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Hillary Clinton - Security Inquiry

Updated on May 25, 2016
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The United States Federal Bureau of Investigations conducts investigations, not security inquiries. That's why they are called the FBI and not the FBSI. Current FBI Director James Comey confirmed in a recent interview that he has no idea why Hillary Clinton and her team are using the phrase "security inquiry" to characterize the ongoing federal investigation into Mrs. Clinton and her use of a private e-mail server while she served as Secretary of State under President Obama. In that same interview, Director Comey told reporters that there was no timeline on when the investigation would be completed. FBI investigators have been meeting face to face with top aides in Mrs. Clinton’s inner circle, including Huma Abedin and Cheryl Mills.

June 9th, 2000

Hillary Clinton quoted on video, "As much as I’ve been investigated and all of that, you know, why would I? I don’t even want… Why would I ever want to do email? Can you imagine?”

Will one of her aides give the rest up?

Last week, the FBI spoke to her five closest advisers while she was Secretary of State , four of whom remain close to her and have significant positions in her presidential campaign. Huma Abedin, who serves as vice chair of Clinton's presidential campaign and was deputy chief of staff to Clinton at the State Department, Jake Sullivan also her then deputy chief of staff at the State Department and her current senior policy advisor, and Philippe Reines a longtime Clinton aide whose been her spokesperson are still active in her organization. The fourth, Cheryl Mills, a long-time senior aide to Hillary Clinton, was also interrogated but it was reported that she and her lawyer both walked out of those interrogations over questions that were related to the procedure used to produce emails for possible public release by the State Department. The FBI investigator may have been alluding to the Benghazi events. Regardless, both Mills and her lawyer viewed those types of questions as off limits and covered under attorney-client privilege. They did return after a cooling off period to complete the interview. This round of interrogations were voluntary, not under oath, and done in the presence of the same legal team that represented all five aides. It was reported that they were extremely confrontational.

The purpose of the interrogations was to enable federal prosecutors and investigators to determine whether any of these five are targets in the investigation or witnesses, either for the government against Mrs. Clinton or for her. Once concluded, the FBI will decide if they want to charge any of these folks as part of a plan to commit espionage, or if they want to offer them a plea bargain opportunity to be witnesses on behalf of the government in the prosecution against Mrs. Clinton or one of them.

The fifth person interrogated was Bryan Pagliano, an information technology expert, who was employed by the State Department to trouble-shoot former Secretary Clinton's private email server. The server was somewhat problematic and it was his job to keep it up and functioning. He was also personally employed by Hillary; she paid him $5,000 to migrate her regular State Department email account and her secret State Department email account from their secure State Department servers to her personal, secret, non-secure server in her home in Chappaqua, N.Y. These payments were off the books and he did not disclose them on his State Department financial disclosure forms, an act that could lead to fines an possibly prison time. Also recall that when the email scandal first broke, he pled the Fifth. In early March, he was granted immunity in exchange for his testimony, which also means he can no longer invoke Fifth Amendment protections. Whether Pagliano’s immunity deal was sought by his legal team or by the FBI isn't as important as the fact that the government now has the one person who knows the system best on their team. A key part of the investigation into Mrs. Clinton involves whether she knew that the information she sent and received through the private server was classified, whether she was the one instructing her aides to circumnavigate protocols to evade transparency, and what has been hidden or deleted.

Bryan Pagliano
Bryan Pagliano

Bryan Pagliano

Bryan Pagliano was a Schedule C employee at the State Department, which meant that the White House ultimately approved his job, and granted him the official title of information technology specialist for policy and planning. It is unclear still on who if anyonis knew about the secret relationship he had with Mrs. Clinton to work off the books. As part of the investigation and after his pleading the Fifth, the FBI seized his computers but in what appears to be quite the suspicious turn of events, The State Department announced that it suddenly couldn't find any of Bryan's e-mails that coincided with when he worked for Mrs. Clinton. He did have an official State Department account and he did follow the rules in turning everything over upon his departure, but they've seemed to have vanished. This came to light when a Senate Committee reached out State to review them as part of the determination hearing on whether to grant Pagliano immunity. Amazingly enough, the State Department can produce records from both before and after her tenure, but none during it. Reports are that technicians are combing other accounts for message crosses attempting to rebuild some of the file. I don't think anyone believes that this is just a mistake or an oversight From the State Department, it's just too coincidental on too many plains.

2008 - The US Government Publishes Rules for Email Storage

The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) issues Bulletin 2008-05, which states that every government email system is supposed to “permit easy and timely retrieval,” and all work emails are supposed to be permanently preserved. Additionally, in the case of a cabinet secretary, permanent records are to be sent to the department’s Records Service Center “at the end of the Secretary’s tenure or sooner if necessary” for safekeeping.

January 15, 2008 – September 30, 2013

Looking back at the time Secretary Clinton was at the State Department reveals some lapses in procedures; intentionally or not, when viewed collectively they create questions. Many people do not know that the State Department had no permanent Inspector General the entire time Hillary was Secretary - this is the longest time any department in government ever went without that role being filled on a permanent basis. With no internal watchdog at the helm, there was a wide opportunity for corruption, no one is saying anything specific, just noting the lack of oversight. Upon being appointed to the position, Hillary Clinton immediately got an email server and had it installed in her house in Chappaqua, New York. This same server (with a new domain name and email addresses) would hold all her emails during her time as Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013. The set up was the kind of system often used by small businesses, consistIng of two off-the-shelf server computers equipped with antivirus software. They were linked by cable to a local Internet service provider. An IP address associated with the clintonemail.com domain later used by Hillary Clinton was registered to “Eric Hoteham” in February after the installation. This alias name was also connected to the IP address for clintonemail.com, and is connected to Bill and Hillary Clinton’s home address in Chappaqua, New York. No one really knows where the alias came from although some speculated it was a former employee.

Guccifer

Marcel Leher Lazar, the Romanian hacker know worldwide as Guccifer, brought Clinton’s personal email address — HDR22@clintonemail.com — to light in 2013 after he hacked into the AOL account of her friend, Sidney Blumenthal. Up until then, the entire secret network she had created was for all intents invisible to any oversight. The fact that she had a personal system and had everything on it quickly engaged the gears of bureaucracy and her life became changed forever. She held off in turning over the server to the FBI, so they seized it. She alluded that she had deleted nearly half of the messages, claiming them to be personal, however, the FBI recovered them. They discovered many questionable practices on data handling, security, and more. Since then nearly 150 agents have been working on various aspects of the case.

Philippe Reines with Mrs. Clinton
Philippe Reines with Mrs. Clinton

Interrogation Stage

The sheer volume of details on this case could fill a library, and in time America will hopefully see what will emerge from it. As for now, each one of four aides who hasn't made a deal with the FBI are considered pieces on the board. The first pawn is Philippe Reines who was the media gatekeeper for Hillary. He is purported to also be managing a private e-mail account, but not on her server it too is one with no traceability. This fact was brought to light by the media and met with no answers upon scrutiny. The State Department was unable to produce a request under the Freedom of Information Act that showed communications between the Clinton team and any media sources; this communication is what is thought to be on a private email and part of the investigation. The coordination efforts of the Clinton team with the media would be highly sought after by those wishing to see if and how she tried to portray the murder of four Americans in Benghazi among other things.

Jake Sullivan

Jake Sullivan was one of the authors of messages that appeared on several Hillary Clinton email chains that have been labeled "top secret" by the State Department, according to multiple intelligence sources who have seen the correspondence. Mr. Sullivan both initiated and forwarded messages with sensitive information in them which isn't surprising considering his position in the State Department. How he handled them is another story altogether. Reviewing the 1600 emails that are being more heavily scrutinized being deemed confidential his name is everywhere. In at least two instances, Mrs. Clinton had asked Sullivan to send her sensitive information on an unsecured network for convenience. In one instance, a document was scheduled to be sent to Clinton but the secure fax machine appears to have been broken. Mrs. Clinton wrote in an email, “If they can't, turn into nonpaper [with] no identifying heading and send nonsecure. "Non-paper" is a diplomatic term for a discussion draft or memo that does not represent the official position of a government or negotiator. Speculation that this type of behavior showed “intent” and indicated Clinton may have violated laws that cover how classified material is handled.

Huma Abedin

Huma Abedin is certainly the closest person to Mrs. Clinton, both in her work and in person; The two are never more than a few feet apart. She can be her savior or her figurative executioner dependong on which way the chips fall. The fact that she was interviewed seems to many that the investigation is nearing its end, but nothing has been confirmed. Her interrogation lasted for two hours with the investigators trying to verify information and look for inconsistencies between what she said as compared to the others. One of the primary questions is whether Huma distributed classified material in the Clinton email systems that fell outside the State department's secure classified system. She did have an email account on the private system and regularly emailed Mrs. Clinton and rumors are swirling around Washington on whether she'll be offered a deal to testify against her boss.

Ms. Abedin herself is no secret to questionable events in her life including the infamous "weiner-gate" incidents where her husband was caught being "Carlos Danger" a psyedonym for his on-line sexting trysts. She was also part of a probe where it was discovered that Mrs. Clinton ignored rules while she served as secretary of state and overpaid Abedin for unreported time off to the tune of over $10K.

Cheryl Mills

Investigators considered Ms. Mills, who served as chief of staff while Clinton was secretary of state, to be a mostly cooperative witness. The episode of her walking out demonstrates the level of tension surrounding the ongoing FBI criminal probe. The mishandling of classified information is a serious issues and since it involves a Democratic presidential candidate, there is no room for error. As is customary in these situations, the questioning was conducted jointly by FBI agents and Justice Department prosecutors. Yet when things got dicey, it seems the Justice Department prosecutors worked jointly with Mills' lawyer to block the FBI from asking about Mills’s collusion with Clinton in the delayed provision of thousands of Clinton’s e-mails to State. Even stranger is the fact that this high-profile interview was available to the media, almost as if an invisible hand is leaking parts of it to make a case.

Solidarity? Or safety in numbers?

Four of the aides still on team Hillary have adopted a solidarity strategy; all hiring the same ex-Justice department lawyer to represent them. Beth Wilkinson, a well-connected former assistant U.S. attorney appears to be the glue which will keep the stories straight. This alone appears to be quite risky should something emerge that might pit one aide against another. Heather Samuelson, who sorted Hillary's e-mails and helped determine which were personal or work related along with Mills, Reines, and Sullivan all will have similar testimony when their day in court comes. The strategy of circling the wagons around Mrs. Clinton could be a tactic that works in the voluntary interrogations, however if things look to splinter, each will seek out their own council.

Wilkinson has deep ties to both the DOJ and Washington politics. She is married to David Gregory, a huge Clinton donor and the former host of Meet the Press. She's very experienced in high profile cases prosecuting Manuel Noriega and Timothy McVeigh and she knows just about everyone in the Justice Department. it's uncertain who is paying for the legal expenses of the group at this time.

Those on the outside see the arrangement as evidence that either the DOJ and the FBI are going to allow them to coordinate their stories to "make it go away" or that the Clinton camp is waiting to see what cards the FBI is showing before moving forward. With Sullivan being interrogated on separate issues as compared to Mills and the others, it's an almost certainty that a conflict will arise and force them to each find separate lawyers and most likely a "save their own skin" approach. They are beyond any protection of the Clinton machine at this point and if one cracks, then the entire house collapses.

Calling it espionage and conspiracy

A Federal judge ordered the same five persons who were interrogated to give videotaped testimony in a civil lawsuit against the State Department, which once employed them, in order to determine if there was a “conspiracy” in Hillary Clinton's office to evade federal transparency laws. Stated differently, the purpose of these interrogations is to seek evidence of an agreement to avoid the Freedom of Information Act requirements of storage and transparency of records, and whether such an agreement, if it existed, was also an agreement to commit espionage — the removal of state secrets from a secure place to a non-secure place. The long and the short of it appears that the FBI will be trying to pit everyone against each other to see who jumps at the immunity brass ring first or at all. One would think that the Clinton's track record of having others take the fall would continue, but there are some wild cards to be played still.

Many legal experts, especially those who are aligned with the current administration believe that Clinton will not prosecuted for using the private email system since at the time it wasn't banned. What's looming is whether she or her aides distributed classified material in email systems that fell outside of the secure classified system. Mrs. Clinton has repeatedly denied violating the understanding of the law and has been very vocal throughout the proceedings. Many of the recovered emails are deemed too sensitive to be released and Clinton continues to claim those and any of the others were deemed or marked classified after the fact. Legally it doesn't matter which markings were on the emails since government officials, especially at that level are expected and obligated to secure and protect all sensitive materials.

The Law that is being used for the scrutiny is (18 U.S. Code & 793 subsection f) which makes clear that anyone who has materials “relating to the national defense” cannot lose or give them away. The law is broken if “through gross negligence permits [materials] to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed.”

The FBI is likely to interrogate Mrs. Clinton in the new few weeks. She still maintains her total innocence and expects to be fully exonerate. Yet many would challenge that statement strictly on policy; the FBI just doesn't start an investigation of this level into a person of this level without a high degree of certainty she's guilty. Questions remain, such as will President Obama intervene and save her from the humiliation of being indicted? Does FBI Director Comey have what it takes to obey US law instead of a sitting President? Will Clinton's influence peddling worldwide be considered? Was the server hacked? Will her team take the fall for her if she appears to be found guilty? Will she be quickly dispatched so President Obama has time to pardon her before leaving office? If she goes down, does she take the entire Democratic Party along with her just for spite? What are the voters thinking?

Summary

This case and how it plays out will certainly impact American politics for decades. If she is indicted, Mrs. Clinton will be the highest ranking woman in government to achieve that dishonor. Bernie Sanders, the opposition she seemingly can't rid herself of is quietly waiting in the wings hoping for that scenario. He's hoping to flip support from the Super Delegates based on her unworthiness to serve as the nominee on the trust factor and more. Sanders will try to position himself as the savior of the party and hopefully as a future President, even though he only loosely represents real Democrats. So for now, we wait, and wait, and wait some more.

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    Leslie McCowen 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

    Sorry, you're barking up a righty tree. Remeber when Bush adm deleted 22 million e mails sent from a private server of the RNC? This was a violation of Presidential Records Act.

    No hearings, no investigation. Know why? Those in power didn't ask for one. Know why?

    It was Republican house, Republican senate, Republican prez.

    Now we have Republican house, Republican senate, but a dem adm and suddenly everything becomes a crime.

    Ahahaha. Transparent buffonery.

    Do you know they've spent more tax money and gvt time on Hillary than they did 9/11? And they still can't tell me why Dickles Cheney ordered those f-16s to stand down.

    I'd say the Republican priorities are warped.

    Chip chip old man. The partisan unpatrioticism is quite revolting.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    How does putting out a list of facts and then questions make this partisan and/or unpatriotic? I'd think compromising national security with a homemade server would be unpatriotic sure, and of course the attempt to hide everything, well that's unpatriotic too, and then there is the conspiracy thing with everyone else covering it up...that's unpatriotic.

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    Paula 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Ralph....I suspect you need a vacation after writing this smokin piece! I need one and all I did was read it. Once again, I truly appreciate the intense research done for this. Can I admit I felt like on a somewhat roller coaster? Not due to what I was reading, your article got my heart rate up as I felt a surge of "hope." (Can it be that Hillary the Thug will actually be held accountable as any other human being would be??)

    I wasn't able to screen out the doubts, Ralph. I keep remembering all that the Clintons have gotten away with through the years with nary a subtle slap on the wrist. (Bill's impeachment didn't even make a dent~~OBVIOUSLY!)

    There's the nagging concern that they are so totally crooked (& fairly powerful) she could literally slide through all of this with ease, unscathed. I worry. Will the FBI be hard-assed enough? Is Comey a man of steel Kahonas? If not, Hillary has been correct right along as she's boasted of "not being the least bit concerned"

    While anxiety levels are high as to when we'll KNOW the bottom line, I'm inclined to want more time to pass. No way can they finally hold Hill the Pill responsible only for Obama to quickly pardon her.

    This piece is on fire, Ralph. Keep the news coming.!! Sorry if I rambled....your story made me anxious.

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    Very well done expose Ralph!

    "Think about this for a minute. If you come down to it, and she is nominated by one of the major parties, and you have not a huge case, and you don’t have any criminal intent, are you going to indict? Is it wise to indict a nominee of a major party? Is that the right way to do it? Is that the right thing to do?"~ Brit Hume

    I think that sums it up. No matter what the findings Obama is not going to allow her to be indicted simply because "it's not the right thing to do."

    But how anyone can say there is no criminal intent is beyond me. She and Billy have raised 16 million dollars just in the last 16 months from speeches. What in God's name could these two have to say now that merits that kind of money? What a joke! Some deleted emails certainly had something to do with raising money for favors but how do you prove it without the emails? You don't delete emails that are the property of the government without criminal intent, that is a crime, she knew it was a crime, there has to be criminal intent.

    Once again lMC appears with her moral equivalency argument. The only thing she can ever say to defend Hiliary is to point to others she thinks have gotten away with something similar. It's like a child defending her sister for shoplifting because her neighbor's kid got away with shoplifting.

    Wrong is wrong, because someone gets away with something is never justification for someone else to commit a crime, but only an adult would understand that.

    What she should be saying is we can't let people get away with crimes and we have to stop it whenever and wherever it occurs. Otherwise she is justifying all and any crime past present and future by anyone simply because someone got away with something.

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    CJ Kelly 8 months ago from Auburn, WA

    Ralph, while I believe your argument is very valid,, I think the focus on the emails is actually helping her in the media and in the campaign. I hear it over and over again: "They are picking on her," or the classic, "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" is at it again. Just letting HRC be HRC will help Trump and the Republicans.

    Every time she makes a speech, she makes a reference to "extremists" and mentions how they are not talking about the real issues.

    Conservatives can't shape the message, for the most part. So focusing on issues like the economy and national security, will be a winning strategy.

    She's already admitted that the economy is bad by saying she would appoint Bill as an "economic czar." Why would we need a czar if the administration that she just served is so great? Her support of President Obama is one of her main selling points. The GOP should attack her on that. It will resonate.

    Attacking HRC on the emails and Benghazi is valid but a losing argument; the same as the attacks on Bill during the Lewinsky mess. It did not work on Bill and it won't work on Hillary. Hate to say it. Time to move on.

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    Correction, excuse me, I said they made 16 million in 16 months. It was 6.7 million in 16 months, unconscious mistake.

    Lion, remember when Obama ran for second term, Slick Willie's speech, "I couldn't have done the economy any better than Obama. He repeated it! So much for getting his help on the economy!

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    And why do you think the "vast right wing conspiracy" works? It was and is remembered as a blatant self serving lie, the epitome of a conniving Hiliary who will say or do anything to cover up for her husband.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Lion - excellent point, however just as she isn't getting any traction with the "women card" I don't see her able to play this off outside of her own circle of zealots. It's been on the radar for far too long and despite every Clintonian tactic to hide, erase, or otherwise sweep it u der the rug, it still remains. Too bad Bernie Sanders isn't hitting her in it too - he's at the point where he needs to pull out the stops and go after her or else fade away eternally. Since he's not a real democrat, I'd of thought he'd attack her already.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Paula - I've been researching this topic for about 10 days fairly steady just to put this piece together - the toughest part was that I kept getting side tracked from one crime to the next. Almost strayed into weiner-gate but held fast, then of course another whole section I omitted was on her a blackberry and the controversy around it,then Blumenthal and the rest of he cronies....ahhhhh the sheer number of conspiracies are taking over...ahhhhhhhhh

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Tsad - I'm waiting for Leslie to weigh in again on the right wing conspiracy topic with baited breath...

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    Leslie McCowen 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

    How many times do I have to say it? Gladio. G l a d I o. G...l...a...d...i...o. Right wing operatives doing horrible things, blaming the left. For political gain. Impeaching Clinton for lying about an affair, letting Bushco off the hook for 9/11, iraq, haliburton, blackwater, torture, all of it. Demanding Hillary be investigated and investigated, ignoring Repubs who have done the exact same things.

    Keep flapping gums. It's obvious to all but yourselves how empty your accusations are. If Bush/Cheney still walk the streets, everyone else is chopped liver.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    G L A D I O - is that a Village People song?

    What did Bush around 9-11 Leslie - did he let mean old Dick Cheany plant a false flag?

    I love water boarding / it's so painfully fun when done right - ON TERRORISTS of course

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    LMC, who is Chris? I mean nothin by that question, just wondering.

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    Paula 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Wait a second Tsad!! Are you sure that's not a SECURITY Inquiry?? Lotta "flowery" lingo floating around Liberal land....

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Whoa you two - don't make me pull security on you - I've got the old Poolman on high alert - he's going to check you chlorine levels and stuff like that

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    Well I was just wondering if Chris might be her dog or her cat. If Chris is her husband or boyfriend I'd also wonder,and might ask Leslie if "Chris" was prone to philandering, accused of multiple sexual assaults and getting BJs from someone less than half his age, would she still "lovemychris". I mean since Hiliary is her role model, I wonder if she would be consistent with her support of Hiliary to that extent.

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    Leslie McCowen 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

    Chris is my husband, Christopher McCowen, framed for murder by the white racists here on Cape Crud. So I'm well aware of the horrible ways of the human being.

    Hillary is not my role model. In fact, given her stance on Israel, im thinking of sitting this one out. But the republicans would be so much worse, I just can't do it.

    It's nice that you're cavalier with sadistic brutes, im not.

    Isn't it funny, a guy who wrote Trump book says he reminds him of GW Bush.

    Always new the "again" Dumpy talks about is Bushco on steroids. Already got the House and Senate for it. Just need the prez and SC.

    Fascism Train. Choo Choo

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    Leslie, I'm so sorry to hear what has happened to your husband. That must be a very hard cross for you to bear. Perhaps if what you say is true, Bill Clinton should be behind bars in Chris's place, would you consider that justice, could it be white racists that exonerate Bill from prosecution?

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    Mike 8 months ago from Rural Arizona

    Ralph, great job of researching and reporting. History would tell us that the Clinton's are bullet proof when it comes to answering for their crimes.

    I would guess that even with the FBI being involved, this too shall be buried and forgotten with no penalties for Hillary.

    If that happens those who were punished and shamed for lesser "mistakes" may have some recourse. And those who make this same "mistake" in the future can do so without fear of penalty.

    This situation is history in the making that will have long term affect even if Hillary escapes prosecution.

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    Paula 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    !!!!!!!!! As soon as I can get up off the floor and recover enough from the utter shock......

    Leslie....I am extremely familiar with the Christa Worthington case. I followed and thoroughly investigated every single moment of this case. I wrote 4 articles at the time for a local magazine on the trial.

    Since Christopher was not married at the time, it's safe to assume you married him after his conviction and incarceration.

    I would not question you further here nor will I comment except to say that in divulging this fact, I can now fully understand your entire attitude on pretty much everything. I also know I will be spending a good deal of time on your site, especially to read your works having anything & everything to do with this infamous case.

    Congratulations. You have knocked me over like a feather.

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    Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

    Well researched hub. Great piece as usual. My question on this whole affair is why is it takings so long to investigate and charge her?

    In any criminal case, if you can produce 1 evidence that is definitive, you have won the case. Why is it necessary to go thru the thousands of emails (in printed page), to determine if they were top secret or not? If one document was found, does't that make the case?

    I feel like the delay is deliberate. I just don't trust the FBI or the Justice Department under Obama.

    The Clinton's are masters at this tactic. Bill Clinton's impeachment was a prime example. They denied and delayed and blame others until they run out of excuses... The long impeachment process just lost the American public. Then to focus on the sex angle played right into the Clinton's defense. The detail of the case included many more criminal activities... It was a shame that Ken Starr chose to focus on Monica and let the other things slide.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I was checking into this too...the married part. Now I see where the vicarious anger comes from.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Jack - the delay tactic is page one of the Clinton playbook - usually they get the "it's old news" out to follow it up when The issues are strictly partisan in nature. Notice how its not working this time because National Security and circumventing the law is bigger than Party political games. We the People won't let it go this time.

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    Paula 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Yes Ralph.....Volumes of understanding now.....for all the wrong reasons. Opinions not appropriate to post.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I'm researching...not finding much though post-conviction

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    Paula 8 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    There's plenty. Have to know where to look. I'm hesitant at the moment to put out any info. It was several yrs ago when I was so deeply involved. Need to read and refresh.

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    Leslie McCowen 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

    Actually, the uncle of one of the guys involved says his nephew killed her. Said he is a cia assassin. Says this case is not to do with Clinton, but HW Bush. Also Whitey Bulger. He called it the Whitey House instead of white house.

    You can read all he has to say on liberty and justice united.org

    I hesitated to speak for a long time, as both my daughters were mysterioysly hit by cars. And trust me, it was sending a message.

    But it's been 10 yrs of an innocent man rotting in prison for others crimes.

    And it's the old boy white club on Cape

    Crud.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Let me get this straight. You are saying a murder in Cape Cod ten years ago was actually a hit,and was to somehow cover up something related to former President Bush and the Mafia? We're gonna need more details.

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    Leslie McCowen 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

    libertyandjusticeunited.org.

    There was a reporter named Jeff Blanchard who also knew Chris was innocent.

    He wrote about Bush releasing criminals from prison to do his dirty deeds, then back to prison they go.

    One of the suspects here had a phone which belonged to a man who had been convicted of murder and cut the hands off his victim. They were working at a moving company together....moved stuff from dead woman's house.

    Marks on her driveway night of murder showed car w low dual mufflers. Black suv seen leaving her driveway day before she found....

    Can't tell me these people don't know who these things belong to.

    Court tv had great blog on this case, as did Cape Cod Today.

    It all dissappeared.

    Guys uncle called himself Stormtrooper. He knew too much, was gas lighted, harrassed....apparently the lady was going to expose some things. Her laptop was taken, never found. But they say she was killed because she refused sex to this man who could have had sex with plenty.

    Awful reliving this sh*t.

    Not quite sure where Bulger comes in but he did use to party a lot in p-town. Allegedly liked to dress up in women's clothes, like Guiliani.

    Man who wrote book about it, always claimed Chris innocent....set up by police and was facing 50 yrs in prison for not registering his guns.

    Chris lawyer was set up, did 2 yrs prison for accepting bribe.

    Lot of weird stuff involved. I once had message removed from MY sent box! Was told what clothes I had on when went to visit Chris in prison. Things we said on phone mentioned on website.

    C U Next Tuesday they said to me. 2 daughters hit by car.

    English professor at college I attending said ex cop at bar told her this "classic frame job"

    It's one of guys involved uncle who says it's a cia hit. But who needs the cia? Families around here bad enough.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I went to that site and spent some time but it is repetitive and unless you were there, like you are, some of it loses its impact. Amazing story and certainly filled with intrigue and unexplained events. So how do you fit in? Did you follow the story so close you and Chris became attached or did you guys date beforehand? Not prying and certainly can respect it if you say none of your business....

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    The lesson to be learned here: never underestimate what can be learned from asking a simple unassuming question. I hope those investigating Hiliary are putting that principle to good use. My experience with people from one administration investigating a member of that administration is that they avoid asking questions that can get to the heart of the matter. I see this all the time in congressional investigations where they just accept the person testifying's answer without asking probing questions like IRS head saying "the hard drives were destroyed" next question should be "Ok, what is the name of the person who told you that?" That question was never asked! I doubt that person was ever questioned.

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    Leslie McCowen 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

    I actually laughed when I heard they arrested him and charged him with murder. Of course, since they got the black guy, it became rape and robbery too. Medical examiner said no evidence of rape. Nothing of hers found at his place, on him, etc. But they said it anyway. Her laptop did get stolen, but hey, we'll just let that slide....*wink *wink* Apparently, she was writing an expose. And her father no angel. Day after she died, he was in probate for her house. But anyway.

    I knew he didn't do it, and back then, was sure the system would realize their mistake.

    Wrong.

    I didn't follow the trial, because I was so busy and knew he'd get off, it was such a ridiculous scenario:

    Freezing cold January night. Guy with girlfriend at home, and plenty of offers elsewhere, drives 30 miles to have sex with this woman then kills her when she says no.

    The stupid burns!

    The day he got convicted is the day I started blogging.

    A woman invited me to these sites that were discussing it, and it was on.

    And that's when I became acquainted with the despicable people.

    It has been war ever since.

    These people have a lot to answer for. And they use the same tactic all goons do. And still the killer or killers walk free.

    One lady wrote to Chris and said she was sure the killer was serial killer Edward wayne edwards. Book called It's Me. The serial killer you never heard of.

    I was friends w a woman who's sister was murdered and her body cut up.....she partied with family members of her sisters killer: Tony Chop Chop

    It's just a weird place.

    And people are scared of certain ones.

    If Mulvey is right, it goes all the way to the white house and beyond.

    Chris doesn't believe that, but im not so sure.

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    Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

    If we are going to go down path of conspiracy theories, we cannot forget the TWA800 incident.

    I don't trust the FBI doing a non political investigation of Clinton.

    For those who don't remember, here are two links.

    http://www.twa800.com

    And the documentary -

    http://www.epix.com/movie/twa-flight-800/

    The FBI was implicated in tampering with evidence. Very disturbing if true.

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    Leslie, why didn't his wife, Kelly, appear at the trial? Wasn't she his alibi? Didn't Chris say he was home with her when the woman was killed? And if his wife's name was Kelly, where do you fit in?

    Jacklee - u see this? http://theantimedia.org/10-most-crooked-corrupt-th...

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I love conspiracy theories Jack - the TWA one is epic. My wife is on the "chem trails" now and she's been telling me a lot about that.

    Try this one - it's fairly new - MH370 and MH17 are the same plane...

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    Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

    The TWA incident was particularly interesting to me since I am from the NY area. When I first heard about the accident, I followed the stories closely. It was apparent to me and others that they were just going through the motions but didn't really want to get to the bottom of it. When I heard the Navy was doing exercises in the area the day of the downing, I was definitely convinced it was friendly fire and a missile. It wasn't until I saw the documentary that came out in 2014 that I fully realized what the FBI was doing behind the scenes. The NTSB was taken out of the loop and those employees should have voices their concerns then not 15 years later after they retired.

    The other joke was the simulation put out by the CIA that shows how the plane continue to climb after the explosion. No engineer, scientist or pilots would believe such nonsense. They needed that video to convince the average people that eye witnesses saw a trail heading upwards towards the plane. I still believe that truth will come out someday. Someone on those Navy vessels who knew what happened will come out sooner or later.

    The other sign that it was not an explosion of the center fuel tank is because they did little to correct the situation and till this day, no other Boeing jet has failed that way.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    That is a good point - if it was such a flaw, then all that model of plane should have been grounded immediately.

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    Leslie McCowen 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

    Kellys was his girlfriend, not his wife. And she could have given an alibi but she was sleeping and didn't know when he came in. But he woke up Saturday morning on the couch to his daughter tickling his feet. Which, if you followed this, is the real day she was murdered, not Friday night. But Chris had that alibi, so they moved it back. That black suv rushing out of her driveway on sat morning should have been questioned. But, as you know, the man who came forward to say it was a black suv was stopped by police and told the car he saw was a red hatchback, not a black suv.

    Of course judge wouldn't allow this mans testimony, nor the testimony of the court psychologist, whom Chris described his sexual encounter with the victim. Because of course, a rich socialite would never have sex with "a black trash hauler".

    That was the whole of the trial. No murder weapon...altho they did find a fishing knife in woods by her house...no motive, no fingerprints of his anywhere from bloody crime scene. DNA tested not belonging to him, blood on her shoe not belonging to him, but hey, WHO CARES? A WHITE SOCIALITE DOES NOT SLEEP WITH BLACK TRASH HAULERS.

    Especially an important one. Period, end of story.

    Really should listen to Kevin Mulvey on The Young Jerks.

    I knew him as Stormtrooper and i was Served Cold. My friend was Crusader.

    Court tv, Cape Cod Today....wealth of info.

    And one blog prior to that i can't remember. The prime suspect then was a cop who was sleeping with her.

    Jealous, violent boyfriend. Jealous wives and girlfriends.

    Long hair found on her chest....sure wasn't from a black guy that's for sure.

    I was at racial bias hearing. Mouth open stunned at the lies and demeanors.....have zero faith in juries, nor those in power.

    Travesty of justice for all. But of course, the network remains intact. Tallyho

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    I'm sorry Leslie, I thought I read in the "behind bars" interview he said wife but as you said, he said mother of his child. Wow, I have to admit that hearing everything you have said makes me wonder how he could have been convicted beyond a reasonable doubt. Sounds like now his only hope is to find the real murderer or evidence that might get him a Governor's pardon. Why don't you consult with potential PI's (start with only the best) and if one will take the case start a "go fund me" page. You could actually say the PI has been selected and that he has agreed to take the case and how much money he'll need (but DO NOT SAY WHO YOU ARE HIRING). The PI will tell you the best way to do this go fund me thing from his perspective. What does Chris have to lose? Get some big money celebs behind this and who knows what could happen. Your rendition of the facts would make me want to contribute some money. Just be sure everything you write on the gfm page is accurate and can't be misconstrued as slandering anyone. Probably be smart to have a lawyer look it over before you post the gfm page.

    There are people, like me, who can't stand the thought of an injustice like you have described occurring in this country and they will get on the band wagon if the right tune is playing. If Chris has been falsely convicted of charges the state has brought against him we all have a responsibility (like donating a few bucks) to leave no stone unturned to prove his innocence.

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    Remember, usually nothing ever happens if you don't make it happen.

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    Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

    Tsad, I am reminded of this - there are 3 types of people, one that make things happen, one that watch things happen and one that ask, what the heck happened?

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    lol, Well if I sum up my life I think I'm number three!

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I think you'll get a good laugh from this new hub I just posted

    https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/The-Liberal-News...

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Guccifer just cut a deal - ding dong the witch is dead

  • tsad 8 months ago

    why does this HP now say soapboxie?

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    Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

    Congratulations Ralph, this hub was selected for the new niche sites.

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    Ralph Schwartz 8 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    So, I put out a question I'd like you guys to comment on - HP is starting all these new niche sites with the best content from HP - I bet they are making deals left and right for ads, etc. we as writers have no say what gets taken away from HP and moved to a niche site and we get no compensation......sounds like a bending over to me

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    You got that right, follow the money, exactly why I don't write for money here, wouldn't ever trust them not to take advantage of my revenue or not cheat me in some way based on the mentality of their moderators. I'd rather choose to make nothing than be cheated.

    Check out what this hubber (satansaysdothat) writes using foul language to denigrate Jesus Christ and the book considered Holy by Christianity. Do you think HP moderators would allow Islam or the Koran to be denigrated like this hubber does to Christianity?

    He has been flagged by hubbers here for two months since the first day he appeared and moderators have done nothing.Read his Genesis 1.

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    Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

    Ralph, I know what you mean. I also had a hub transferred to a niche site recently. It is too new to assess the effect. So far, I have not seen any increase in traffic. I am also not sure what will happen to HP in the long run. It would give me more peace to know what they are planning and also give us an option to opt out. Wait and see...

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    TSAD 8 months ago from maybe (the guy or girl) next door

    I had one of mine moved to the pethelpful niche. They totally screwed up my hubpage when they did it, I had to spend a day fixing changes they made that were obviously senseless, then I opted out from them doing so again. You can opt out in your profile settings.

    I must say though after a couple months I'm getting 3-4 times the volume I used to get on that hubpage, and before they moved it it was the highest volume page of all mine.

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    Jack Lee 8 months ago from Yorktown NY

    Tsad, that is good to know. Good luck going forward.

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    Ralph Schwartz 6 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    So, the fix was in. Hillary won, America lost

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    Jack Lee 6 months ago from Yorktown NY

    Unfortunately, the FBI was politicized aswas the IRS under this corrupt Administration....

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    Ralph Schwartz 6 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    I think Comey wanted to indict but his handlers said no

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    Jack Lee 6 months ago from Yorktown NY

    He should have resigned in protest. That would have been the honorable thing to do.

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    Ralph Schwartz 6 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Agreed, now he has Zero credibility - poor guy was used and chucked under the bus

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    Jack Lee 6 months ago from Yorktown NY

    He was part of the machine. I don't cut him any slack. He took his time to investigate, delay and delay and in the last moment, pull out the rug. Where is the perjury indictment?

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    Ralph Schwartz 6 months ago from Idaho Falls, Idaho

    Congress needs to get her back so she can answer why she lied to them earlier...

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