Donald J. Trump: Unbridled and Extreme Hedonist

Updated on July 26, 2018
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ME has spent most of his retirement from service to the United States studying, thinking, and writing about the country he served.

About the Title

"Unbridled and Extreme Hedonism" is the title of a paper written by Dr. Philip Zimbardo1 and Rosemary Sword2. The authors conclude that one of Donald Trump's many issues is "Extreme Present Day Hedonism." It's extreme because it drowns out other balancing "time perspectives" that lead to a healthy personality. This field of study is just one that is used to help understand our unprecedented president.

This paper, along with many others is included in the book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump by Bandy X. Lee, Ph.D., M. Div. which is a compendium of papers by a variety of mental health experts which examine the vast public record on the behavior of Donald Trump. I will address other papers in future articles.

1Philip Zimbardo, Ph.D., Professor Emeritus at Stanford University, is a scholar, educator, and researcher

2 Rosemary Sword is a counselor and Time Perspective Therapist, coauthor of The Time Cure: Overcoming PTSD with the New Psychology of Time Perspective Therapy and Living and Loving Better With Time Perspective Therapy: Healing from the Past, Embracing the Present, Creating an Ideal Future

Duty to Warn

This begins my review of an extremely disturbing and startling book by Bandy Lee, MD., M.Div. who organized the Yale "Duty to Warn" Conference. It is a compendium of essays submitted by mental health experts from all fields who explore various aspects of Donald Trump's mental health. While the topics differ, the unambiguous common thread is that -

Donald Trump is a danger to himself, the United States, and the world.

To kick off our look at what these phychiatrists and other mental health professionals, let me give you the disclaimer from the book's introduction (p. 19):

"In spite of its title, I [Dr. Lee] would like to emphasize that the main point of this book is not about Mr. Trump. It is about the larger context that has given rise to his presidency, and the greater population that he affects by virtue of his position. The ascendancy of an individual with such impairments speaks to our general state of health and well-being as a nation, and to how we can respond: we can either improve it or further impair it. Mental disorder does not distinguish between political parties, and as professionals devoted to promoting mental health, including public mental health, our duty should be clear; to steer patients and the public on a path toward health so that genuine discussions of political choice, unimpeded by emotional compulsion or defense, can occur. Embracing our "duty to warn," as our professional training and ethics lead us to do at times of danger, therefore involves not only sounding an alarm but continually educating and engaging in dialogue our fellow human beings, as this compilation aspires to do."

So let us begin.

To Warn or Not To Warn

Do you think mental health professionals have a "duty to warn" society when their training and experience lead them to believe someone is a societal danger even though they have not interviewed them?

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Dehumanization

The Time Perspective

The subtitle to this paper is: How the Leader of the Free World Has Proven Time and Again He is Unfit for Duty. Authors: Dr. Philip Zimbardo and Rosemary Sword

This is the first paper in Lee's book The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump. It explores1 a related set of characteristics that strongly suggests Donald Trump is mentally unfit to be President of the United States. Their area of expertise is a theory called Time Perspective. To understand this, a few definitions are in order.

Definitions

  • Past Positive: People who focus on the good things that have happened
  • Past Negative: People who focus on the negative things that have happened
  • Present Hedonism: people who live in the moment – seeking pleasure, novelty, and sensation, and avoiding pain
  • Present Fatalism: people who feel that decisions are moot because predetermined fate plays the guiding role in life: “What will be, will be.”
  • Future Positive: People who plan for the future thinking things will work out
  • Future Negative: People who feel the future is predetermined and apocalyptic or they have no future orientation.

These are ideas used in Time Perspective Therapy (TPT) which psychiatrists use to help them understand the people they are observing. "Normal" people have a healthy time perspective in all of these areas with no particular bias toward any. People who have less of a grip on reality favor one or more of these attributes over others. Since there are three time periods, there are three biases:

  1. Past Bias: Good and bad things happen to everyone. Past Positive bias is where people tend to often see things through the proverbial "rose-colored glasses" while Past Negative people use much darker-colored glasses. People who focus too much on the past tend to value Old over New; Familiar over Novel; a cautious conservative approach vs a more daring, liberal or riskier one.
  2. Present Bias: People who predominantly live in the present are little influenced by either past or future considerations. They focus mostly on what is happening NOW. Decisions are based on immediate needs and wants and what others are urging them to do.
  3. Future Bias: How people react to Past and Present bias' help determine their Future bias. Those who live in stable family and stable economic/political situations, have learned to trust what is said to them and to believe promises will be kept, and are educated tend to Future Positives. Those stuck in the past along with the associated negativism see no point in even planning for the future.

Experience has shown that healthy, well-adjusted individuals exhibit the following time perspectives:

  • High past positive with low past negative
  • Low present fatalism associated with moderate present hedonism
  • Moderately high future positive orientation

On the other hand, unhealthy, maladjusted people show they are:

  • High past negative with low past positive
  • High present fatalism and/or high high present hedonism
  • Low or no future orientation

So, how does all of this relate to Donald Trump? Well, when Trump was thirteen, he was summarily sent off to military school; effectively abandoned by his parents; banished from the lavish household he had become accustomed to. By any standard, the authors feel this was an extremely traumatizing experience. One so severe that it could (and they feel did) arrest his development. And if true, then one consequence is a high degree of present hedonism.

As the authors note

"[Adults] suffering from arrested emotional development, usually caused by childhood trauma, are also present hedonists. Without therapy, the ability to mature emotionally beyond the age of trauma is difficult to impossible. When they reach adulthood, they may be able to hide their lack of emotional maturity for periods, but then, when in a stressful situation, they revert to behaving the emotional age they were when they were first traumatized."

And by his own admission, he hasn't changed that much since he was in the first grade. Further, most biographies are in agreement that young Trump was a loud-mouthed bully.

Zimbardo and Sword then go on to say that if the trauma was particularly severe, the adult might morph into "extreme present hedonism" (EPH); and here is where we find Trump today. An EPH will:

"say or do anything at any time for purposes of self-aggrandizement and to shield themselves from previous negatively perceived activities, with no thought of the future or the effects of their actions."

Coupled with paranoia, this is the most dangerous set of attributes a person with power can have. They offer a case in point about this behavior.

  1. Trump tweets "How low has President Obama gone to tapp [sic] my phones during the very sacred election process. Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!" (Associated Press 2017)
  2. As a result, members of his staff scrambled to find evidence to make the false and slanderous claim "real".
  3. This one EPH tweet has led to multiple probes into the Trump campaign's possible Russian connections (which he repeatedly now calls a 'witch hunt")

Almost by definition, a person that is an EPH lacks compassion and foresight, has a propensity to dehumanize people, and, in order to justify their outrageous claims, lies a lot. All of which are also traits of narcissism and bullying.

Examples

The question is, does Donald Trump exhibit any of these? It would seem so.

DEHUMANIZATION:

"Sometimes, part of making a deal is denigrating your competition" (Art of the Deal, 1987)

"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best ...They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing these problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people" (speech, June 16, 2015)

"Written by a nice reporter. Now the poor guy. You ought to see this guy" (See video above to understand how dehumanizing this was.)

Would anybody disagree this is extreme dehumanizing behavior?

LYING

"Made in America? @BarrackObama called his 'birthplace' Hawaii 'here in Asia'" (twitter, Nov 18, 2011)

"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down ... And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering." (Nov 21, 2015. No such thing happened.)

"In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide (by 90,000 votes), I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally"(Twitter Nov 27, 2016; extremely few people voted illegally)

These are a few of the over 3,000 documented Mostly False, False, or Pants-on-Fire Lies which Donald J. Trump has uttered since he became President. Of course we aren't counting the 1,000 more he made during the campaign.

MISOGYNY

"You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her - whatever?" (CNN interview Aug, 2015)

"Look at that face! [presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina] Would anybody vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president? ... I mean, she's a woman and I am not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious? (Rolling Stone interview Sep 9, 2015)

"When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything .... Grab 'em by the pussy ... You can do anything" (hot mike on Access Hollywood in 2005)

The only way this isn't Misogyny is if you believe these are three of Trump's 3,000+ lies.

PARANOIA

"The world is a vicious and brutal place. We think we're civilized. In truth, it's a cruel world and people are ruthless. They are nice to your face, but underneath they're out to kill you ... Even your friends are out to get you: they want your job, they want your house, they want your money, they want your wife, and they even want your dog. Those are your friends; your enemies are even worse!" (Think Big: Make it Happen in Business and Life, 2007)

"My motto is 'Hire the best people, and don't trust them' "(Think Big: Make it Happen in Business and Life, 2007)

"If you have smart people working for you, they'll try to screw you if they think they can do better without you. (Daily Mail, Oct 30, 2010)

What other definition of paranoia can there be than these Trump quotes?

RACISM

"You haven't been called, go back to Univision" (when dismissing Latino reporter Jorge Ramos at an Iowa rally, Aug 2015)

"Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" (rally in Charleston, SC Dec 2015)

"Look at my African American over there. Look at him? (California, June 2016)

While these statements are terrible in their own right, the jury is still out if Donald Trump is a true racists like many of his most ardent supporters are.

SELF-AGGANDIZEMENT

"I'm, like, a really smart person" (during interview July 11, 2015)

"It's very hard for them to attack me on my looks, because I am so good looking" (interview Aug 7, 2015)

"I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I have said a lot of things ... My primary consultant is myself." (interview March 16, 2016)

He has also called himself a stable genius several times.

Having explored Extreme Present Hedonism, the authors turn to two other related, synergistic traits - narcissism and bullying. Traits Zimbardo and Sword easily attribute to Trump. For example,

NARCISSISM

"I ALONE CAN FIX IT!" (Republican National Convention, July 2016)

Can extreme narcissism be any clearer? I think not. I'll leave it there, since this will be covered in much more detail in the next article, and turn to bullying.

BULLYING

Bullying is defined as systematically and chronically inflicting physical hurt and/or psychological distress on one or more people. Bullying is:

  • Often learned at home
  • Often caused by stress in the bully's life
  • Bully's have often been abused at home
  • Bully's generally have very low self-esteem
  • Bully's bully in order to feel superior.
  • Consequently, their targets are who they perceive as weaker, inferior, and/or different

Zimbardo and Sword identify six types of bullying:

  1. Physical Bullying: Use of physical actions to gain power and control over their target.
  2. Verbal Bullying: Use of words, statements, and name-calling to gain power and control over their target. Verbal bullies use relentless insults to belittle, demean, and hurt others.
  3. Prejudicial Bullying: Can encompass some or all of the other types of bullying when directed at someone or group that is "different"; which opens the door to hate crimes.
  4. Relational (emotional) Aggression: Uses social manipulation in order to ostracize others to gain social standing and control over others.
  5. Cyberbullying: Uses the Internet and other technology to harass, threaten, embarrass another person. Also known as Cyber-harassment or cyber-stalking.
  6. Sexual Bullying: Uses repeated, harmful, and humiliating actions. These might include sexual name-calling, crude comments vulgar gestures, unwanted touching, and sexual propositioning. Sexual assault often follows.

Of the six types of bullying the authors identify, I feel (and it should be obvious to all) that the decades long recorded history of Trump supports four of them (the authors think all six apply): Verbal, Prejudicial, Relational, and Sexual. The authors correctly point out that up until the 2016 presidential election, most of America thought of bullying as abnormal behavior. After that date, it appears fully 1/3 of American voters now view bullying as "acceptable" behavior given they ignored clear evidence of this feature in the person they voted for - Donald J. Trump.

WARNING!

The authors of this piece and all of the others go to great pain to convince the readers of two things: 1) without sitting down with Donald Trump, they cannot definitively diagnose him with any particular disorder or no disorder at all and 2) because there is such a treasure trove of documented history about Trump they, with their training and experience, are quite capable of making very educated assessments about the likelihood of whether Donald J. Trump is a danger to society or not.

While exhibiting one or a few of the traits common to mental disorder is not particularly noteworthy, exhibiting such a large number of these warning signs in one person as well as to extreme degrees some of these symptoms are presented does indicate the distinct possibility of mental illness. These two mental health professionals, as well as all of the others, have concluded that they have a professional Duty to Warn America that President Trump is very likely a danger to our country and the world.

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    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      13 days ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      1) Fox News OPINION is the propaganda arm for Trump and conservatives and 2) you should read and listen to real news TSAD. Trump has always been a racist and takes after his father.

      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/every-moment...

    • tsadjatko profile image

      2 weeks ago from https:// www.consumeraffairs.com/ online/ hubpages. html

      No one ever claimed Trump was a racist until he ran for President - what everything did you read? Or was that just another of your lies with no references.

      The real hedonists are people on the left, the MSM and you ME which is exactly why The left's contempt is going to reelect Trump

      http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/07/04/marc-thi...

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      2 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Interesting, ptosis. Everything I have read indicates Trump has exhibited racist tendencies since youth. I don't recall any of the things you say about Manafort, but then other than what Mueller is finding, I don't know much about him.

      On the other hand, Steve Bannon fits your description about Manafort to a Tee.

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      ptosis 

      2 weeks ago from Arizona

      Run-of-the-mill racism is not considered mental, only extreme racism. Trump campaign went 'dog whistle' racist after Manafort came on board. https://www.facingsouth.org/2017/11/paul-manaforts...

      Manfort has been doing this type of dog whistle stuff for a very, long, time.

      "The racially divisive tactics pioneered by Manafort and his colleagues remain a feature of U.S. politics today, though they've been adapted to the times by exploiting white resentment toward Latinos and immigrants as well as African Americans.

      After Manafort joined the Trump operation as chair in March 2016, political observers noticed a change in the campaign's tone. Trump stopped with the blatantly outrageous statements, such as saying protesters deserve to be punched in the face, and instead deployed new messaging about threats to "our way of life," and of crime and violence and the need for safety to "be restored."

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      2 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Google Obama-McConnell

      Assassination - yes Google it.

      Family and daughters - yes they did, many times. Google it

      Conservative - all your writing reeks of it.

      What people? Thinking people; you know, those that are capable of critical thinking; 70% of Americans that believe every word Trump says.

      Nope, not at war, just subjects of Putin if Trump can get away with it.

      Intelligence - about 90+% of the time given 9/11 was the last time foreigners attacked America although many have tried since.

      I won't vote for him in 2020 because I expect he will be impeached by then

      Saying things - What a strange thing to say in America; you are in America aren't you?

    • tsadjatko profile image

      2 weeks ago from https:// www.consumeraffairs.com/ online/ hubpages. html

      Brad is right on every point he makes but guess what - that means nothing to hate filled hipocrit TDS sufferers like Esoteric.

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      BradMastersOCcal 

      2 weeks ago

      "And you don't think the all-out assault you conservatives waged trying to make Obama a one-term president wasn't un-American?"

      B:

      First, I only like Trump and a few republicans.

      Second, when did the republicans come out and say they were going resist the Obama? And say it from the election night and continue it for two years?

      Did anyone talk about assassinating him, did all the MSM and Hollywood continue everyday with the F..K Trump and did groups do the same thing that is happening to president Trump. Did they call for impeach everyday, did they riot against him?

      Did the conservatives go after Obama's family including his daughters

      The answer to these questions and more is NO.

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      You didn't care that your belligerency perceptibly slowed down the recovery from a conservative inspired near-depression and increased the suffering of Americans. No, it was much more important to destroy the president.

      B:

      Totally incoherent, and I really don't care. President Bush was a horrible president along with his father. Not matter what you think or say, I am not a conservative.

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      Back to Trump. It is he that is un-American. Thinking people are trying to save America from him.

      B:

      What people, did you read this statement of yours?

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      What Trump did in Helsinki was nothing short of traitorous, just as the Republican former director of national intelligence claimed.

      B:

      We are not at war!

      MisDirector of National Intelligence. When was the last time that the intelligence agencies got it right? It must have been way earlier than Pearl Harbor.

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      I suspect Trump will drive America into a bad recession in 2019 because of his trade war

      B:

      If he does than don't vote for him in 2020.

      You would rather have the US go into a bad recession than say something good about president Trump. And that is democrats for America!

      Their platform of raising the taxes, and then giving the revenue to support illegal aliens. How American, while the US has a serious homeless and drug problem. The democrats are going to bring in more illegal aliens. Remember that the aliens that came into the US in the late 1800s and early 1900s were vetted and came into the country legally. They were given nothing by the government except permission to stay in the US.

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      . Why can I predict that? Because there has NEVER been a trade war that wasn't quickly followed by a major recession; the last one was the Great 1929 Depression. We haven't had a president stupid enough to start one until Trump came along.

      B:

      Why, because that is not your prediction, it is your wish simply because your queen is a two time presidential loser. And your Obama is a traitor as we will see when all the evidence of the silent coup he orchestrated and how your elite intelligence agencies conspired with him. The FBI conspired with the DOJ and Obama to give Hillary Clinton a get out of jail free.

      What former president has been so unAmerican going around the world apologizing and bowing to foreign nations than Obama.

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      Why does he think he can defeat history? Because of his malignant narcissism and extreme present hedonism.

      B:

      Why do you think it is OK to say these things about the sitting president of the US. You have some weird idea about this country, and being an American.

      I would rather be deplorable than unAmerican that you are proud to be.

      What is missing in your whole tirade is any semblance of using facts. You made these comments into an emotional rant on your part.

      I was hoping to have a rational conversation with you on the content of this article, but you chose to take it to cheap shots, and slurs against the president.

      If I were to do what you do, I would probably write a hub on how you and others here have gone way past TDS into a full mental breakdown.

      I don't even think that there is medication that can help your mental breakdown.

      How have the democrat politicians upheld their oath of office since Trump became president? How have they done anything for the US and its people, and illegal aliens are just that illegal.

      What is there platform for 2018 and 2020.

      With the help of the democrats, the real democrats of old this country could be the best it has ever been. But they chose to be the democrats that brought us the Civil War.

      You have many opportunities to argue your points, but when you don't have answers, you give these kinds of comments.

      Final chance

      What would it take today to stop this democrat insanity? And why and how would it work?

      Yes, I am asking what is your solution and how and why it is better than what we have today? :)

    • tsadjatko profile image

      2 weeks ago from https:// www.consumeraffairs.com/ online/ hubpages. html

      What trade war? The market certainly isn’t running from a trade war and I guess you missed this,

      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk...

      more proof Trump’s not starting a trade war but using the threat of tariffs to get what he wants, and that’s why he succeeds at everything he does.

      Try again ME, there must be more garbage you can make up.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      2 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      And you don't think the all-out assault you conservatives waged trying to make Obama a one-term president wasn't un-American? You didn't care that your belligerency perceptibly slowed down the recovery from a conservative inspired near-depression and increased the suffering of Americans. No, it was much more important to destroy the president.

      Back to Trump. It is he that is un-American. Thinking people are trying to save America from him. What Trump did in Helsinki was nothing short of traitorous, just as the Republican former director of national intelligence claimed.

      I suspect Trump will drive America into a bad recession in 2019 because of his trade war. Why can I predict that? Because there has NEVER been a trade war that wasn't quickly followed by a major recession; the last one was the Great 1929 Depression. We haven't had a president stupid enough to start one until Trump came along.

      Why does he think he can defeat history? Because of his malignant narcissism and extreme present hedonism.

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      BradMasterOCcal 

      2 weeks ago

      ME

      This article is just a delusional (TDS) and unAmerican attempt to remove a sitting president with no facts, no relevance, and no reference to proving any of it.

      Mike said that this article had nothing to do with the 25th amendment, and I am still waiting for his response as to what is intended result. If you want to do something that is American, than simply wait for the next election and vote. We have Obama's 8 year record to judge and analyze but you want to take snapshots of instant events and then use your expertise to play it out as if it is a reality.

      I would have thought that the 2016 election would have sobered up those knee jerk reflexes.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      2 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks Kathleen, I appreciate supportive your comment.

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      Kathleen Cochran 

      2 weeks ago from Atlanta, Georgia

      I'm impressed that this is an actual article, not just a tirade on somebody's Q&A. The comments on those things are often as long as an article but are missing the thought and research that goes into an actual article like this one. Good work and information that is greatly needed right now.

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      BradMasterOCcal 

      2 weeks ago

      Oh, give me a break, Brad. I know you are not that naive so don't pretend to be.

      B:

      Red Herring

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      As to who "they" are - don't fake that you don't know. If you don't - just google it.

      B:

      If I knew I wouldn't have asked, if you knew you would tell. Another ME herring:)

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      Nobody knows what Melania is thinking or doing, for that matter. The only fact is that she hasn't divorced him - YET. A billion dollars and being First Lady is a lot of incentive to keep her mouth shut for now. That said, while to much can't be read into body language, what can be seen is ALL negative.

      B:

      This again is a red herring, or cherry herring.

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      As to my article, you are certainly entitled to your opinion about its validity.

      B:

      It has no validity, and you can't avoid answering without showing the kink as it is all opinion. A fatty burger with GMO flecks of meat:)

      Speaking of which, I just stuck the fork in your article, it is done, and rejected:) :)

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    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      2 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Oh, give me a break, Brad. I know you are not that naive so don't pretend to be.

      As to who "they" are - don't fake that you don't know. If you don't - just google it.

      Nobody knows what Melania is thinking or doing, for that matter. The only fact is that she hasn't divorced him - YET. A billion dollars and being First Lady is a lot of incentive to keep her mouth shut for now. That said, while to much can't be read into body language, what can be seen is ALL negative.

      As to my article, you are certainly entitled to your opinion about its validity.

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      BradMasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago

      Brad - you ask "Your observations are factual? How does that become a fact?" Like this: When I look up and see the sun shining, it is a fact that it is daylight. See? Observation, then Fact.

      B:

      How does Mikes observations about Trump become a fact?

      One could also argue that there are times when you can't see the Sun and it is still daylight.

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      When I observe Trump flailing his arms around making fun of a disabled reported, it is a fact that he was 1) being a bully and 2) dehumanizing the reporter.

      B:

      ME get over that, it is only your subjective feeling of an incident. That is not a fact. It could be interpreted in many different ways.

      https://www.catholics4trump.com/the-true-story-don...

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      When I observe Trump telling lie after lie after lie - all provable - then it is a fact that he is a serial liar.

      See how it works?

      B:

      No we haven't agreed on what is a lie, and with your count of 3000 plus we have a long time to do it.

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      Also, since PTSD is real and this fictional TDS is not, there is no point in even discussing your fake what ever it is.

      B:

      Your whole article is fictional and we are discussing it.

      In fact, it is based on the same kind of logic that is being implemented on this hub.

      People on the left have been stuck on Trump wining the presidency. And we even have proof on you tube where people wept like little children and others did their imitation of the fabled Chicken Little.

      Trauma was and is the Trauma as it is in PSTD cited by your authors for this article. But you don't want to use the same logic that you use for Trump, and most of it once again has no reference to president Trump.

      Read the symptoms for PTSD and show me why it is not the same as TDS?

      BTW is F...k Trump a normal or abnormal. is cutting and mocking the beheading of president Trump normal. Or is talk about hiring a hit man (Rosie O) to take out the president normal. The answer to these and similar questions is NO.

      Calling these people TDS is kind compared to a more accurate calling them Psychos.:)

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      BradMasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago

      "Is an adulterer

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpol...

      B: Where are the facts?

      He says no, she says yes and without a court decision these are just utterances."

      More correct is "He says no, THEY SAY yes and without a court decision these are just utterances." The THEY make them more than utterances, they make a strong circumstantial case.

      B:

      Who is they, and what is the case.

      Adultery is not a crime!

      And out of all my comments you still haven't answered, you chose this one:)

      Seriously dude is the best that you have about president Trump. Trump wasn't eve president when this allegation was made, and the event was how long ago?

      The bottom line if Melania is OK with Donald Trump and their marriage is still working, then why should you care?

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Brad - you ask "Your observations are factual? How does that become a fact?" Like this: When I look up and see the sun shining, it is a fact that it is daylight. See? Observation, then Fact.

      When I observe Trump flailing his arms around making fun of a disabled reported, it is a fact that he was 1) being a bully and 2) dehumanizing the reporter.

      When I observe Trump telling lie after lie after lie - all provable - then it is a fact that he is a serial liar.

      See how it works?

      Also, since PTSD is real and this fictional TDS is not, there is no point in even discussing your fake what ever it is.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      "Is an adulterer

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpol...

      B: Where are the facts?

      He says no, she says yes and without a court decision these are just utterances."

      More correct is "He says no, THEY SAY yes and without a court decision these are just utterances." The THEY make them more than utterances, they make a strong circumstantial case.

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      BradMasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago

      Mike

      My replies can be found at

      https://hubpages.com/politics/Mike-and-the-mechani...

      You can take this hub and create it on your site, and I will delete mine if you do.. We are off scope on ME's site.

      I also don't do soapie

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      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Continued from previous comment:

      B1: You think that get energy resources from the United States domestically is a bad thing. When it allows the US to be self-reliant and not get punished by other countries. Like when OPEC punished us with two artificial oil shortages in the 70s because we backed our Allie Israel.

      M1: Extracting shale oil pollutes our rivers and streams. Oil is a finite commodity, Trump should be looking at alternate renewable energy sources and raising the standards for cars, not lowering them to fill the pockets of the oil companies.

      B1: The main obstacle president Trump from more accomplishments are the resistance from democrats and Rinos. Working against the president is not working for the country.

      M1: Why doesn’t the president make a move to bring the democrats into the fold. Whey does he only rally and campaign to his base? Because his twisted ego requires adoration from his people. Why does he have to call the real news fake news and keep the country divided? Why does he keep tweeting disparaging comments about the real news? Why does he say, "Stick with us. Don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. ... What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening."?

      B1a: The American process to get rid of the president, once again, is by voting him out. The resistance and the blame game started even before he took office, and increased and continues today. Where is the separation from the democrat party and the main stream media? We are not talking criticism with the media, they are the offensive arm of the militant democrats that has one purpose take down a sitting president!

      And you have Obama left overs in the Executive Branch that were and still are doing the same thing. Is that the American way that the democrats keep saying the Trump is not doing?

      The American Way wouldn't be to have people in the government try a silent coup. It wouldn't be using the media to distribute the democrat party line. And it isn't the American Way not to use the voting power of the Democrat Republic that we have in the US.

      The democrats could have submitted their bills, their vision for America and even if they couldn't pass them, the voters would be voting for them in the next election. That is the American Way, and why America was the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

      But today, the democrats are using the playbook of the CIA that they use to take down governments around the world.

      A country where Americans are treated as foreigner, and illegal aliens are treated like Americans. We are so different, we are different species.

      M1: Starting with paragraph B1a, you make assertions and accusations without any supporting evidence and then say, “that is not the American way.” Oh, those are only your opinions?...O.K.

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      B1: Actually you will find out this November how much Trump owns, and how little the democrats really own. Trump needs to get non establishment people on both sides, but he can't even get rid of the enemies festering in his branch of the government. Thanks to the democrats and their investigations. The democrats have also divided the country, and that is their claim to fame in history. You cherry picked past those comments didn’t you.

      M1: Let me caution you. Mueller, Sessions, and Rosenstein are all republicans. It is not about collusion. It is about Russian conspiracy to influence our elections. It is still ongoing ask Senator. Claire McCaskill. Oh! that’s right, you don’t believe in the printed word.

      https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/arti...

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      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Mike

      M: Brad: Enlighten me. What accomplishments has Trump made?"

      B1: I am not going to play your rope a dope game.

      M1: So, you think I’m tiring you out, so that I can win the argument? I’m the one who is doing all the work. How much effort do you think it takes to do the research on all those claims to only have you discredit them?

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      M: How can the democrats do anything for the country when they are completely out of power. The GOP and Trump now own every move they make. Trump will still try to blame the democrats and Hillary and Obama, but it's over.

      B1: No they don't because they don't have enough votes. Your answer avoids the real problem which is their boasted resistance to president Trump. No they don't own every move because of the democrat resistance.

      M1: Please give me statistics on what policies the Democrats have been able to stop since Trump took office.

      B1: They can at least fake it that they care about America and Americans, and legal immigrants.

      M1: So you are implying that liberals don’t care about America and legal immigrants. They care more than trump does. when he summarily splits over 2,300 children from their parents. And now he has to bring them back together under a court order. As of today, he has now missed two of the deadlines. Shall we try for number three? What a mess, he, Sessions, and Stephen miller, and have made of this whole situation.

      B1: Why do they want open borders, and yet don't want to change the immigration laws that they claim Trump is misusing. Billions of dollars of illegal drugs, human trafficking, gun running and other contraband. Why isn't that important to stop?

      M1: We don’t want open borders, we want reasonable laws the benefit everybody. Who is going to work in the fields, hotels, car washes, and construction work, et al?

      B1:Again, stop playing the rope a dope game.

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      M1: The link I listed for Trump's hypocrisy is what I have observed. Why do I have to describe it in my own words? So that you can say, "It's just your opinion." I'm not playing that game.

      B1: Why because it should be your opinion and you should be able to tell why it is so, and what does it mean. Actually, nothing because you won't tell us what is the impact on the country and the people.

      M1: The same goes for you.

      B1: This is your typical passive aggressive response since I have known you.

      M1: The typical response I have known you for is that you want to play judge, jury, and attorney for the defense. Nothing I write or post is ever good enough for you. Everything I have ever posted is not compelling enough evidence…and you say I’m playing a game. I can play a lawyer as well.

      Do you deny Trump Is a misogynist? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is a name caller? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is an exaggerator? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is a deflector? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is an adulterer? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is a racist? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is a blamer of others for his mistakes? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is a divider? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is vindictive? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump is an actor? Yes or No

      Do you deny Trump Is a hypocrite? Yes or No

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      M: If you can't believe the printed word from valid sources then you are truly in denial, just like everybody else who is in denial and makes excuses for his behavior.

      B1: That is the problem with people, just because it is in print, or on the new, or on the Internet doesn't mean that it is a fact, much less true. What valid sources, even Fox News isn't a valid source. And the more that people think that and parrot their opinions the less intelligent are those people.

      B1: It is like the people that rely on the calculator to do their math, and without the calculator they have no idea on how to do it. So without the valid sources, I have asked you many times for your opinion. But I get, the rope a dope Mike the deflector.

      M1: Either you want facts or you want my opinion. The truth is it really doesn’t matter to you because neither will satisfy your need because you are in denial and don’t accept my facts or opinion.

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      M1: It's all about hope and change for Trump supporters. You hope Trump's changes succeed, just like we did with Obama. You are no different. You are just sitting on the other side of the fence.

      B1: Trump is the only president that actually put the country and the people ahead of the party, and the establishment. The establishment are the nest political power politicians that retired on the job. They are the ones that created these problems. Trump has the biggest advantage over any politician because he didn't cause any of it. The fact that both parties don't like him is the key to why the people like him. What should we have kept from the 8 years of Obama and 4 years of Hillary and 4 years of Kerry?

      M1: Trump ran and was elected as a republican; therefore, now he owns everything about the republican party, whether good or bad. The GOP loves Trump, because as he creates chaotic smoke screens with all of his antics, they work behind the scenes to get their legislation passed that benefits them and the super-rich. Here is one example of deregulation that will cause the same type of financial meltdown that happened in 2008. Oh! that’s right, you don’t believe the printed word. We should have kept the financial regulations that Obama put in place.

      https://a.msn.com/r/2/BBL9ef2?m=en-us&ocid=Mon...

      ------------------------------------

      B1: I don't have a vested interest in defending any of the previous presidents. I suppose you like the future of democrat controlled US, and the future is here in CA. This is the type of government that you vote democrat for?

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      M: Character in a person means a lot. You cannot separate the character from his or her actions, especially in a president. A person who does all of those things that I have listed cannot be trusted to be president.

      B1: You made this up, and you can't tell us how these factors have kept him from performing and accomplishing things from his campaign promises.

      M1: That’s part of the problem, he is trying to accomplish things from his campaign promise, like bringing back dirty coal, and steel workers. Those ships have sailed. The technology and global economy have gone way beyond that. But he keeps giving false hope to those out of work people.

      B1: You think that Pelosi, Waters, Schumer, Feinstein, Warren have character, they are just characters?

      M1: Character is about integrity. They have more integrity in their little finger than Trump has in his whole body. I know you hate them, because you have been told how evil, they all are.

      M1: Thanks for proving my point. When I voice my opinion, I’m just making stuff up. God forbid that I’m right.

      B1:Tell me again, why he shouldn't be trusted?

      B1: You don't think that making progress in North Korea, Syria and Iran is not an accomplishment.

      M1: What progress? In North Korea, Kim blew up a more than likely defunct missile site. Big deal. What progress has he mad in Syria? To my knowledge, Bashar Al Assad is still in power, Russia is still using barrel bombs and gas to kill Al Assad’s own people, and ISIS is still on the loose.

      B1: You don't think that the tax cut was an accomplishment.

      M1: That tax cut is going to cost 1.7 trillion over the next ten years. The purpose of that tax cut is to make money flow from the middle class to the super-rich. Prove to me otherwise.

      B1: You think that the trade deficit before Trump became president was working for the US?

      M1: It’s better than what we have now. Ask any farmer whose crops have gone to hell. He is now going to subsidize them with 12 Billion borrowed from China. That will increase our national debt by that and more as we pay it back in interest to the Chinese. The tax payers are ultimately paying for that debt.

      Continued on next comment.

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      BradMasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago

      ME

      What are not Facts!

      you say

      "WARNING"!

      The authors of this piece and all of the others go to great pain to convince the readers of two things: without sitting down with Donald Trump, they cannot definitively diagnose him with any particular disorder or no disorder at all and

      B:

      These are not facts and admitted by the author.

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      because there is such a treasure trove of documented history about Trump they, with their training and experience, are quite capable of making very educated assessments

      B:

      Educated Assessments are also not facts.

      Also the treasure trove on Trump are not necessarily facts, and if facts they need to be verified and authenticated.

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      about the likelihood of whether Donald J. Trump is a danger to society or not.

      B:

      Likelihood - Also not a fact

      Danger to society or not is an ambiguous, subjective, and vague statement indicating opinion at the very best.

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      While exhibiting one or a few of the traits common to mental disorder

      B:

      Mental disorder is also vague, ambiguous, and irrelevant.

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      is not particularly noteworthy, exhibiting such a large number of these warning signs in one person

      B:

      Large number of opinions doesn't equal facts! Does it?

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      as well as to extreme degrees some of these symptoms

      B:

      Extreme degrees, probably on the part of these authors.

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      are presented does indicate the distinct possibility

      B:

      Possibility and probability are not facts, they are guesses at best.

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      of mental illness.

      B:

      Mental illness? What you have in this article are traits and attributes. They would only be bad if the person couldn't function in day to day living. This certainly doesn't apply to president Trump as he has one of the toughest jobs in the world, And it is made tougher by all those backstabbers in congress, that do exhibit real mental problems like TDS.

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      These two mental health professionals,

      B:

      Being professional only means you get paid, it has nothing to do with competence.

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      as well as all of the others,

      B:

      What others? You just can't make it compelling saying "others".

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      have concluded

      B:

      Who asked them to make any conclusions?

      And are they the Supreme Court of deciding whom has a mental disorder, whatever that means?

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      that they have a professional Duty to Warn America that President Trump

      B:

      What authority requires them to make their medical opinions a warning to America? Where does it say that they are required to make these opinions, and then without any proof or truth disseminate them around the world. What that sounds like is Defamation. In which case they would have one defense, the Truth And opinions are not a substitute for the truth.

      -----------------------------

      is very likely a danger to our country and the world.

      B:

      The use of the word "likely" is not synonymous with fact or truth. It is at best construed as a propensity.

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      And these paragraphs from your article indicate that the article is factless, meaningless, not meant to help, but to make a political attack on the sitting president of the United States.

      Donald Trump is the president and if they wanted to do something they should have done it during his campaign. Most of all of your references in this article are about Donald Trump and very little on president Trump.

      This article might be entertaining if it was the only attack on president Trump, but it is one of hundreds using various angles to accomplish the same goal. That goal is to vindicate that Hillary Clinton is not an incompetent two time presidential candidate loser.

      Why have these authors focused solely on Trump?

      What is a real danger to the country is the divide the country goal of the left. The left in congress, the left in the media, and the left in Hollywood and sports. These are not patriots they and others have a deck full of jokers.

      Their goal and their implementation to achieve that goal through division of the country is the most serious threat to this country. And these authors have no interest in warning America about that problem.

      A country that is divided can be conquered, and that is what the left and their supporters are doing. Attacking people that don't agree with that is also a danger to the country.

      Do we want the left to repeat their goals from 1860, and 1964?

      I have tried to comment on your arguments. I don't understand them, and I don't find them compelling to make your point or any point. I try real hard to focus on your content, but I lose focus when you don't take my comments seriously.

      As for these authors, consensus doesn't equate to facts and truth. The election predictions from 2016 that didn't give Trump any chance to win kept coming from the biased media until they were found to be totally wrong when the results came in that night. That is a fact, and it is verified on you tube which showed all of these predictions, some of them very scientific but in the end, they were simple wrong.

      That is the same situation that we have here with your authors.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      Give me some examples of your facts?

      You have a queue of comments from me, and instead of telling me why I am not correct, you just make this comment!

      "Mike, do you notice how Brad derides us for having drawn conclusions from our observations of Trump (he calls them opinions)

      B:

      Your observations are facts? How does that become a fact?

      Tell me why they are not opinions!

      I thought you and I were past this kind of commentary, and we were at the point of discussing and making arguments to support our positions. How is your comment, addressed to Mike talking about me support your position? I am disappointed.

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      and the facts which we offer plenty of while he opines away himself, generally without the benefit of facts"

      B:

      What you call facts are media opinions?

      You have an opportunity to show me where I went wrong, but you choose this passive aggressive response.

      I even used your Dr Zs previous book to show how the symptoms of PTSD are also TDS symptoms. And the only difference between the two of them is the type of trauma. In TDS, once again the Trauma was Trump trouncing Hillary Clinton for the presidency and that is a fact.

      It is also a fact that Trump did it with only half of the war chest had by Hillary Clinton. It is also a fact that he did more campaigning then did Hillary. It is also a fact that the Democrat congressional member vowed to resist the president of the US, and it is also a fact that they have tried to blame him for everything that is wrong with the country when he took office. They have done nothing but oppose him, and at the same time they have offered nothing to submit as a better plan.

      These are all facts, and they are common knowledge and can be verified. Unlike the kind of arguments given by Mike such as

      M: There is no need to for me to provide evidence of these accusation as they are self evident truths. What bothers me is your denial. You are behaving the same way the German populace did by looking the other when he blamed the Jews for Germany's downfall after WWI.

      B1:

      There you go again with TDS deflections. I can't make any logic out of your position. Self Evident Truths really delusional.

      One of them was that "All Men are created Equal". If you believe that then your TDS has worsened.

      Even the US constitution disagreed with the Declaration of Independence. Black men according to the US Constitution were only 3/5ths of a person. end of story for self evident.

      If you want more, "men" in that statement didn't include women. Because it took the 19th amendment to get women of any color the right to vote. And that was 50 years after Black Men were given the right to vote by the 15th amendment. And given the fact that these were both amendments, there were no self evident truths and the Declaration of Independence was colonial PR.

      --------------These are once again facts. while Mike's argument fails because of these facts.The only fact is that these words do exist, but they never really had any value of being true. As I mentioned here.

      BTW do you now speak for Mike, or can he give his own response. Just asking

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      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Mike, do you notice how Brad derides us for having drawn conclusions from our observations of Trump (he calls them opinions) and the facts which we offer plenty of while he opines away himself, generally without the benefit of facts.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      "Brad: Enlighten me. What accomplishments has Trump made?"

      B:

      I am not going to play your rope a dope game.

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      How can the democrats do anything for the country when they are completely out of power. The GOP and Trump now own every move they make. Trump will still try to blame the democrats and Hillary and Obama, but it's over.

      B:

      No they don't because they don't have enough votes. Your answer avoids the real problem which is their boasted resistance to president Trump. No they don't own every move because of the democrat resistance. They can at least fake it that they care about America and Americans, and legal immigrants. Why do they want open borders, and yet don't want to change the immigration laws that they claim Trump is misusing. Billions of dollars of illegal drugs, human trafficking, gun running and other contraband. Why isn't that important to stop?

      Again, stop playing the rope a dope game.

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      The link I listed for Trump's hypocrisy is what I have observed. Why do I have to describe it in my own words? So that you can say, "It's just your opinion." I'm not playing that game.

      B:

      Why because it should be your opinion and you should be able to tell why it is so, and what does it mean. Actually, nothing because you won't tell us what is the impact on the country and the people.

      This is your typical passive aggressive response since I have known you.

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      If you can't believe the printed word from valid sources then you are truly in denial, just like everybody else who is in denial and makes excuses for his behavior.

      B:

      That is the problem with people, just because it is in print, or on the new, or on the Internet doesn't mean that it is a fact, much less true. What valid sources, even Fox News isn't a valid source. And the more that people think that and parrot their opinions the less intelligent are those people.

      It is like the people that rely on the calculator to do their math, and without the calculator they have no idea on how to do it. So without the valid sources, I have asked you many times for your opinion. But I get, the rope a dope Mike the deflector.

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      It's all about hope and change for Trump supporters. You hope Trump's changes succeed, just like we did with Obama. You are no different. You are just sitting on the other side of the fence.

      B:

      Trump is the only president that actually put the country and the people ahead of the party, and the establishment. The establishment are the nest political power politicians that retired on the job. They are the ones that created these problems. Trump has the biggest advantage over any politician because he didn't cause any of it. The fact that both parties don't like him is the key to why the people like him.

      What should we have kept from the 8 years of Obama and 4 years of Hillary and 4 years of Kerry?

      ------------------------------------

      I don't have a vested interest in defending any of the previous presidents. I suppose you like the future of democrat controlled US, and the future is here in CA. This is the type of government that you vote democrat for?

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      Character in a person means a lot. You cannot separate the character from his or her actions, especially in a president. A person who does all of those things that I have listed cannot be trusted to be president.

      B:

      You made this up, and you can't tell us how these factors have kept him from performing and accomplishing things from his campaign promises. You think that Pelosi, Waters, Schumer, Feinstein, Warren have character, they are just characters?

      Tell me again, why he shouldn't be trusted?

      You don't think that making progress in North Korea, Syria and Iran is not an accomplishment. You don't think that the tax cut was an accomplishment. You think that the trade deficit before Trump became president was working for the US? You think that get energy resources from the United States domestically is a bad thing. When it allows the US to be self reliant and not get punished by other countries. Like when OPEC punished us with two artificial oil shortages in the 70s because we backed our Allie Israel. The main obstacle president Trump from more accomplishments are the resistance from democrats and Rinos. Working against the president is not working for the country. The American process to get rid of the president, once again, is by voting him out. The resistance and the blame game started even before he took office, and increased and continues today.

      Where is the separation from the democrat party and the main stream media? We are not talking criticism with the media, they are the offensive arm of the militant democrats that has one purpose take down a sitting president!

      And you have Obama left overs in the Executive Branch that were and still are doing the same thing. Is that the American way that the democrats keep saying the Trump is not doing?

      The American Way wouldn't be to have people in the government try a silent coup. It wouldn't be using the media to distribute the democrat party line. And it isn't the American Way not to use the voting power of the Democrat Republic that we have in the US.

      The democrats could have submitted their bills, their vision for America and even if they couldn't pass them, the voters would be voting for them in the next election. That is the American Way, and why America was the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

      But today, the democrats are using the playbook of the CIA that they use to take down governments around the world.

      :)

      A country where Americans are treated as foreigner, and illegal aliens are treated like Americans. We are so different, we are different species.

      ----------------------------------

      Actually you will find out this November how much Trump owns, and how little the democrats really own. Trump needs to get non establishment people on both sides, but he can't even get rid of the enemies festering in his branch of the government. Thanks to the democrats and their investigations. The democrats have also divided the country, and that is their claim to fame in history. You cherry picked past those comments didn't you?

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      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Brad: Enlighten me. What accomplishments has Trump made?

      How can the democrats do anything for the country when they are completely out of power. The GOP and Trump now own every move they make. Trump will still try to blame the democrats and Hillary and Obama, but it's over.

      The link I listed for Trump's hypocrisy is what I have observed. Why do I have to describe it in my own words? So that you can say, "It's just your opinion." I'm not playing that game.

      If you can't believe the printed word from valid sources then you are truly in denial, just like everybody else who is in denial and makes excuses for his behavior.

      It's all about hope and change for Trump supporters. You hope Trump's changes succeed, just like we did with Obama. You are no different. You are just sitting on the other side of the fence.

      Character in a person means a lot. You cannot separate the character from his or her actions, especially in a president. A person who does all of those things that I have listed cannot be trusted to be president.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      continued

      M: Trump needs somebody or something to blame all the time to make himself appear more superior than others.

      B: Since Trump entered the race for the presidency till now when he has been president, how many different things have you blamed Trump for and continue to add to that number. Are you trying to match the 3,000 alleged Trump lies with an equal of greater number of your own lies.

      M1: I don’t lie and I’m not in denial for Trump’s “3,000 alleged lies” like you are.

      B1: If you don't lie, just displaying symptoms of TDS.

      If you weren't under the effects of TDS you would realize that these three thousand alleged lies are just the democrats calling them lies. Most of them are not lies, and have no consequences on the country or the people. Again, apply them to a standard that says a lie has to be damaging to the country and its people. What the TDS causes is to take isolated single events that are meaningless and blow it up to try and use it against the president.

      Of the 3,000 things you call lies, can you give me some or any of them that would pass that criteria of damaging the country or the people that is fact based rather than TDS opinions.

      How important is the size of the SOTU crowd? Who did it damage.

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      B: What result do you expect from your baseless assertions about president Trump? What is your end game?

      M: As you can see if you read all of these links I posted, they are not baseless assertions, unless you deny them, which I’m sure you will.

      B1:

      What they do show is that you don't have any opinions or information that is yours? You rely on biased media, and many of them not even originating in the US.

      In reality, these references aren't facts, these are where you get these TDS riddled views:)

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      M: I don’t have an end game. For now, my mission is to be as objective as possible and watch Trump, his administration, the GOP, and SCOTUS, and hope they don’t screw up the country for everybody. Further, I will vote for whomever I think will do the better job in the next election.

      B1:

      You mean after this TDS opinion piece commentary you gave here.

      It would be a good sign for you to do that:)

      What is your thought on the Helsinki

      private 2 hours meeting with Putin?

      Thanks Mike

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      I have no idea why you think this is a compelling argument against my comment.

      B: None of these statement that you have mentioned are facts, they are evidence of your being traumatized by Trump trouncing Hillary for the presidency.

      M: Your opinion, it has nothing to do with Hillary…get over it.

      B1: Now who is lying? Oh its you!

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      B: And even for the sake of argument here, if all of these things that you listed were true how does that make him a bad president. A president should be judged by his accomplishments, and these accomplishments are facts, not fiction as your list provides.

      M: Hitler had many great accomplishments, but he was an evil person.

      B1: Hitler killed millions of people, I don't see the similarity you try to make it. I do find it another delusion of your TDS.

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      B: Once again TDS is a specific result of PTSD where the "T" which stands for Trauma is derived from Trump. Do you deny that Trump has traumatized you?

      M: I’m not traumatized by Trump. I’m frustrated by every time he opens his mouth and lies and then lies about his lies.

      B1:

      You seem to focus unhealthy on what you call his lies, and never talk about his accomplishments, or how the democrats do nothing for the country or the people. They focus on foreigners who are illegals. And the latest from Elizabeth Warren is that when the democrats win the congress, the first thing they will do is reverse the Trump tax cuts, and significantly increase the taxes. Doesn't that sound like TDS to you? That is the way to get votes for the democrats? In addition to doing nothing for America or Americans, the democrats resistance program has divided the country as the democrats did in 1860, and 1964.

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      B: I think your writings indicate that Trump is the basis for your PTSD:)

      M: I don’t have PTSD. As I said before, I’m frustrated by his behavior as a president.

      B1:

      That is what you say, but your writings say TDS.

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      There you go again serving red herrings.

      B: Denial of what, these are not facts that you have listed here, and they are vague, ambiguous and have no reference and timing.

      M: I told you they are self-evident truths, but you are in denial. So, I have gone to the trouble of giving supporting evidence for each of my assertions. If you choose to read the links, you will understand what the real Donald Trump is about…but I know you probable won’t.

      B1:

      These are not truths self evident or not. The real Donald Trump is what we see him doing, and he is doing good for the country and the people. What have you and the democrats done?

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      You are in constant denial that Trump:

      Is a misogynist

      https://www.self.com/story/sexist-president-donald...

      B1:

      These don't even relate to president Trump.

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      Is a chronic liar

      https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-tr...

      B1:

      Seriously, you call these facts. More like a sign of your growing TDS symptoms.

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      Is a name caller

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/politics/trump-nick...

      B:

      Yes, he gives people nick names, so what!

      ----------------------------

      Is an exaggerator

      https://qz.com/792825/presidential-debate-donald-t...

      B:

      You are going back to before he is president. What is wrong with exaggeration if it gets a good result?

      -------------------------------

      Is a deflector

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38045852

      B:

      Well Mike you are certainly an expert in deflection.

      ------------------------------

      Is an adulterer

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpol...

      B: Where are the facts?

      He says no, she says yes and without a court decision these are just utterances.

      --------------------

      Is a narcissists

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/04/...

      B:

      Once again, who cares if he is or is not. He should be judged by his performance and accomplishments of which he has many. This is another of your TDS issues.

      -------------------------

      Is a racist

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/ra...

      B:

      Another symptom of your TDS, and democrats are the supreme racists, and that is a fact backed up by history. Civil War, and the Civil Rights Amendments made by the republican specifically passed to protect the newly freed slaves. But in 1964 the democrats had to been disciplined by the SCOTUS to recognize the rights of blacks. Separate is not equal.

      -------------------------

      Is a blamer of others for his mistakes

      B1:

      Do you have facts or just opinions on what is or isn't a mistake. Don't you have any words of your own. All I get here is fake news:)

      Don't let your TDS flare up:)

      ---------------------------

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/comment...

      Is a divider

      B:

      It is the democrats that have divided the country even during the Obama administration, and they doubled down when Trump became president. The fact is that the democrats chose to resist, how is that not something that divides. They could have chosen to work with the president instead of trying to just get rid of him. Remember he didn't create the problems of the US, he just inherited them.

      ---------------------------------

      https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/...

      Is vindictive

      B1:

      Is that another TDS driven idea? What is Your definition of vindictive and what are Your personal references?

      -----------------------------

      https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/28/krauthammer...

      Is an actor

      https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/...

      B:

      What do you mean, and what is the relevance to his performance and accomplishments during his presidency?

      ----------------------------

      Is a hypocrite

      https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a9084563/don...

      B:

      Do you have any credible sources for any of your TDS defenses?

      In your own words, why do you think that president Trump is a hypocrite?

      ----------------------------

      B: You last sentence in your comment is classic TDS!

      M: There is no need to for me to provide evidence of these accusation as they are self evident truths. What bothers me is your denial. You are behaving the same way the German populace did by looking the other when he blamed the Jews for Germany's downfall after WWI.

      B1:

      There you go again with TDS deflections. I can't make any logic out of your position. Self Evident Truths really delusional.

      One of them was that "All Men are created Equal". If you believe that then your TDS has worsened.

      Even the US constitution disagreed with the Declaration of Independence. Black men according to the US Constitution were only 3/5ths of a person. end of story for self evident.

      If you want more, "men" in that statement didn't include women. Because it took the 19th amendment to get women of any color the right to vote. And that was 50 years after Black Men were given the right to vote by the 15th amendment. And given the fact that these were both amendments, there were no self evident truths and the Declaration of Independence was colonial PR.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      Brad:

      B: None of these statement that you have mentioned are facts, they are evidence of your being traumatized by Trump trouncing Hillary for the presidency.

      M: Your opinion, it has nothing to do with Hillary…get over it.

      B: And even for the sake of argument here, if all of these things that you listed were true how does that make him a bad president. A president should be judged by his accomplishments, and these accomplishments are facts, not fiction as your list provides.

      M: Hitler had many great accomplishments, but he was an evil person.

      B: Once again TDS is a specific result of PTSD where the "T" which stands for Trauma is derived from Trump. Do you deny that Trump has traumatized you?

      M: I’m not traumatized by Trump. I’m frustrated by every time he opens his mouth and lies and then lies about his lies.

      B: I think your writings indicate that Trump is the basis for your PTSD:)

      M: I don’t have PTSD. As I said before, I’m frustrated by his behavior as a president.

      There you go again serving red herrings.

      B: Denial of what, these are not facts that you have listed here, and they are vague, ambiguous and have no reference and timing.

      M: I told you they are self-evident truths, but you are in denial. So, I have gone to the trouble of giving supporting evidence for each of my assertions. If you choose to read the links, you will understand what the real Donald Trump is about…but I know you probable won’t.

      You are in constant denial that Trump:

      Is a misogynist

      https://www.self.com/story/sexist-president-donald...

      Is a chronic liar

      https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-tr...

      Is a name caller

      https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/03/politics/trump-nick...

      Is an exaggerator

      https://qz.com/792825/presidential-debate-donald-t...

      Is a deflector

      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38045852

      Is an adulterer

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpol...

      Is a narcissists

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/05/04/...

      Is a racist

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/12/ra...

      Is a blamer of others for his mistakes

      http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/comment...

      Is a divider

      https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/...

      Is vindictive

      https://www.mercurynews.com/2017/07/28/krauthammer...

      Is an actor

      https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/...

      Is a hypocrite

      https://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a9084563/don...

      B: You last sentence in your comment is classic TDS!

      M: There is no need to for me to provide evidence of these accusation as they are self evident truths. What bothers me is your denial. You are behaving the same way the German populace did by looking the other when he blamed the Jews for Germany's downfall after WWI.

      M: Trump needs somebody or something to blame all the time to make himself appear more superior than others.

      B: Since Trump entered the race for the presidency till now when he has been president, how many different things have you blamed Trump for and continue to add to that number. Are you trying to match the 3,000 alleged Trump lies with an equal of greater number of your own lies.

      M1: I don’t lie and I’m not in denial for Trump’s “3,000 alleged lies” like you are.

      B: What result do you expect from your baseless assertions about president Trump? What is your end game?

      M: As you can see if you read all of these links I posted, they are not baseless assertions, unless you deny them, which I’m sure you will.

      M: I don’t have an end game. For now, my mission is to be as objective as possible and watch Trump, his administration, the GOP, and SCOTUS, and hope they don’t screw up the country for everybody. Further, I will vote for whomever I think will do the better job in the next election.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      You say

      "LYING

      "Made in America? @BarrackObama called his 'birthplace' Hawaii 'here in Asia'" (twitter, Nov 18, 2011)

      B:

      When I click a link to that statement here is what I got

      "Oops! That page can’t be found."

      That was also 2011 and what is the context for that tweet?

      ----------------------------------

      "I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down ... And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering." (Nov 21, 2015. No such thing happened.)

      B:

      Trump said, ""There were people that were cheering on the other side of New Jersey where you have large Arab populations,” he told George Stephanopoulos today on ABC’s “This Week.” "They were cheering as the World Trade Center came down. I know it might be not politically correct for you to talk about it, but there were people cheering as that building came down -- as those buildings came down, and that tells you something. It was well covered at the time." "

      The only thing that I found that said it didn't happen was that the police denied it. They also said they were the first responders to Manhattan. So they weren't in NJ they were on their way to Manhattan.

      I would like to see more than this as evidence that it didn't happen.

      ---------------------------------------

      "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide (by 90,000 votes), I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally"(Twitter Nov 27, 2016; extremely few people voted illegally)

      B:

      How can you prove his statement being wrong?

      "The president-elect also tweeted that he would have won more easily if he had based his campaign strategy on winning the popular vote, instead of visiting states with a larger number of Electoral College votes.

      Trump’s second series of tweets Sunday came as Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein’s campaign said it would file for a recount in Michigan and Pennsylvania, after making an effort in Wisconsin official. All three states are traditionally blue states that Trump won.

      Trump's claim of voter fraud drew immediate criticism from social media, with some mocking him and others pointing out the lack of evidence supporting his claim of illegal voting. "

      B:

      Can you really call this a lie? Yes, Trump didn't have hard evidence about illegals voting, but you don't have any hard evidence that it didn't happen. That is a tie, and not a lie.

      In CA where Hillary had 7 million votes to Trump's 4 million votes they don't allow voters to be checked, and there is no photo ID required. So it is in the realm of possibility that illegals voted in the election. If Illinois and CA had checked voters this wouldn't be an issue.

      CA gives illegals a pseudo American citizen halo, so anything is possible.

      And even if it was a lie as you believe, what is the damage. Were lives lost like in Benghazi or was the election not valid. At worst case it was an open boast. But it could have been true as well.

      ------------------------------

      These are a few of the over 3,000 documented Mostly False, False, or Pants-on-Fire Lies which Donald J. Trump has uttered since he became President. Of course we aren't counting the 1,000 more he made during the campaign."

      B:

      I have already debunked these so called lies as nothing burgers. What were the consequences of these so called lies compared to maybe political exaggerations. A lie has consequences to those being lied, and this one and the rest don't have any. But, if you like your plan, you can keep it....... This had consequences, especially to people being treated for cancer where there doctor could no longer help them because they lost their plan. And no all doctors are not interchangeable.

      ---------------------------------------

      :)

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      you say

      "MISOGYNY

      "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her - whatever?" (CNN interview Aug, 2015)

      "Look at that face! [presidential hopeful Carly Fiorina] Would anybody vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president? ... I mean, she's a woman and I am not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious? (Rolling Stone interview Sep 9, 2015)

      "When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything .... Grab 'em by the pussy ... You can do anything" (hot mike on Access Hollywood in 2005)

      The only way this isn't Misogyny is if you believe these are three of Trump's 3,000+ lies."

      B:

      None of these "3" quotes has anything to do with president Trump, does it?

      You can't make the distinction between celebrity and the presidency. You have one quote from 2005 that is just guy talk and one on Carly, but you need to contrast that with what the democrats did to Sarah Palin. It is OK when the democrats do it, but not when Trump does it. That is the classic definition of a double standard. The fact is that it worked for Trump.

      There you go again with the 3,000 lies which amounted to nothing and they were not about anything substantial. But Hillary lied to congress and the people saying that she never sent or received classified information. Factually, that was and is still a lie.

      Having an unsecured email server in her bathroom that was hacked and cost the lives of several assets whose names were in those emails. Was that a lie, or just stupidity on Hillary's part?

      Did president Obama lie when he told candidate Trump that there was no possibility of the election being rigged? Was it a lie when the DNC alleged their server was hacked, and yet it was not confirmed by any US agency, nor did any US agency get on those servers to verify the hacking allegation, and more specifically hacking by the Russians? Is it really hacking when Podesta's password was "password".

      What is a fact regardless of your answers here is that Hillary and the DNC paid no attention to protecting their computers against cyber attacks. Using the but for negligence legal test, but for that would there have been any hacking or leaking?

      Hillary's attack on everyone that didn't vote for her calling them deplorable is worse than anything you claim about Trump and women. What she said about deplorable, she has repeated many times and even this year.

      :)

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      Readmikenow 

      3 weeks ago

      "You are behaving the same way the German populace did by looking the other when he blamed the Jews for Germany's downfall after WWI."

      Yeah, this is definitely a serious case of DTS or a rather blatant inability to read and understand history. I think either one could apply.

      Mike,

      Keep going. You may not realize it, but your actions and the actions of people like you are only making President Trump stronger.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      None of these statement that you have mentioned are facts, they are evidence of your being traumatized by Trump trouncing Hillary for the presidency.

      And even for the sake of argument here, if all of these things that you listed were true how does that make him a bad president. A president should be judged by his accomplishments, and these accomplishments are facts, not fiction as your list provides.

      Once again TDS is a specific result of PTSD where the "T" which stands for Trauma is derived from Trump. Do you deny that Trump has traumatized you?

      I think your writings indicate that Trump is the basis for your PTSD:)

      There you go again serving red herrings.

      Denial of what, these are not facts that you have listed here, and they are vague, ambiguous and have no reference and timing.

      You last sentence in your comment is classic TDS!

      Since Trump entered the race for the presidency till now when he has been president, how many different things have you blamed Trump for and continue to add to that number. Are you trying to match the 3,000 alleged Trump lies with an equal of greater number of your own lies.

      What result do you expect from your baseless assertions about president Trump? What is your end game?

      :)

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      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      To all of Trump supporters: I really don't like name calling. However, I can't let you get away with saying I'm suffering from TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome).

      This article describes the hedonistic tendencies of Trump and your comments show that you are suffering from TDS as well.

      TDS = Trump Denial Syndrome

      You are in constant denial that Trump:

      Is a misogynist

      Is a chronic liar

      Is a name caller

      Is an exaggerator

      Is a deflector

      Is an adulterer

      Is a narcists

      Is a racist

      Is a blamer of others for his mistakes

      Is a divider

      Is vindictive

      Is an actor

      Is a hypocrite

      There is no need to for me to provide evidence of these accusation as they are self evident truths. What bothers me is your denial. You are behaving the same way the German populace did by looking the other when he blamed the Jews for Germany's downfall after WWI.

      Trump needs somebody or something to blame all the time to make himself appear more superior than others.

    • bradmasterOCcal profile image

      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      "Brad - No - Trump is incapable of learning anything, regardless of the time period. Take tariffs for example. They didn't work Jefferson (the first time punitive tariffs were imposed) and he didn't learn from Hoover (the last time punitive tariffs were imposed). They both failed just like every other punitive tariff did in between. If he can't learn such a clear lesson from that history, why would I think he can learn anything?

      B:

      ME that is your opinion, but the facts show that he is doing a good job and making accomplishment. The world today is more complex than your antiquated world of yesterday.

      You among others have made these judgement opinions before, during and after Trump implements a plan. You don't want it to succeed and that is sad. The world today is different, and so is president Trump. Monday night quarterbacking is for people that can' play the game except in their head.

      The time for your opinions should be made in 2020 at the voting booth. One thing is for sure, the country would be a lot better, stronger, and going in a positive direction if the democrats and Rinos wouldn't keep pulling the country in the wrong direction. The right direction is supporting the president and helping to correct any missteps. Not by trying to make him look bad even at the expense of the country and the people.

      ----------------------

      What is not true first of all is Mexico doesn't send us ANYBODY (that was Trump's first of thousand of Lies).

      B:

      There you go again with the lies. In fact, Mexico does send us their people, and the people from Central America. They allow these people that come into Mexico a time period to get across the US border. And the New President of Mexico wants America to help Mexico to be able to support their own people and not have them go to the US. They even offered to pay for the wall.

      -----------------------------

      And studies show that of those who try to come to America illegally, almost all are law-abiding (save for the misdemeanor for crossing the border - sort of like you getting a speeding ticket) and motivated to work.

      B:

      Studies are eclipsed by looking at the government statistics, and the number of illegals that fill our prisons and jails. And CA keeps Convicted Illegal Alien Felons from being deported. Why?

      The MS 13 Gang kills, rapes and control as their real life motto, just to name one group of criminals. The illegal aliens in our jails and prisons are the ones that have been caught committing felonies and other crimes. What about all the others that haven't been caught. And allowing convicted illegal felons from not being deported makes the US safer for the people, how?

      The billions of dollars of illegal drugs, gun running, and child trafficking from Mexico or through Mexico causes direct and indirect problems for the US and its people.

      I live in CA, and I don't need studies.

      Why are you and the democrats not concerned about America and the American people? Once again, in 2009-2011 the democrat controlled government could have but didn't make new immigration laws that could have precluded this ongoing and legacy of their inactions from become a red herring issue. As for the NAFTA deal, Trump's strategy is to do it a country at a time. The new Mexican President is looking to make a trade deal with the US and even pay for the US wall. Crazy like a Fox, and not the former Mexican president:)

      ----------------------------

      As to his mockery of a disabled reporter I can't believe even you find that appropriate.

      B:

      I don't really see it that way, and what I don't find appropriate is for the democrats to keep on focusing on single incidents rather than the people as a whole. What policy has Trump implemented that mocks disabled people.

      ---------------------------------

      What is my point? Read the article again, this time carefully, I state it many times.

      B:

      What I have read over and over again shows only one point, you don't like Trump and you don't really have any real basis to do so.Statistics and drive by psychoanalysis is not a fact. And with any statistics they can be interpreted in countless way. I have given my comments on the article and you still cherry pick which ones you try to answer.

      ---------------------

      One does not recover from the extreme paranoia exhibited in his earlier behavior without therapy, therapy he desperately needs but has never had.

      B:

      You make an effort in your article to say that these "experts" that you quote, even they agree their opinions have been done from afar, and that like the Russian Dossier is just an opinion, not fact. Yet, you quote it like this last paragraph of yours here as if it was fact.

      I showed you the Dr's last book and how TDS is PTSD where Trump is the trauma. And that is exactly what I see when I read your article.

      Once again, when someone cannot see a single good thing about president Trump then the problem is theirs, not his problem.

      Illegal immigration is a problem that congress created, and president Trump is doing what the Executive Branch is supposed to do and that is enforce the laws. Unfortunately, he has too many left over Obama supporters in his branch. And any attempts to remove them is met with faux outrage from the democrats in congress.

      What do you think it would take for the democrats to win big in 2018? As I see their platform today, it is protecting illegal aliens, disregarding the American homeless epidemic, we hate Trump, we want Trump impeached, and we don't want him to finish his term even if he has to be assassinated. I didn't make this up, and you know these are from the voice of the democrats everyday.

      As I have said it many times, the democrat party of today is much like those in 1860 and 1964 and that is not a good thing for the country, is it?

      -------------------

      I would think you would know that becoming president doesn't change a person's character, it just doesn't work that way. In any case, he was a "businessman" in name only since most of the efforts he personally took control over - failed or are failing. He is a showman, not a businessman.

      B:

      What you call failing is really being able to utilize that tools available when running a business, and that is Bankruptcy, and avoiding taxes as much as it is legally available. The dif is the US govt cannot actually go bankrupt, but using the terms applied to the private sector, when hasn't the gov not been bankrupt?

      Now you are playing the psychiatrist and giving your opinion. He is the president and I find it Un American that you with your military service don't support a president of the US.

      When you strip away all of your opinions, statistics, and opinions from other people, what you are left with is a very large pile of sour grapes. It would be different if this was late 2020 and you could actually have facts to support your claims, but you and others had these same opinions from the day that Trump said he was running for the presidency.

      While I wouldn't want to live on the difference between how presidents Bush, and Obama were so bad for the country and the people. Obama takes the position of the worst president over them because his last year in office was working totally against the US and its constitution. And he didn't stop on Jan 21, 2017 and he hasn't stopped at all.

      He was unpresidential in making the transition to the new government, and he has verbally attacked the US and president Trump all around the world. When did we have such a bad president and former president as Obama. Obama has his chance at his presidential legacy, and he failed badly. His only real way to have gotten Trump from being president was to cast his vote against him. Obama as we have seen from the reports and the congressional hearings chose a more unAmerican remedy. What president goes around the world apologizing for America and disrespecting the duly elected sitting president.

      Do you still think that president Trump should be impeached and if so on what factual and legal evidence? The kind that would be required for the congress to not only impeach but remove him from office.

      :)

      As for the rest - I'll let the experts speak for themselves, I shouldn't have bothered writing even this much.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Brad - No - Trump is incapable of learning anything, regardless of the time period. Take tariffs for example. They didn't work Jefferson (the first time punitive tariffs were imposed) and he didn't learn from Hoover (the last time punitive tariffs were imposed). They both failed just like every other punitive tariff did in between. If he can't learn such a clear lesson from that history, why would I think he can learn anything?

      What is not true first of all is Mexico doesn't send us ANYBODY (that was Trump's first of thousand of Lies). And studies show that of those who try to come to America illegally, almost all are law-abiding (save for the misdemeanor for crossing the border - sort of like you getting a speeding ticket) and motivated to work.

      As to his mockery of a disabled reporter I can't believe even you find that appropriate.

      What is my point? Read the article again, this time carefully, I state it many times.

      One does not recover from the extreme paranoia exhibited in his earlier behavior without therapy, therapy he desperately needs but has never had.

      I would think you would know that becoming president doesn't change a person's character, it just doesn't work that way. In any case, he was a "businessman" in name only since most of the efforts he personally took control over - failed or are failing. He is a showman, not a businessman.

      As for the rest - I'll let the experts speak for themselves, I shouldn't have bothered writing even this much.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      You say

      "DEHUMANIZATION:

      "Sometimes, part of making a deal is denigrating your competition" (Art of the Deal, 1987)

      B:

      In 31 years since this book, you think that Trump hasn't learned more about negotiation and business. Times have changed, and so did the business cycle, and business have come and gone.

      --------------------------

      "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best ...They're sending people that have a lot of problems, and they're bringing these problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people" (speech, June 16, 2015)

      B:

      This is true, what part of it don't you think is true.

      With $20 billion a year in illegal drug, guns, and human trafficking coming into the country every year, how is that statement not true?

      ----------------------------------

      "Written by a nice reporter. Now the poor guy. You ought to see this guy" (See video above to understand how dehumanizing this was.)

      B:

      Really how do you know that?

      ---

      Would anybody disagree this is extreme dehumanizing behavior?"

      B:

      What is dehumanizing, and what behavior?

      What point are you trying to make, and about whom?

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      You say

      "PARANOIA

      "The world is a vicious and brutal place. We think we're civilized. In truth, it's a cruel world and people are ruthless. They are nice to your face, but underneath they're out to kill you ... Even your friends are out to get you: they want your job, they want your house, they want your money, they want your wife, and they even want your dog. Those are your friends; your enemies are even worse!" (Think Big: Make it Happen in Business and Life, 2007)

      "My motto is 'Hire the best people, and don't trust them' "(Think Big: Make it Happen in Business and Life, 2007)

      "If you have smart people working for you, they'll try to screw you if they think they can do better without you. (Daily Mail, Oct 30, 2010)

      "

      B:

      This is businessman Donald Trump. We now have president Trump. Shouldn't you be talking about president Trump. It is 8 or 10 years later than your quotes.

      Apparently, if president Trump abided by these quotes, he would have appointed Andrew McCabe as FBI director, would he? He also would have appointed Jess Sessions or Rod Rosenstein.

      And he would gotten rid of James Comey when he became president.

      How can you compare Donald Trump business man with Donald Trump the president?

      I really don't know what is your point in this article.

      ---------------------------------

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      you say

      "RACISM

      "You haven't been called, go back to Univision" (when dismissing Latino reporter Jorge Ramos at an Iowa rally, Aug 2015)

      "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States" (rally in Charleston, SC Dec 2015)

      "Look at my African American over there. Look at him? (California, June 2016)"

      B:

      First of all these occurred before he was president. And second of all there is no context to any of these quotes. And the Muslim quote is made by whom?

      There was never a Muslim ban, it was a Temporary ban because the people from these 7 countries couldn't be vetted. But, to you apparently 90 days is permanent.

      ----------------------------

      B:

      As for your comment about Trump being deranged. He did experience any Trauma. But Hillary losing the election for the second time is the Trauma that makes those experiencing that trauma, TDS. And as I said TDS is PTSD with the Trauma being Trump.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      Mike

      Who are you talking too?

      Anyway you say

      "TDS is not Trump Derangement Syndrome.

      According to Adam Gopnik, TDS is Deranged Trump Self-Delusion," It's Trump's "daily spasm of narcissistic gratification and episodic vanity."

      B:

      The would be DTSD and it appears as a related problem of TDS.

      -------------------------

      "The real problem, is that President Trump is a man of "fears and fits" with an "appetite ... for announcing his authority through violence, a thing capable of an unimaginable resonance and devastation".

      B:

      The real problem is your Hillary lost the presidency for the second time, and your trauma has unhealthy focused on a deranged view of the president of the US.

      What Fears?

      What Violence?

      What Thing?

      What capable? Capability of an unimaginable

      Why do you say "unimaginable", do you have any examples?

      resonance and devastation". How do we interpret or apply these two things?

      After reading this strings of words, do you really think it is the product of healthy thinking?

      -------------------------

      Oh, oh, I better be careful. He might take away my Security Clearance. I did have a Secret Clearance with Crypto Access when I was in the Air Force. Unlike Trump I was in the real military, not the fake military school that he was sent to as an unruly child.

      B:

      Yes, it was real but what country was that Air Force:) just kidding.

      Here is the bottom line, when you leave the government does it really make sense to have all those government clearances still active. These are unnecessary and dangerous accesses to national defense.

      What is the first thing that happens when you work for a defense contractor and you leave. They escort you out of the building, they take your badge, they remove you ability to access the building and the computer. This makes a lot of sense. Contrast that with people like Brennan, but it should apply to everyone that leaves government, to still have active security clearance.

      ------------------------------

      I read his book, The Art of the Deal and he did learn how to divide and conquer in that school, which he is doing to our country.

      B:

      Really Mike is that all you have to offer here.

      Why can't you let him do his job, which he is doing very well, and don't vote for him in 2020. That is the American and constitutional way to get a president that you don't like out of office.

      What the anti Trumper is doing is putting the divide in the country, and you are trying to blame president Trump. This is a repeat of what the democrats did in 1860, 1964, and what they are doing since 2016.

      ----------------------------------------

      He constantly practices these three things that he learned from his long time attorney Roy Cohen, who was Joseph McCarthy's head attorney

      1. Never settle, never surrender

      2. Counter-attack, counter sue immediately

      3. No matter what happens, no matter how deeply into the muck you get, claim victory and never admit defeat.

      B:

      I don't know if that is even true, but what he has done is come from the private sector and totally beat the nested, the professional and experience politicians. He beat 16 of them in the primary, and if he didn't do that he wouldn't be able to run against Hillary Clinton. The Russians certainly didn't help him beat those 16 republican candidate. He trounced Hillary Clinton to make her a two time failed presidential candidate, and that is a fact.

      So whatever makes Trump that winner, it worked for him. And that includes whatever constitutes his personality and his being. He also won the election with half of the money used by Hillary Clinton.

      For a party that claims to represent the poor, the illegal aliens and the working class, they have some really deep pocket super wealthy backers.

      After all this psychological analysis by unknown "doctors" on Donald Trump. I would re-title their book, or papers, as "What it really takes to become the president of the US in the 21st century".

      Statistics and drive by psychological analysis from strangers doesn't change the fact that Donald Trump is the president of the United States of America.

      There is no news fake or otherwise, as opinions and their conclusions are not news. Neither are non verified events and facts. The word News still exists but it doesn't mean what it was in journalism

      -----------------------

      Almost everyday, you can see one or more of these rules in action by Trump."

      B:

      And what we see everyday is Donald J Trump doing his job as president of the United States. He does it well, while we can't say that about the democrats or even some of the republicans in congress. Resisting the president is not the oath that people take when they are elected to congress.

      Remember Trump inherited these problems that you blame on him, he didn't create them.

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      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      I'll have to look into that, thanks.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Things like this made up TDS to be true, must be based on fantasy or delusion. Since Trump is clearly the one that is deranged, TDS is simply Fake News.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      Who are you commenting to as there is no reference? And your comments are too vague to make a guess.

      Thanks

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      We aren't talking about other presidents, we are talking about Trump and his lack of fitness to serve America.

      That said, the next paper on malignant narcissism starts with Nixon for obvious reasons.

      I will continue to rely on my expertise in statistics and continue on my merry way.

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Seems to me your response fits nicely into what the authors describe as Abnormal

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Seems to me your response fits nicely into what the authors describe as Abnormal

    • My Esoteric profile imageAUTHOR

      My Esoteric 

      3 weeks ago from Keystone Heights, FL

      Thanks Howard, I appreciate you reading.

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      Mike Russo 

      3 weeks ago from Placentia California

      TDS is not Trump Derangement Syndrome.

      According to Adam Gopnik, TDS is Deranged Trump Self-Delusion," It's Trump's "daily spasm of narcissistic gratification and episodic vanity."

      "The real problem, is that President Trump is a man of "fears and fits" with an "appetite ... for announcing his authority through violence, a thing capable of an unimaginable resonance and devastation".

      Oh, oh, I better be careful. He might take away my Security Clearance. I did have a Secret Clearance with Crypto Access when I was in the Air Force. Unlike Trump I was in the real military, not the fake military school that he was sent to as an unruly child.

      I read his book, The Art of the Deal and he did learn how to divide and conquer in that school, which he is doing to our country.

      He constantly practices these three things that he learned from his long time attorney Roy Cohen, who was Joseph McCarthy's head attorney

      1. Never settle, never surrender

      2. Counter-attack, counter sue immediately

      3. No matter what happens, no matter how deeply into the muck you get, claim victory and never admit defeat.

      Almost everyday, you can see one or more of these rules in action by Trump.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      Your poll is deficient.

      "Do you think Donald Trump exhibits enough signs of mental illness that he is a danger to America?

      50% Middle-of-the-Road - YES

      0% Middle-of-the-Road - NO

      50% Left or Left-Leaning - YES

      0% Left or Left-Leaning - NO

      0% Right or Right-Leaning - YES

      0% Right or Right-Leaning - NO

      0% Not Sure"

      B:

      You are missing the absolute Yes and the absolute No

      This is not a question of leaning. Everyone leans someplace, but you are trying to certify through this article via the writings of someone else that Trump is not fit for the presidency.

      This is not valid because he is fit and he is doing the job. The only people that don't agree are anti Trumpers. And they believe that president Trump cannot do, or say or think a single thing that would please them. Isn't that true?

      BTW, as far as the authors are concerned, what have they accomplished in comparison to what Donald Trump has accomplished? What did these authors say about any of the other presidents?

      :)

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      3 weeks ago from https:// www.consumeraffairs.com/ online/ hubpages. html

      Mike and Brad although TDS is a condition afflicting mental midgets like Esoteric, in reality it’s origin is in the liberal playbook and that is to attack the messenger. When they disagree with anyone who is in a position to advocate policies that work and communicate that they lie pointing out the truth they will maniacally attack a denigrate the messenger drawing all attention away from the truths they don’t even want mentioned. TDS is nothing more than a liberal tactic as old as progressivism and really all they got once you peel away the onion skins of their propaganda.

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      bradmasterOCcal 

      3 weeks ago from Orange County California

      ME

      It is interesting to note what was the subject of Dr Philip Zimbardo previous book.

      "Have you wondered about your own perspective of time – and how it differs so often from others – most especially with your trauma clients?

      In the treatment of PTSD, you know how the focus on past events is a key element that leaves the client stuck in the trauma experience. Now, there is an exciting treatment approach from Dr. Philip Zimbardo, internationally renowned scholar, educator, researcher and media personality.

      Join Dr. Zimbardo (known to all in our field for The Stanford Prison Experiment) and journey with him into a new dimension of trauma therapy. After decades of research on Time Perspective, Dr. Zimbardo, along with colleagues Dr. Richard and Rosemary Sword, have developed Time Perspective Therapy (TPT).

      Dr. Zimbardo delivers an engaging and rare 90-minute lecture about his research on the variations in time perspectives and the impact on human behavior, cognition, and culture including development of TPT and it’s treatment implications. He’ll also discuss new research and future directions in the field."

      This book would be recommended reading for all those people that have come done with a very dangerous case of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

      TDS is really tied to PTSD and this book could help so many people in Congress, where they have shown to be very dangerous. For example, wanting Trump to have a showdown with Putin.

      To see the connection to PTSD, we look at the "T" in that disorder. Then look at the "T" in TDS. Trump is the Trauma for the PTSD:)

      HS

      May I recommend this book to be added to your reading along with Dr Philip Zimbardo current book.

      BTW thanks to trump your state is funded for its new train tunnel.

      President Trump is also a well known Heterosexual!

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      Readmikenow 

      3 weeks ago

      Esoteric, there is help for those such as yourself who suffer with Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS). You have to take the first step and own your TDS.

      https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2017/12/stage...

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      Howard Schneider 

      3 weeks ago from Parsippany, New Jersey

      President Trump fits all of the criteria that these doctors have listed for an extreme hedonist. He has proven himself to be an existential threat to the whole world. Great Hub, My Esoteric.

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