Obama - Could he Spy on Trump - and DID he?

Updated on March 30, 2017
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Grew up on Cape Cod, Mass, Army Vet., Fmr. Director of Energy Conservation programs, RE Agent, current residence the Space Coast, FL

Another day into this matter, and of all the interviews of various Senators sitting on Investigation Committees and of former Intelligence Directors two things were made abundantly clear.

#1 - No Intelligence agency has evidence of collusion between Russia and Trump.

#2 - There was indeed a full investigation into Trump and his campaign associates by various U.S. Intelligence agencies.

What is also made clear is that any President, through the NSA, could spy on anyone at anytime for any reason and that Obama could have used this source of intelligence gathering on Trump's campaign.

For this the President needs no warrant, needs no approval, he simply tells the NSA give me everything you got on this person, and they go and get it.

As for the FISA Warrants, James Clapper, Former Director of National Intelligence for the Obama Administration, states matter of factly that there was no FISA Warrant issued to wire tap Trump.

James Clapper also states that there was no information gathered that he saw which produced any evidence that there was collusion between Russia and Trump. Both of these statements by James Clapper can be seen in the video below (2nd one down).

But the NY Times reported back on the 6th and 20th of January that intelligence reports WERE given to former President Obama on then candidate Donald Trump, or to someone who answered directly to then President Obama. This most likely would have been either James Clapper, or AG Loretta Lynch (in the case of FISA).

This is an ever changing story, with new information coming to light every day (IE - WikiLeaks putting out information on Vault 7 and the CIA) while other information is quickly buried (IE - Uranium One and Joule Unlimited) and Russian ties to Podesta, Clinton, Schumer and others is ignored.

By this time next week, everything I have typed here will be old news, much of the information below already is.


Hugh Hewitt gives EXCELLENT break down of this for MSNBC

James Clapper Interviews - No Trump Collusion with Russia

First Question - Could Obama order Trump to be tapped and hacked? Answer - Yes.

In Chapter 36 of Title 50 of the US Code *War and National Defense", Subchapter 1, Section 1802, Some key excerpts of this, take note:

(a) (1) Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing under oath that -

Each application shall require the approval of the Attorney General based upon his finding that it satisfies the criteria and requirements of such application as set
forth in this subchapter. It shall include -
(1) the identity of the Federal officer making the application;
(2) the authority conferred on the Attorney General by the
President of the United States and the approval of the Attorney
General to make the application;

(e) Personal review by Attorney General
(1)(A) Upon written request of the Director of the Federal Bureau
of Investigation, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of State,
or the Director of Central Intelligence, the Attorney General shall
personally review under subsection (a) of this section an
application under that subsection for a target described in section
1801(b)(2) of this title.

Throughout the entire document, it states over and over again that this must be reviewed and approved by the AG, at the least.


Second Question - DID SOMEONE in the Obama Administration ask for or order Trump to be tapped & hacked? . . . Answer - Yes

The Guardian and other news sources reported months ago that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (FISA) court in June, in order to monitor members of the Trump campaign suspected of having contacts with Russian officials. The FISA court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow their focus. According to follow up reports, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October.

What was left unsaid, is that this would have had to pass by the Attorney General to get the go ahead, and no doubt the AG would not submit such a request (twice) without some form of acceptance and authorization by President Obama himself. There will be no paper trail linking it to the President, but you can bet it was discussed at some level between the AG and EO.

The NYTimes reported on Saturday that: "a senior White House official said that Donald F. McGahn II, the president’s chief counsel, was working on Saturday to secure access to what the official described as a document issued by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court authorizing surveillance of Mr. Trump and his associates."

The paper trail for such requests to FISA should be a significant one, and when those papers are made public it would certainly help prove that this witch-hunt into tying Trump and others to the Russians has been long in the making, and that the Obama Administration bent his EO's authority and power in an effort to undermine Trump the candidate, and Trump the President, an act of sedition pertaining to the latter.

This will go one of two ways, an investigation headed by the AG or the Assistant AG (one appointed by the Trump Admin) will look into this and the supposed Russian conspiracy, and will determine one of the two parties as essentially traitors to the United States. Things are going to get messy.

You can find more detailed conversation/facts about it here:

https://twitter.com/justinhendrix/status/838010340579426304

and here

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/05/trump-ends-innuendo-game-dealing/

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      jfai 14 months ago

      and this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3HNRKSx2HM

      you don't need to post what i tell you- it is mainly for you. you can post it if you want to.

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      jfai 14 months ago

      you will want to check this guy out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARqez2FQzw8

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      jfai 14 months ago

      keep watching the news. there have been some things come out and there will be more. i can guarantee you that he was spied on and that they illegally unmasked flynn and others. the law states that if you are listening to foreigner communication in the scope of intelligence gathering, you have to mask any americans that you happen to pick up talking to them unless you expose them as a criminal in a criminal prosecution.

      you can't simply leak their names- that is illegal. and we now know who leaked the names. we also know who was complicent in the matter. we have several names. we also know that due to obama writing an executive order before he left that the conversations and their content went to quite a few people.

      know this - the nwo is out to get trump. he is not part of the shadow government- he is out to expose it. they are afraid of him so they will try to stop him in any way possible. they will try to discredit him and his children and anyone else connected to his administration.

      if that doesn't work, they will try to take him out. their goal is not only to get rid of him, but to destroy our constitution and our government as we know it. they almost had it- but he won the election.

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      Ken Burgess 14 months ago from Florida

      Thank you all for the links and interest in this article, I reviewed it to do an update, but felt things haven't changed substantially enough yet to warrant it.

      For all the media attention and meetings in Congress held, things haven't been furthered very much...still a lot of smoke, but have yet to see where the fire is at.

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      jfai 14 months ago

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      andy wang 14 months ago from haining

      how can we belived this thing if hanppend in china

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      Susie Lehto 14 months ago from Minnesota

      Ken, I believe you would be interested in listening to George Webb on YouTube in regards to the wiretaps and hacking. The Awan brothers saga.

      Very good intelligence that will keep you informed with updates and get you up to speed.

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      Ken Burgess 14 months ago from Florida

      You need to watch this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4CHcdCbyYs

      Looks like we are getting closer to the truth... those who are REALLY in collusion with the Russians are trying to pin collusion on Trump and those who AREN'T.

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      jfai 14 months ago

      yeah i was reading some of that on this site: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/ - they had some interesting stuff to show and tell

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      Ken Burgess 14 months ago from Florida

      There is a lot of talk.

      What comes next is the review of how Podesta (over $1 BILLION rubles), the Clintons (at least half a BILLION rubles) and other associates with the Dems (maybe Schumer?) have gotten really swell donations, contracts, and such via Russia that have paid them a LOT of money...

      So... would it be a stretch for them, in COLLUSION with the Russians, try to manufacture evidence, no matter how thin (like say, a Senator meeting with a Russian Ambassador) so that they could hammer away at Trump and his closest aids with this 'Russian Scare' tactic?

      I think eventually someone will start to connect the dots... you know, look at the facts... Uranium One, Joule Unlimited... and wonder why it is Trump being investigated, rather than these folks who are already know to have ties to Putin and Russia.

      http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/20...

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      jfai 14 months ago

      steve king in the senate tonight is talking about all of the investigations into russian activity and trump. he is proving there were leaks and there was an investigation into trump and his campaign

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 14 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      There is no one on the "religious right" which by the way is a left wing characterization meant to demonize Christianity, same kind of BS term as the "alt right" or the "right wing extremist." Pence believes in "human and civil rights and freedom for all and all of the rights and privileges promised under the constitution" probably more than you do, so he is your idea of the religious right? Like I said at first, your comments don't add up. To say someone like Pence scares you more than someone you think has a temper and lacks control (your false idea of Trump) makes no sense at all and frankly you and your assumptions make no sense at all.

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      jfai 14 months ago

      i know- you wouldn't understand. you see, trump is a moderate. what scares me is his temper. and his lack of control. i am fully aware that this witch hunt is putting stress on him, but he sometimes sounds like he is losing it. and yes i do believe a witch hunt is going on and there are other strange things happening right now as the deep state is activated.

      however, i am not a deep conservative. i still believe in things like human and civil rights and freedom for all and all of the rights and privileges promised under the constitution.

      therefore, i really don't want the religious right to take over. i prefer to have them where they belong- at church - teaching moral and religious ethics to our nation.

      pence is a little too right for me - and i wasn't impressed by his record on freedom and civil rights.

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 14 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      Trump scares you but you don't want him impeached? If you are scared of Trump then what about Pence could be scarier than Trump? Your comments just don't add up.

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      jfai 14 months ago

      let's hope he doesn't get impeached for any reason. i don't really approve of pence- he scares me more than trump

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 14 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      Caught in their own web of deceit - not only ironic but appropriate. Thing is when their back is against the wall there are always Clinton Crime Family tactics, Chicago mob tactics, they can use like key people or witnesses mysteriously disappearing or committing suicide. Watch for that next.

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      Ken Burgess 14 months ago from Florida

      Levin is not someone I usually listen to, but in this case he has done a good job... which when looking at it, was fairly simple.

      All he did was use the articles and information provided by the NY Times, as well as relevant official's interviews or statements to make his case.

      The NY Times states on the 20th of Jan 2017 that the results of Intelligence Agency investigations was delivered to the White House, point blank, matter of fact reporting.

      When you connect all the dots... there can only be one of two outcomes. They either got the FISA court approval, or the Executive Office went to the NSA and had some type of information mining and hacking done... or both, so that would be the third option.

      Because of the leak of secret information regarding Flynn, they cannot deny such ILLEGAL gathering of information was done, or that such information was ILLEGALLY leaked for POLITICAL purposes.

      Based on past, and recent statements made by various intelligence directors the past 48 hours, either the Democrats in Congress are accusing Trump and those in his Administration of Russian collusion when their is NO proof... or there is some type of proof, like they had on Flynn, which was gathered ILLEGALLY and if it comes to light its leaking would be a FELONY.

      That is why the MSM and the Democrats in Congress are now in a dilemma, no matter which way they turn or what they do... SOMEONE is going be in trouble... Obama, Lynch, or the lunatics stirring all the trouble in Congress right now.

      Sedition, Felony, Impeachable offenses... all are possible charges to come out of this at some point.

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      jfai 14 months ago

      not only that, he gave a lot of evidence to support that it actually was factual and not the delusions of a paranoid person.

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 14 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      It works. If you update you should delete my comment and add the link to Levin's interview - that guy knows what he is talking about. Anyone who thinks Trump, the President, privy to information not even Obama may have, would make something like this up for no good reason doesn't have a clue as to the corruption within the late Obama administration and the Democrat party.

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      Ken Burgess 14 months ago from Florida

      I will probably update this hub in a few days after more concrete information has come out. That is an excellent suggestion on how to add the information I had to remove.

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      Banned cause of pissants promisem and deantraylor 14 months ago from TWO OF THE MANY LYING LIB CRYBABIES OF HUB PAGES

      Well done Ken on this hub page Ken. However you can excerpt the relevant portion. Make a jpg of it and add it in a photo capsule. The bots don't read the photos.

      You can add this too:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhTUIORu2_I&fe...

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