my future votes. Or, more accurately, the Republican Party itself is guiding my future votes, solidly Left.

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    • profile image

      Tim Truzy 

      6 months ago

      I want to state for the record. Obama, Trump, they are first and foremost men, full of flaws.

      Now, when I found out my friend Abwilliams was enduring that terrible hurricane in Florida, I wanted to get on a plane and go help her and all of the people there. My wife, too. Same for Tx, P.R., and all of impacted America.

      We can disagree on men and their politics, but we both love someone greater than either Trump or Obama.

      Abwilliams, you are a true American, and we will always agree on somethings - the things that really matter.

      You are right, the economy is much better.

      God bless you my friend.

      I don't hate your guy, Abwilliams. He does seem questionable many days. He's just a man like other politicians. He acts in a way that gives me pause and concern in how he treats others one day, and then denies it the next.

      I may not like him much, my friend, but I treasure our communications. Just as America was built on people bonding together, respecting differences played a crucial part in building our nation as well. The Founding Fathers disagreed on several topics.

      Likewise, our respect for each other's differences, and remaining willing to listen, plays a part in how our country will progress.

      Both parties have forgotten how to truly compromise, negotiate, or tolerate differences to reach good policies for all of us.

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      A B Williams 

      6 months ago from Central Florida

      Agreed :)

    • shancontented profile imageAUTHOR

      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      I just love how interactive y'all are. :) Agree or disagree, debate is good.

    • abwilliams profile image

      A B Williams 

      6 months ago from Central Florida

      Tim, I've been reading so much garbage and have just had my fill!

      You and I will never see eye to eye when it comes to Obama and Trump.

      I will continue to enjoy this thriving economy which has allowed for us to do so much more for our employees than we were ever able to with Obama.

      We have more money in our pockets and less stifling regulations (in one year's time)

      We can now hopefully begin to work toward our retirement

      .

      A businessman at the helm has proven to be a good thing, not only for us and other small business owner/operators, but for everyone.

      200,000 new jobs added last month alone. Unemployment at 4%.

      I only wish that the haters would stop hating long enough to see that we all are benefiting.

      It's all good!

      Stay well my friend!

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      Tim Truzy 

      6 months ago from U.S.A.

      Oh, yes, A bwilliams. Obama was an apologist. But my ancestry doesn't know Norway (at least, not to my knowledge). Does Trump even understand that Norway is a socialist democratic government? Why would they come here if they are able to contribute to their society and know their government does also?

      What if all of these immigrants came to America from Norway, and reshaped our landscape to resemble Norway?

      Yet, in America, We really don't know who was with who when the lights went out long ago. (I am certain of the Lumbi Native People and African American heritage in my bloodline; that's all I'm certain of. We all on this article could be relatives.)

      The one thing what I really meant about Obama in my post is that he was a reminder that it didn't matter your origin in this country, we could ascend. I liked that. I actually have friends from Panama, Morocco, Egypt, China . .. all started and running businesses legally. They still believe in the American Dream. Yes, Haitia, Nigeria, and Sudan, too. They act more American than many born here. I've heard them tell others, "That's not the way we do business in America, my country." I cheered.

      When Trump calls countries s*holes (at least, so the reporting goes) that's counterproductive to that American ideal.

      When you adopt a confirmed White Nationalist, supremist, such as Bannon in your midst . . . again, serious concerns. When you move the KKK off a hate and terrorist groups of the FBI, serious concerns. When you have your wife angry at you, well, you should be concerned.

      (Trump might be related to all of us the way he throws himself around. Wouldn't that make him shake! What if he has a son/daughter from one of these places he demonized? Not saying he does, but ...) He would want those children to come here, of course.

      So, I've never heard, or even heard implied, that Presidents Obama, Bush or Bush II, R.R., Carter, etc. said such things. (Some confirmed some not from Trump. Some from his own mouth, and he denied.)

      That's all I'll say on the guy.

      I don't want him to fail, I've stated that repeatedly. But if we can recognize his imperfection, that same respect should be extended to others. his family came from what was a s*hole country at one time.

      He married an immigrant. She did well. Now, it's absolutely arrogant to think others can't do the same.

      But his actions and words needs to match his Christian values. Otherwise, what's to be believed?

      If actions don't match words or belief consistently, in a pattern, over an observed period of time- this is a powerful tool used to diagnose the presence of psychological abnormalities.

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      A B Williams 

      6 months ago from Central Florida

      Oh Tim, Tim, Tim!

      Obama actively sought to destroy this great Republic of ours.

      I thank God for Trump! Imperfect yes, but aren't we all?

      Is there any question that he adores this great Country, which provides all of us, all colors, all backgrounds, all Faiths, such wonderful opportunity?

      Which other Country is any greater, please tell me? Is Obama still living within the States....just curious.

      Give me a man that will stay out of our way, as we freely pursue our individual American dream over an apologist like Obama any day!

      God Bless America!

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      Tim Truzy 

      6 months ago from U.S.A.

      Hello,

      You are not the only one who questions our president's mental state. A bunch of us mental health professionals do, and we have a right to do so. It's no more than people questioning Obama's birth, or if George Washington was an alien. Truly, I question anyone who would want to hold that office. (No thanks.)

      This is serious though because this man has his hands on the tools to destroy our democracy.

      Many people forget, his sidekick and former adviser, Steve Bannon once said, "I want to destroy the state." Birds of a feather tend to flock together. Opposites only attract temporarily, then they oppose.

      Keep writing. Great article.

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      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      Crap. Forgot. I live in rural Texas. I don't put my location on my profile because I get about 5-10 hate mail a day and a lot of threats for my article about CPS. I have a need to remain as anonymous as is reasonable. It's a sensitive subject and it really gets people angry, sometimes irrationally.

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      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      Trump's mental health issues actually do affect me personally but I haven't finished that article yet so I'm not going into it here.

      I could also argue that any corruption, obstruction of justice, etc affects every American personally. The idea that government actions do not affect us is a dangerous idea that undermines the very essence of a democracy of, by and for the people.

      Im not offended that my opinions are called emotional rants. Emotion isn't shameful. Emotion isn't unintelligent. Emotion isn't separate from opinion. The fact that I do react with emotion to Trump doesn't change anything about the points I've made or the case I set forth. Passion doesn't change facts, but it certainly drives opinions, and votes.

      It bothers me a lot more that Brad basically asserts that I'm a drone or a liar who is misrepresenting myself for some grand conspiracy to boost a political party. THAT is pretty offensive. But, in reality, the fact that he feels he needs to discredit me means I'm saying something in an intelligent enough way that threaten his own opinions. (That's emotion, btw). I'll take it as a compliment. But, for me, the whole assertion I'm an undercover Democrat who is pretending to be someone else equates about to the "Soros pays all the protesters" crap. It's ridiculous. I, at least, recognize that people who support Trump are who they say they are. I don't agree with them, but I don't assume they're liars because I disagree. I assume they're ill informed and not paying attention

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      JOC 

      6 months ago from Syracuse, NY

      Shan, I love it when he uses words he's created like demoganda and demogandist, really helps sell his case.

      Brad, I'd debate with you if I thought you'd have an open mind about things. But you've been sold on the propaganda of the current administration. Your clinging to the Uranium One conspiracy theory is one example of that. Your denial of the thousands of lies told by this president and his administration as issues of credibility to the average American is just one other.

      Your manifestos, i.e. posts, come off as attacks and blathering to gain attention rather than successful attempts to sway opinion. Calling something a person feels an emotional rant is pretty insulting, just fyi.

      The writer feels one way because of things she has seen or heard, but you just seriously tried to claim that cannot be true because Trump's lies or mental state didn't directly affect her. Did you really just try and convince her that she's not supposed to feel a certain way based on things she's evaluated with her own intelligence? That's a pretty arrogant statement if I must say so.

      This is what I mean when I say you've gone down the rabbit hole. You think things are only one way and there's no room for alternative views. I resemble this to those who try and sell you on their own religion being the ideal religion. Your faith in what you think you know leaves little room for dissenting opinions. But, instead of thumping the bible, you're thumping right-wing propaganda to us.

      An example here is that your argument in Trump's obstruction of justice was that Hillary wasn't investigated properly for her e-mails. How does that absolve Trump from his wrongdoing exactly? Classic whataboutism (a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda). Many of us would be fine if someone non-partisan like Mueller were to also dig deeper in Hillary, but that doesn't give Trump a free pass.

      The one common ground I have found with you though is that the two-party system is causing many issues within our current governing. I was at least happy to see that we agree on one thing.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      6 months ago from Orange County California

      JOC 13 hours ago from Syracuse, NY

      There's a reason why I just delete his comments. He's a true believer and it's not worth the breath to try and make him see any side but his.

      B:

      There you go again serving red herrings, instead of answering, or trying to counter my arguments. The reason that you delete my comments is because you have nothing to argue.

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      shancontented from Someplace, Somewhere

      As promised, you aren't' getting another long response. LOL.

      I'm not going to spend hours here giving you examples of things that really are glaringly obvious (at least to me).

      B:

      Like JOC, you have nothing, and it parrots the democrat speak from their playbook.

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      You keep talking to me in partisan speak. You can believe that I'm a "closet" democrat. It really doesn't change anything about what my political affiliation (or lack thereof) is. I've already said I fall mostly into Libertarian. I probably just sound like someone who hates Donald Trump. That's because I am. Democrats do too. So I guess I do sound like one. But lots of Libertarians do as well. And a few Republicans. So... Also, I don't know that it'd be somehow shameful to be a Democrat (or a Republican). I don't think I'd need to be hiding from it.

      B:

      What you claim and what you do are opposite. One can argue that you posted this shill article to make people think how Donald Trump pushed you off the fence to the left. But, it is clear from your writing that from your democrat closet, y0u can't even see the fence.

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      So: Here's my not long responses:

      Do you really think Trump isn't partisan? You kind of implied that he was something altogether different. That's bananas. I don't think he IS a conservative, to be honest, but he's certainly playing the role of one and being as much of a partisan as anyone.

      B:

      The democrats don't like, and many of the republicans don't like him so that does make him something different, and something better. Because both parties have been doing the same thing for at least one hundred years. Neither party cares about the people of the country, they only want to carry out the goal of their party, and that is totally different than working for the people. And it was the people and not the republican party that elected him. And what he has accomplished so far is for the people.

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      You asked who cares. I do, for one.

      The impact of his lies (big or small) are a lack of credibility. This problem affects everything from regular American's trust in him to his own government's faith in his word to problems with diplomacy. It has a huge impact.

      B:

      That is vague and ambiguous, how does it affect you directly and adversely? He has kept his word through his accomplishments.

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      It also, for me personally, raises massive concerns about his mental health. But I'm sure you've heard that ad nauseum and frankly, I feel like I'd just be wasting my time laying that argument out for you. I won't convince you. You'll say I'm Demogandaing or whatever. But, then again, you say that about everything so what's the point in responding to much of anything else. We aren't going to convince each other. :D

      B:

      You are correct the mental health of Donald Trump is Demoganda, and only a true blue democrat would even make that baseless accusation. Again, How did this alleged mental issue affect you personally, and directly?

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      B:

      Look back at your comments and tell me how you differ from the Demgandists of the democrat party. You are not even proud to represent where you live, and where is somewhere, someplace?

      Again, your article is about as truthful as the fake Russian Dossier. And how could you not question the sanity of Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Adam Schiff, and Chuck Schumer.

      And you can't tell me, what the democrats have accomplished in the last nine years. Or what is their platform and who they are representing in congress.

      What specifically have they done for the benefit of the country and the people since Donald Trump was duly elected president, by the only way it could be done. That is the EC vote of greater than 270, and his 304 to HRC 231 is a FACT. And even then the democrats tried to coerce the EC into changing their vote, but only a few did.

      JOC is a lightweight Demogandist, as he attacks the person rather than their arguments.

      You started out OK, but ran out of facts, and I then had to comment on how your arguments were not independent views, but a clone of the democrat speak playbook.

      BTW, I didn't personally attack you, not that you said anything, but just to keep the record straight. And that is why I always try to take someone's article and their comments and copy them. So that I don't make any mistake in what they actually say.

      Again, when I say you are a closet democrat, it is based on what you have said. And so many of those statements are the same as used by the left biased mainstream news media, as well as those deep seated democrats here on hp.

      My purpose in writing articles and commenting are to get an opposite view, and then challenge it to see if it makes sense. If it did make sense, then I would question my view, and maybe even change it.

      I am neither a democrat, republican, liberal, or even an independent. I find more irritating things from the left because they want to change society to where we are all the same. That is not a good thing if you are an individual. Government is neither equipped or has been successful in dealing with social issues. Look at how the Abortion Pro Life Roe v Wade case gets a major issue every presidential campaign and yet nothing has changed the law.

      The republicans stay out of the social, and they are irritating lately with their wars, and this year in not giving a unified republican message.

      I have said many times, that the root of the problems in the US are in large part from the loyal party voters. It is the party that gives their voters the limited selection of candidates. And when their candidate get elected to office, they don't seem to object when that candidate forgets their campaign promises. Term limits should be based on voters not reelecting the incompetent, the non performing and the Nesters. But, after one hundred years, and many in congress dying at an old age, it is clear that term limits are necessary. Because the loyal party voter is addicted to keeping their party in office.

      Independents are not much better, because they weren't a part of the candidate selection process. Their own independent party candidates may resonate with them, but not with the rest of the country. So at the end of the election, the independent are left with two choices for their vote. They merely tip the scale for the party that loaded it in the first place. Yes, the swing vote actually elects the winner in most cases, but that really takes the 100 million plus total voters, and make it about less than a million voters outvoting the other 99 million voters.

      Thanks for your hospitality. And like family and fish, my three days are up.

      Have a great day.

      Brad

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      Sanxuary 

      6 months ago

      For me it has never been about party. I am still waiting for proof that anyone in Washington gives a lick about anyone who earns less then 100, 000 dollars. Below that level it never seems to matter what you earn it remains the same.If you are one of those people then you are still waiting for the right party to come along. The Republicans sold out to the very rich in the last tax hike they just passed and health care will soon go up as they try everything to destroy it. Trump at this point is clearly obstructing justice and if he is so innocent then why is he trying so hard to stop it?

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      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      Lol. It depends on my mood. :)

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      JOC 

      6 months ago from Syracuse, NY

      There's a reason why I just delete his comments. He's a true believer and it's not worth the breath to try and make him see any side but his.

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      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      As promised, you aren't' getting another long response. LOL.

      I'm not going to spend hours here giving you examples of things that really are glaringly obvious (at least to me).

      You keep talking to me in partisan speak. You can believe that I'm a "closet" democrat. It really doesn't change anything about what my political affiliation (or lack thereof) is. I've already said I fall mostly into Libertarian. I probably just sound like someone who hates Donald Trump. That's because I am. Democrats do too. So I guess I do sound like one. But lots of Libertarians do as well. And a few Republicans. So... Also, I don't know that it'd be somehow shameful to be a Democrat (or a Republican). I don't think I'd need to be hiding from it.

      So: Here's my not long responses:

      Do you really think Trump isn't partisan? You kind of implied that he was something altogether different. That's bananas. I don't think he IS a conservative, to be honest, but he's certainly playing the role of one and being as much of a partisan as anyone.

      You asked who cares. I do, for one.

      The impact of his lies (big or small) are a lack of credibility. This problem affects everything from regular American's trust in him to his own government's faith in his word to problems with diplomacy. It has a huge impact.

      It also, for me personally, raises massive concerns about his mental health. But I'm sure you've heard that ad nauseum and frankly, I feel like I'd just be wasting my time laying that argument out for you. I won't convince you. You'll say I'm Demogandaing or whatever. But, then again, you say that about everything so what's the point in responding to much of anything else. We aren't going to convince each other. :D

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      6 months ago from Orange County California

      Joy

      “The republican and democrat parties don't stand for anything but totally opposing each others goals. This is why the country has declined since the 70s, and why the economy hit bottom in 2008 while both parties were campaigning 2 years for the presidency, and seats in congress.”

      I kind of agree with you on this. I have a big problem with the 2 party system. This is one of the reasons. Middle ground is very difficult to achieve on almost any issue.

      B:

      The middle ground as the two party system exists only means you have to agree with one party or the other, and neither party has the solution.

      A strong independent party is needed to make a difference. They can then force a beneficial compromise by both parties.

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      They didn't like president Trump because he was representing the people, all the people. Especially those that got him elected.

      Trump DOES NOT represent ALL of the people. That assertion certainly makes me emotional. He does, certainly, represent some of the people who got him elected. He does not represent all of them. And more to the point, he’s so divisive, reckless, and impulsive that he cannot accomplish most of what he is attempting to accomplish anyway. Those who voted for him in hopes that he would “strike deals” should be very upset with his inability to actually do this. Name-calling, bullying, and being childish doesn’t accomplish much. Nor does making a deal then reeling it back because (OOPS) it was against your “people who got you elected.” UGH. I won’t give you another emotional rant to be annoyed with.

      B:

      Another emotional not factual rant. By definition he is the president of the United States, and if you think he doesn't represent you, than who does?

      At his SOTU speech he continually used the WE, and he got no positive response from any of the democrats. You are going to give the Democrat speak here, and you know that the democrats have done nothing beneficial for the country and its people. The democrats chose the shutdown the government on the budget, using a non budget item DACA. They didn't care about the impact of the country or its people, they were champions not of our country and our people, but Illegal Aliens.

      And that is because they want them to vote, because they know they will vote democrat. And how do we know how many of them already have voted in our elections, because the democrats won't agree to valid photo id.

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      If you’re asking me to “google” something about the SOTU, intelligent discourse has ended. I watched the SOTU and listened to him myself. I make up my own mind. As far as the government shutdown, Trump agreed to something, changed his mind, agreed to something else, changed his mind, etc. Were you paying attention? Even Republicans were frustrated by this. It’s everyone’s fault when the government shuts down, Republicans, Democrats and Trump were all at fault. I think it’s childish of all of them. It goes back to the one thing we almost agree on… that the parties do little but oppose each other.

      B:

      There was no need for the shutdown, especially not for DACA which was and is not part of the budget negotiations.

      And president Trump agreed to one million more of them then they requested, but that wasn't good enough for them.

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      I support the Republican’s tax plan. I support the Republican’s repeal of the Obama mandate. I support some of what has been accomplished by Republicans during this administration. I do not support Donald Trump.

      B:

      Why? Using facts and examples.

      ----------------------------

      A. It is legislation that I agree with. I support that accomplishment. I give credit for this accomplishment.

      B. The economy is in better shape. I agree with that as well. I do not know if that will last, but generally, I think this is an accomplishment that I credit.

      C. Any Republican President could have accomplished this and more. They could have likely accomplished it more easily and without (insert my entire part of my article about what Trump is and has done here).

      B:

      Who would have been that republican. I took your entire Article and already commented on it.

      ---------------------------

      This does not change who Donald Trump is and the things he is doing. And I’ve made my feelings pretty clear on who and what I believe that is.

      B:

      Yes and your feeling betray your claim that you are on the fence.

      Who is Donald Trump to you, and what examples do you have?

      ----------

      If you really believe that the Democrats didn’t accomplish anything in the last 8 years, then why are you so against them and determined to undo what they “didn’t” do? I think they accomplished a lot. Some of that is things I don’t agree with (Obamacare is a big one I don’t support). Some of which I think moved this country forward.

      B:

      What are these accomplishments?

      Fast and Furious

      Sanctuary Cities for convicted Illegal Alien felons.

      Libya

      Benghazi

      Syria

      ISIL

      North Korea

      Iran

      In 2013 they increased the medical deduction threshold from 7.5% to 10%, and yet Trump and the republicans didn't lower it. But it is ironic that the Affordable care act, made the government disallow more medical expenses.

      ------------------------

      But, again, I also think that Republicans accomplished a lot prior to that and have accomplished some things in the past year. Some of which I think moves this country forward. And some of which I don’t agree with.

      B:----

      The republicans haven't done any better than the democrats. They just damage the other ends of the stick.

      I am disappointed in the Tax Plan because it retains the unequal distribution of wealth through the Internal Revenue Code of the US Income Tax. A national sales tax like those in most states would be fair. The rich didn't pay anymore no matter how high the marginal tax rate went because they could go to Internal Revenue Code and get a get out of tax free card.

      Since 2008 when most of the middle class lost most of their 401K savings, and many lost not only their jobs, they lost their homes.

      Both parties bailed out the people that broke the economy but didn't do anything for the victims.

      Both parties spent $1.5 trillion dollars on what.

      We now have once again, 540 US billionaires, and 10.8 million millionaires. How well did the democrat and the republican tax plans in the last 16 years work out. Unequal distribution of wealth. A sales tax is equal and fair. You don't pay any taxes until you spend your money. So the average person buys a high priced item, like a $40000 car, and they pay say 10% in federal sales tax, that is $4,000. While a rich person may buy a $120,000 car, and they pay $12000 dollars. That is $8000 more than the average person. The money goes directly into the Treasury, and the buyer doesn't have to pay someone to do their taxes. The IRS can then be shrunk to a minimum.

      BTW, when you watched the SOTU, when did you see all of these problems that you say about Trump?

      I took the time on your article, and unless it was a praise piece where you expected accolades, I don't think it is a real problem to argue your points.

      :)

      And so goes the pendulum. And my problem with a 2 party system. Like I said, everyone and no one represents me.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      bradmasterOCcal 

      6 months ago from Orange County California

      Trump certainly does make me emotional. I certainly do respond to him with emotion. This is nothing compared to some of my “emotional rants.” Emotion isn’t a bad word.

      B:

      Emotion is the correct word, because there are no real facts or examples. They are from the Demoganda book of Democrat speak.

      That is one of the reasons why I say you are not on a fence.

      ------------------------------

      As far as the things I’ve said about Trump, they are all based on observations I’ve made of things Donald Trump said (and tweeted) from his own mouth. You need not look farther than the man himself to know what his views are. If you don’t believe that Donald Trump is divisive, you simply aren’t paying attention. I don’t know how to say anything to remedy that. If you don’t believe that he’s sexist, racist, intolerant, hate-filled, etc, then you have some serious blinders on. He makes it clear.

      B:

      You might try using some facts to support these wild claims.

      What has he done as president that justifies your name calling?

      This is again not the speak of someone on the fence.

      ---------------------------------

      You do, though, have to sift through his plethora of lies and denials of things he’s just said plainly. Again, this is easily observable. He does it in plain view. The fact that so many say it doesn’t happen makes me “emotional” as well. It’s scary that anyone would actually say that he does not lie on a regular basis. The only way to say this is to literally not be paying any attention at all. He does lie about petty thing. He also lies about very big things.

      B:

      What are these big lies and how do they affect you, or the country?

      What examples do you have with him as president?

      These are not lies, and they are not really important. Who cares about this minutia?

      --------------------------------

      He lies about almost everything. Fact checking him is exhausting. I see why some don’t do it. Unfortunately, it’s constantly necessary. But, even if you don’t want to do that work, you can just observe his statements that directly contradict each other within minutes or hours or days. People who say he doesn’t lie are terrifying.

      B:

      What is the end result of this fact checking on minutia?

      At the end of the day, what difference does it make?

      Unlike when Obama lied about keeping your insurance plan, and your doctors. That had a major impact on a lot of people, that relied on both of them.

      ---------------------------------

      You seriously don’t believe that Donald Trump is reckless and impulsive? Are you joking? Just see above and replace “lies” with “recklessness”. Easily observable, blinders, blah blah blah.

      B:

      Again democrat speak. What is the impact or result of these so called recklessness. Who cares?

      ----------------------------

      Only someone ignorant of history and human behavior would believe that Donald Trump does not display dictatorial tendencies. Sadly, many people are ignorant of both. You must be one of them. It’s terrifying.

      I didn’t vote for or support Obama or Hillary. I don’t see any reason to respond to anything that relates to them as Obama is no longer President and Hillary lost the election and is a private citizen. I simply don’t see any relevance to the current situation.

      B:

      It is relevant because without them there is no reference to make any comparison for Trump. All your opinions and name calling suggest that someone else was a better president, and Trump doesn't act their way, so he is reckless.

      Doesn't make any sense.

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      Donald Trump is obstructing justice in plain view of the entire world. I said it. I meant it. And it’s true. I didn’t say it because someone told me that. I said it because I can see it myself. You saying there is no evidence is insane. You need only to watch him do it in front of you. But I’m not a lawyer, a prosecutor, or a judge. I’ll let them do their jobs. It’s not my job to lay out the case. That will happen.

      B:

      More from the democrat red herring playbook.

      Trump is being investigated because of HRC paying for a bogus Russian Dossier. What is the crime that Trump is obstructing.

      You say this and you think you are on the fence, really!

      ---------------------------------

      I have friends all over the world. I assure you that the world not only doesn’t like him, but they do not respect him. And, in their defense, I don’t find him respectable either so I completely understand their views. There is actual, palatable disdain for him by world leaders that they no longer even try to hide. Are you even paying attention?

      B:

      These are probably the same kind of democrat friends that you have here. The chaos around the world doesn't justify them bashing Trump. And I don't see anything but respect for Trump.

      Can you give any specifics?

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    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      bradmasterOCcal 

      6 months ago from Orange County California

      *I spent way too long responding to this! LOL. You're probably the only person I'll give a long response like this to. :) *

      Closet democrat: shill: Interesting. Well, I said what I am pretty clearly. No need to restate it.

      I feel like with your response asking me about the different views on subjects, you either A. Are trying to imply that I don’t know what the party platforms are or B. really don’t know what the party platforms are.

      B:

      I am not implying anything, I said it directly, your talk is democrat, while you claim to be on the fence, you spew out the Demoganda.

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      Either way, you can find information regarding every party’s platform pretty easily by looking at them on their webpages. They provide them in detail. I’m sure you probably already know that, though. If not, you should probably go check those out. It’s always best to know what you’re voting for.

      B:---

      I don't really care about party as both parties have put the US in decline. I vote not on party but on person. The goals of both parties are diametrically opposite and that is why we don't move forward. Not until Trump came along.

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      I’m fine with convicting felons and deporting them if they are, in fact, dangerous criminals. Merit-based immigration is a slippery slope and does not quite align with the American notion of “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.” In my opinion, this goes against the very foundation of America. Who defines “merit”? That’s a dangerous and callous notion. Does someone with a culinary degree have “merit”? Does someone who has worked in agriculture their entire lives have “merit”? How about a mother? Does she have “merit” Because many of our Southern neighbors do just that and that work is valuable to our country and our communities, but would it pass as “merit”? There’s a lot to explore there. Last, I hardly need to respond to your question about vetting immigrants as you surely know that all immigrants are thoroughly vetted and the process is painfully long and difficult as it is.

      B:

      The answer is simple, people that are not a burden, and can contribute to America, and don't want America to be a surrogate country for them.

      When the Europeans came into the US in the late 1800s and early 1900s they went through Ellis Island, and when they were accepted into America, they were given nothing from the government. They huddled together in their own ethnic community.

      That is not what we have today.

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      “This is nothing more that a Democrat, Demoganda emotional rant with no Evidence to substantiate. This is where we see you in the democrat closet, and not on your imaginary swing.”

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      Tim Truzy 

      6 months ago from U.S.A.

      Excellent. Where social work --> meets --> rehabilitation counseling --> meets politics.

    • shancontented profile imageAUTHOR

      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      Oh! Also, thank you for taking the time to read my article and respond. I do, sincerely, appreciate it! :)

    • shancontented profile imageAUTHOR

      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      *I spent way too long responding to this! LOL. You're probably the only person I'll give a long response like this to. :) *

      Closet democrat: shill: Interesting. Well, I said what I am pretty clearly. No need to restate it.

      I feel like with your response asking me about the different views on subjects, you either A. Are trying to imply that I don’t know what the party platforms are or B. really don’t know what the party platforms are.

      Either way, you can find information regarding every party’s platform pretty easily by looking at them on their webpages. They provide them in detail. I’m sure you probably already know that, though. If not, you should probably go check those out. It’s always best to know what you’re voting for.

      I’m fine with convicting felons and deporting them if they are, in fact, dangerous criminals. Merit-based immigration is a slippery slope and does not quite align with the American notion of “give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses.” In my opinion, this goes against the very foundation of America. Who defines “merit”? That’s a dangerous and callous notion. Does someone with a culinary degree have “merit”? Does someone who has worked in agriculture their entire lives have “merit”? How about a mother? Does she have “merit” Because many of our Southern neighbors do just that and that work is valuable to our country and our communities, but would it pass as “merit”? There’s a lot to explore there. Last, I hardly need to respond to your question about vetting immigrants as you surely know that all immigrants are thoroughly vetted and the process is painfully long and difficult as it is.

      “This is nothing more that a Democrat, Demoganda emotional rant with no Evidence to substantiate. This is where we see you in the democrat closet, and not on your imaginary swing.”

      Trump certainly does make me emotional. I certainly do respond to him with emotion. This is nothing compared to some of my “emotional rants.” Emotion isn’t a bad word. As far as the things I’ve said about Trump, they are all based on observations I’ve made of things Donald Trump said (and tweeted) from his own mouth. You need not look farther than the man himself to know what his views are. If you don’t believe that Donald Trump is divisive, you simply aren’t paying attention. I don’t know how to say anything to remedy that. If you don’t believe that he’s sexist, racist, intolerant, hate-filled, etc, then you have some serious blinders on. He makes it clear.

      You do, though, have to sift through his plethora of lies and denials of things he’s just said plainly. Again, this is easily observable. He does it in plain view. The fact that so many say it doesn’t happen makes me “emotional” as well. It’s scary that anyone would actually say that he does not lie on a regular basis. The only way to say this is to literally not be paying any attention at all. He does lie about petty thing. He also lies about very big things. He lies about almost everything. Fact checking him is exhausting. I see why some don’t do it. Unfortunately, it’s constantly necessary. But, even if you don’t want to do that work, you can just observe his statements that directly contradict each other within minutes or hours or days. People who say he doesn’t lie are terrifying.

      You seriously don’t believe that Donald Trump is reckless and impulsive? Are you joking? Just see above and replace “lies” with “recklessness”. Easily observable, blinders, blah blah blah.

      Only someone ignorant of history and human behavior would believe that Donald Trump does not display dictatorial tendencies. Sadly, many people are ignorant of both. You must be one of them. It’s terrifying.

      I didn’t vote for or support Obama or Hillary. I don’t see any reason to respond to anything that relates to them as Obama is no longer President and Hillary lost the election and is a private citizen. I simply don’t see any relevance to the current situation.

      Donald Trump is obstructing justice in plain view of the entire world. I said it. I meant it. And it’s true. I didn’t say it because someone told me that. I said it because I can see it myself. You saying there is no evidence is insane. You need only to watch him do it in front of you. But I’m not a lawyer, a prosecutor, or a judge. I’ll let them do their jobs. It’s not my job to lay out the case. That will happen.

      I have friends all over the world. I assure you that the world not only doesn’t like him, but they do not respect him. And, in their defense, I don’t find him respectable either so I completely understand their views. There is actual, palatable disdain for him by world leaders that they no longer even try to hide. Are you even paying attention?

      “The republican and democrat parties don't stand for anything but totally opposing each others goals. This is why the country has declined since the 70s, and why the economy hit bottom in 2008 while both parties were campaigning 2 years for the presidency, and seats in congress.”

      I kind of agree with you on this. I have a big problem with the 2 party system. This is one of the reasons. Middle ground is very difficult to achieve on almost any issue.

      They didn't like president Trump because he was representing the people, all the people. Especially those that got him elected.

      Trump DOES NOT represent ALL of the people. That assertion certainly makes me emotional. He does, certainly, represent some of the people who got him elected. He does not represent all of them. And more to the point, he’s so divisive, reckless, and impulsive that he cannot accomplish most of what he is attempting to accomplish anyway. Those who voted for him in hopes that he would “strike deals” should be very upset with his inability to actually do this. Name-calling, bullying, and being childish doesn’t accomplish much. Nor does making a deal then reeling it back because (OOPS) it was against your “people who got you elected.” UGH. I won’t give you another emotional rant to be annoyed with.

      If you’re asking me to “google” something about the SOTU, intelligent discourse has ended. I watched the SOTU and listened to him myself. I make up my own mind. As far as the government shutdown, Trump agreed to something, changed his mind, agreed to something else, changed his mind, etc. Were you paying attention? Even Republicans were frustrated by this. It’s everyone’s fault when the government shuts down, Republicans, Democrats and Trump were all at fault. I think it’s childish of all of them. It goes back to the one thing we almost agree on… that the parties do little but oppose each other.

      I support the Republican’s tax plan. I support the Republican’s repeal of the Obama mandate. I support some of what has been accomplished by Republicans during this administration. I do not support Donald Trump.

      A. It is legislation that I agree with. I support that accomplishment. I give credit for this accomplishment.

      B. The economy is in better shape. I agree with that as well. I do not know if that will last, but generally, I think this is an accomplishment that I credit.

      C. Any Republican President could have accomplished this and more. They could have likely accomplished it more easily and without (insert my entire part of my article about what Trump is and has done here).

      This does not change who Donald Trump is and the things he is doing. And I’ve made my feelings pretty clear on who and what I believe that is.

      If you really believe that the Democrats didn’t accomplish anything in the last 8 years, then why are you so against them and determined to undo what they “didn’t” do? I think they accomplished a lot. Some of that is things I don’t agree with (Obamacare is a big one I don’t support). Some of which I think moved this country forward.

      But, again, I also think that Republicans accomplished a lot prior to that and have accomplished some things in the past year. Some of which I think moves this country forward. And some of which I don’t agree with.

      And so goes the pendulum. And my problem with a 2 party system. Like I said, everyone and no one represents me.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      bradmasterOCcal 

      6 months ago from Orange County California

      JOY

      So, of course, the Republican Party abandoned him. They stood up for the good, charitable, loving, accepting, and tolerant morality of their faith. They stood up as the party of decency. They stood up as the party of freedom and liberty. They stood up against the obvious attempt at tyranny they saw in front of them. They stood up and said, “This man does not represent our ideals, values and morals.” They stood up and said, “We do not agree with these attempts to silence critics by any means necessary.”

      B:

      The republican and democrat parties don't stand for anything but totally opposing each others goals. This is why the country has declined since the 70s, and why the economy hit bottom in 2008 while both parties were campaigning 2 years for the presidency, and seats in congress. Neither one of the parties saw it coming, and both parties failed to help the victims of the economy. They were the people who were stuck with the bad loans, and lost their homes. The economy also lost them their jobs, and most of their 401k nest eggs.

      Both parties did however, bail out the companies that caused the economy to crash. And they allowed the executives of these companies that were going bankrupt, to use the bail money to give themselves 7 figure bonuses as key employees. Key employees that just bankrupted their companies. ----------------------------

      They definitely stood up and clearly said, ”Extra-marital affairs, sexual assault, objectification of women, blatant racism, intolerance of entire populations, alienation of our allies, bullying, name-calling, tantrum-throwing, divisive language, inciting violence, refusing to denounce white supremacists, and attempting to or actually obstructing justice are not acceptable. Donald Trump does not represent us.” They did this. They did this because it was the right thing to do. They did this because they knew that, even if it meant that they’d have to wait to get their agenda forwarded and have to admit they’d put the wrong candidate in office, it was the right thing to do. They stood up on principle and decency over party.

      B:

      Wow, another Demoganda rant with emotion and nothing else to support it.

      Are you kidding, neither party has ever shown these qualities.

      They didn't like president Trump because he was representing the people, all the people. Especially those that got him elected. Without him, the republicans wouldn't have won any of their seats in congress. The republicans also didn't like president Trump because he would upset their SOP that has resulted in failed objectives, and congressional gridlocks over the last 100 years.

      SWING???

      ---------------------------

      Wait, they didn’t? They supported him and defended him? Many of them even went so far as to assist him with these things? They didn’t abandon him? Then I guess they will not be surprised to learn why so many are abandoning them.

      B:

      They did both, and still do both, but that didn't stop president Trump from accomplishing a lot during his first year. Google it from his SOTU speech. It is a fact that not only didn't the democrats doing anything but resist Trump even taking shutting the government down on the budget over a non budget item. Democrats in congress boasted that they will resist president Trump in everything he does, and they wanted their voters to do the same. And this became a fact, but even that couldn't stop president Trump for succeeding.

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      I’m the very definition of a swing voter. I have always swung Right. But Trump is steering my future votes. Or, more accurately, the Republican Party itself is guiding my future votes, solidly Left.

      B:

      After reading and commenting on this article, you are the very definition of the far left democrats, throwing red herrings to distract because you have no facts or evidence to support them.

      I don't know what is your country, but it doesn't appear to be the US. If it were, then you would try to do everything the America Way. Which is to not attack the president with Demoganda, and wait until the next election to make your voice from the closet or the swing, but use a voting booth.

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      del if u wish but it won't make fact out of demoganda.

      BTW president Trump included you in the WE, but you are determined to be the they. Like the ones at SOTU that looked like they were in a funeral, even when good things for the US were being reported. They even attacked the word family, low black unemployment and others.

      What is the draw you claim from the left. They haven't accomplished anything beneficial in the last 9 years. What do they stand for, and have actually accomplished.

      It seems to me, that democrats are synonymous with Illegal Aliens, and not their American and Legal immigrant voters. What have they done to help Americans, America, and legal immigrants.

      I can't think of anything?

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      6 months ago from Orange County California

      JOY

      B:

      After reading this article, you come off more like a closet democrat, a shill for the democrat voters.

      --------------------------------

      Democrats and I agree about things such as abortion, immigration, equality, marriage, personal and religious freedom.

      B:

      What exactly are the democrat views on these issues? Compared to republican views, and president Donald Trump's views?

      For example, what is your problem with deporting Convicted Illegal Alien Felons? What is your problem in having a Merit Based Immigration System. What is your problem with Vetting immigrants of any kind?

      -------------------------

      I don’t really agree with either on energy, healthcare, and somewhat on security.

      B:

      What is the Blue, Red and Trump's view on these issues.

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      I, like millions of others, sobbed when Trump won the election.

      A divisive, hate-filled, abusive, racist, sexist, intolerant, small-minded, feeble idiot was president. I cried for America. I cried for myself. But, mostly, I cried that there were so many men and women in MY America that were willing to actually cast a vote for this man because of or in spite of all of the things he was. More than I still care to fully conceptualize voted for this man BECAUSE of his racism, sexism, and intolerance. Otherwise moral and intelligent people were willing to put their own values aside and vote for this man DESPITE what was plainly in front of them. It was a demoralizing moment. I became a member of The Resistance that day.

      B:

      This is nothing more that a Democrat, Demoganda emotional rant with no Evidence to substantiate. This is where we see you in the democrat closet, and not on your imaginary swing.

      -----------------------------------

      Over the course of his first year in office, Trump had managed to sow as much division and perpetuate as much sexism, racism, and intolerance as was expected. They (now “we”) weren’t paranoid.

      B:

      It is the democrat party that divided the country using alleged Racism, and choosing Illegal Aliens over America and Americans, as well as legal immigrants.

      There again is no Evidence to substantiated this emotional rant.

      ---------------------------

      He also managed to lie over 2000 times,

      B:

      The 1950 alleged lies in 347 days, I wrote an article on it, so I won't anything here but that was really petty to even call most of them lies.

      A lie is like when president Obama said, If you like your health plan, you can keep it, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. This was not a petty lie, as it adversely affected those that lost their favored healthcare plan, and lost their doctor. Doctors are not interchangeable, when you find a doctor that you trust and has helped you, you don't want to lose them. They are hard to replace, and they may not be in the healthcare plan that is available to your.

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      show recklessness in just about everything he did,

      B;

      This is just Demoganda, Democrat Propaganda.

      First it is meaningless, because it doesn't have any references.

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      move eerily forward with dictatorial tendencies,

      B:

      What dictatorial, he has had to fight not only against the democrats, but even some of the republicans. Where did you get dictatorial?

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      do cartwheels through scandal after scandal and exhaust everyone who was paying any attention at all.

      B:

      What does this even mean. I know of no scandal that had any basis in fact, or was supported by evidence. These were democrat created resistance.

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      He managed to alienate women, minorities, people of every color, the entirety of the Democratic Party, immigrants, and anyone in his own party who disagreed with him on even a tiny, inconsequential issue.

      B:

      Another democrat mantra, set in motion by the losing democrats including HRC. Do you have any meat with those potatoes?

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      He attacked, bullied, name-called, and childishly tantrumed his way through an entire year of presidency.

      B:

      And what were the democrats and HRC doing this first year. They did nothing to hep the country or the people. Some of the democrat politicians even talked about taking him out, like assassinate. And all the left biased celebrities making death threats and other un American displays. Like Robert Deniro, Kathy Griffin, and the rest of the HW people.

      How far into the democrat closet are you, when you say these things. I bet you can't even see a swing you are so far democrat.

      ------------------------------

      He obstructed and continues to obstruct justice in plain view of the entire world.

      B:

      It was the democrats that obstructed justice, exonerating HRC before she was even interviewed. She was not interviewed under oath, and there is no record of that interview. AG Loretta Lynch met secretly with Bill Clinton, a few days before Comey said she was extremely careless with classified material, but there no criminal intent. Gross Negligence doesn't require intent, and there is no difference between extremely careless and gross negligence. And HRC lied when she said she never had any classified emails on her private and unsecured server.

      She obstructed justice, but was never indicted when while under subpoena duces tecum for her servers. She not only deleted 33,000 emails, but she had the server scrubbed clean using bleachbit. Then she had the drives physically trashed, along with her cell phones.

      That is a classic case of Obstruction of Justice. Where is such evidence of Obstruction about Trump?

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      He managed to destroy, in one short year, relationships with almost every foreign government, ally and enemy alike, in the world. He showed himself incapable of diplomacy. Incapable of coordination. Incapable of “deal-making." Incapable of uniting. Incapable, really, of anything required of him as the President of the United States. Most importantly, he showed himself to be grandly immoral and to stand for almost nothing representative of America.

      b:

      Besides the democrats, and their left controlled news media, who says that. Many countries may not like him, but they respect him as president.

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      The Swing

      So, of course, the Republican Party abandoned him. They stood up for the good, charitable, loving, accepting, and tolerant morality of their faith. They stood up as the party of decency. They stood up as the party of freedom and liberty. They stood up against the obvious attempt at tyranny they saw in front of them. They stood up and said, “This man does not represent our ideals, values and morals.” They stood up and said, “We do not agree with these attempts to silence critics by any means necessary.”

      B:

      The republican and democrat parties don't stand for anything but totally opposing each others goals. This is why the country has declined since the 70s, and why the economy hit bottom in 2008 while both parties were campaigning 2 years for the presidency, and seats in congress. Neither one of the parties saw it coming, and both pa

      They definitely stood up and clearly said, ”Extra-marital affairs, sexual assault, objectification of women, blatant racism, intolerance of entire populations, alienation of our allies, bullying, name-calling, tantrum-throwing, divisive language, inciting violence, refusing to denounce white supremacists, and attempting to or actually obstructing justice are not acceptable. Donald Trump does not represent us.” They did this. They did this because it was the right thing to do. They did this because they knew that, even if it meant that they’d have to wait to get their agenda forwarded and have to admit they’d put the wrong candidate in office, it was the right thing to do. They stood up on principle and decency over party.

      Wait, they didn’t? They supported him and defended him? Many of them even went so far as to assist him with these things? They didn’t abandon him? Then I guess they will not be surprised to learn why so many are abandoning them.

      I’m the very definition of a swing voter. I have always swung Right. But Trump is steering my future votes. Or, more accurately, the Republican Party itself is guiding my future votes, solidly Left.

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      JOY 

      6 months ago

      Very thoughtful article

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      Tim Truzy 

      6 months ago from U.S.A.

      Agreed. When comparisons are made of the two - Bush Jr. and Trump - well, Bush Jr. communicated from the heart forged from experience around politics and all types of people.

      I saw him on a show with Bill Clinton once and they both were complimenting each other and showed mutual respect.

      I think respect has become the casualty of what's going on with the Republicans. (O.K., it could be said of both parties.) But right now, it's blaringly obvious with my brethen who are there right now. I hope that changes.

      PS: I am probably more a libertarian now as well.

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      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      I did like Bush, Jr. I still do. It's funny. I saw something that said his approval rating has improved since Trump.

      Thank you for your words. I think many people are feeling this way.

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      Tim Truzy 

      6 months ago from U.S.A.

      Wonderful article. I couldn't help but think about Ronald Reagon as I read your article: he did a lot to try to repair the relationship with minorities and women for the party - Colin Powel, Clarence Thomas - numerous women he put into positions of power. This was after experiencing Watergate and the problems the party was beginning to get from the South.

      Donald Trump has undone his work.

      Full disclosure: I was a Republican until I saw the fringe beginning to emerge in the 1990's. I was even working with the county chair in my state. But I went to a rally and actually talked with Al Gore. He didn't seem like the "end of America" as Republicans were claiming. He was decent and thoughtful. I took notice.

      I was done with the party by the time Jr. became president, but Bush Jr., was a decent man, in spite of his obvious flaws. By the time they passed HB2 in my state: I knew we were in for a long-treacherous-dangerous ride.

      Your article is so dead on with your observations and your experience. Many of us are feeling the same way right now.

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      shancontented 

      6 months ago from Someplace, Somewhere

      Thank you. It's the truth :)

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      JOC 

      6 months ago from Syracuse, NY

      Great article.

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