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21 Truths That Prove Republicans Have Been Wrong About Everything

Updated on May 23, 2016
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Jeff is a computer professional who takes a great interest in politics and tries to always distinguish fact from opinion.

It's no secret that politicians tend to use exaggerated political rhetoric to get people to vote for them.

In recent decades, Republicans in particular have repeatedly made very ominous predictions about the horrors that will result from Democratic policies while painting a very rosy picture of what will result from Republican policies.

Now that we have the luxury of looking back over the years to examine those predictions and policies, I've listed 21 specific examples. I've included links where you can verify this information and I encourage you to do your own research to verify all of this yourself.

1. In the 1960s, Republicans wrongly claimed that passage of Medicare would be the end of capitalism.

California Governor Ronald Reagan even proclaimed Medicare would lead to the death of freedom in America.

Of course they were wrong. Since the passage of Medicare, capitalism has thrived in America and millions of elderly Americans have had longer, healthier lives and greater personal freedom. Medicare remains the most popular form of health insurance in the United States.

2. In 1993, when Bill Clinton raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.5%, Republicans predicted a recession, increased unemployment and a growing budget deficit.

They weren't just wrong; the results were exactly the opposite of everything they predicted. After that tax increase went into effect, the country experienced the seven best years of economic growth in history.

  • Twenty-two million new jobs were created
  • Unemployment dropped below 4%
  • The poverty rate went down for 7 straight years
  • The budget deficit was eliminated
  • America enjoyed a growing budget surplus which economists projected would pay off our national debt in 20 years.

3. In 2001, when George W. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy, Republicans predicted record job growth, increased budget surplus and nationwide prosperity.

Once again, the prosperity they promised never quite happened. In fact we saw the exact opposite occur.

After the Bush tax cuts were enacted:

  • The budget surplus immediately disappeared
  • Less than 3 million net jobs were added during Bush’s 8 years
  • The poverty rate began climbing again
  • We experienced two recessions along with the greatest collapse of our financial system since the Great Depression
  • The budget deficit eventually grew to $1.4 trillion by the time Bush left office

In 1993, President Clinton signed the Brady Law mandating nationwide background checks and a waiting period to buy a gun.
In 1993, President Clinton signed the Brady Law mandating nationwide background checks and a waiting period to buy a gun.

4. In 1993, when the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban were passed, Republicans predicted increasing rates of crime and murder.

Thankfully just the opposite happened. From the 1970s, through the early 1990s violent crime had been increasing steadily. After 1993, however, the violent crime and overall murder rates suddenly began to drop. This decline continued for more than ten years.

What could have precipitated such a sudden and prolonged drop in the crime rate beginning in 1993? That’s the year Congress passed the Assault Weapons Ban and the Brady Law, which mandated background checks and a waiting period to buy a gun.

Despite Republican predictions to the contrary, the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban were followed by the most dramatic reduction in violent crime since the FBI started keeping statistics.

The two graphs below show the rates of murder and violent crime in the US over a span of 35 years based on the actual numbers from the FBI Uniform Crime Reports web site. Notice how the crime rate dropped suddenly after the 1993 Brady Law and Assault Weapons Ban were passed .

These charts show the rate of murder and violent crime over 35 years based on numbers from the FBI Uniform Crime reports.
These charts show the rate of murder and violent crime over 35 years based on numbers from the FBI Uniform Crime reports.

See the video of President Bush discussing the missing Weapons of Mass Destruction.

5. Republicans predicted that we would find Iraq’s Weapons of Mass Destruction even though UN weapons inspectors said that those weapons didn't exist.

The Bush administration continued to insist the WMDs would be found even when the CIA said some of the evidence was questionable.

As we all know, the WMDs predicted by the Bush administration did not exist and Saddam had not resumed his nuclear weapons program as they claimed. Both President Bush and Vice President Cheney ultimately had to admit that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

6. Prior to going to war in Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld optimistically predicted the Iraq war might last “six days, six weeks, I doubt six months”.

What's more, Vice-President Dick Cheney said we would be greeted as liberators by the Iraqi people after we overthrow Saddam.

They were both horribly wrong. Instead of six weeks or six months, the Iraq war lasted 8 long and bloody years costing thousands of American lives. It led to an Iraqi civil war between the Sunnis and the Shiites which took hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives. Many Iraqi militia groups were formed to fight against the U.S. forces that occupied Iraq. What’s more, Al Qaeda, which did not exist in Iraq before the war, used the turmoil in Iraq to establish a new foothold in that country.

The Iraq war was arguably the most tragic foreign policy blunder in US history.

7. Republicans said waterboarding and other forms of “enhanced interrogation” are not torture and are necessary in fighting Islamic extremism.

In reality, waterboarding and other forms of enhanced interrogation which inflict pain, suffering or fear of death are outlawed by US law, the US Constitution and international treaties. Japanese soldiers after World War II were prosecuted by the United States for war crimes because of their use of waterboarding on American POWs.

Professional interrogators have known for decades that torture is the most ineffective and unreliable method of getting accurate information. People being tortured say anything to get the torture to end but will not likely tell the truth.

An FBI interrogator named Ali Soufan was able to get al Qaeda terrorist Abu Zubaydah to reveal crucial information without the use of torture. When CIA interrogators started using waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation methods, Zubaydah stopped cooperating and gave his interrogators false information.

Far from being necessary in the fight against terrorism, torture is completely unreliable and counter-productive in obtaining useful information.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/secrets-politics-and-torture/

8. In 2008, Republicans said that if we elect a Democratic president, we would be hit by Al Qaeda again, perhaps worse than the attack on 9/11.

Former Vice-President Dick Cheney stated that electing a Democrat as president would all but guarantee that there would be another major attack on America by Al Qaeda.

Cheney and other Republicans were, thankfully, completely wrong. Since Obama became president, we have had zero deaths on U.S. soil from Al Qaeda attacks and we succeeded in killing Bin Laden along with dozens of other high ranking Al Qaeda leaders.

Looking at the rate of job loss and job creation, its easy to see that the stimulus of 2009 was highly successful in stopping the job losses and turning the economy around.
Looking at the rate of job loss and job creation, its easy to see that the stimulus of 2009 was highly successful in stopping the job losses and turning the economy around.

9. In 2009, Republicans predicted that the economic stimulus package would only make the recession worse and cause more unemployment.

The results show they couldn't have been more wrong. The American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 ended the recession after only a few months. Although 750,000 people were losing their jobs each month when Obama took office, after the Recovery Act was passed the rate of job loss immediately decreased each month and within a year the economy showed positive job growth.

Considering the severity of the 2008 economic collapse and the total opposition by Republicans to do anything at all to stimulate the economy, it is remarkable that the US economy recovered as quickly as it did.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/its-the-lack-of-demand-st_b_754381.html

10. Most Republicans said that President Obama should be impeached because of the 2012 attack on the US consulate in Benghazi.

Their own investigations, however, have proved them wrong. Every Congressional inquiry, including those by the Republican led House Intelligence Committee, have concluded the Obama administration did nothing wrong regarding Benghazi, that there was no “stand down” order given and that neither the President nor anyone in his administration lied about it.

Each and every Republican investigation has reached this same conclusion but Republicans continue to exploit this tragedy for political gain.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/21/politics/benghazi-attack-report/

11. Republicans said we must deregulate businesses so they can be more profitable and we will all enjoy the wealth created by deregulation.

This theory failed back in the 1980s when the Reagan administration deregulated the Savings and Loan industry. All the S&Ls collapsed and it cost taxpayers billions of dollars to bail them out.

They were proven wrong again in 2008 when years of deregulation of the financial industry resulted in the worst financial collapse and recession since the Great Depression. Taxpayers had to spend nearly a trillion dollars to bail out these large corporations.

Instead of spreading the wealth around, deregulation cost millions of jobs and created economic turmoil that took the country years to recover from.

Senator Mitch McConnell claimed Obamacare would cost the economy 2 million jobs.
Senator Mitch McConnell claimed Obamacare would cost the economy 2 million jobs.

12. Republicans predicted that Obamacare would hurt the economy and kill jobs.

As you may have guessed, they were wrong. 2014 was the first full year that Obamacare was in effect. During that year the United States saw the fastest rate of job creation in 14 years and the best rate of economic growth in over ten years. More jobs were created in 2014 than in any year of the Bush presidency.

Not only did Obamacare not harm the economy, it coincided with the best economic expansion in a dozen years.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/19/fact-checking-obamas-press-conference-jobs-claims/

Gas prices have dropped dramatically during 2013 and 2014.
Gas prices have dropped dramatically during 2013 and 2014.

13. Republicans said if President Obama is reelected, the price of gasoline would rise to $5.45 a gallon by January 2015.

In fact, Senator Mike Lee of Utah, said if Obama were reelected, the price of gas would reach $6.60 a gallon. Newt Gingrich, who was running for president in 2012, said Obama’s energy policies, EPA regulations, and failure to approve the XL pipeline would result in $10.00 a gallon gasoline.

Of course these predictions were laughably wrong. Instead of $5.45 per gallon or $10.00 per gallon, the price of gas in January, 2015, was $1.89, less than half of the all-time high of $4.15 a gallon under President Bush.

14. Republicans said President Obama would be terrible for the economy.

Although he inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression, President Obama has presided over the longest continuous period of uninterrupted job growth in American history. More jobs have been created under President Obama than under both Bush Presidents combined. The stock market has repeatedly set new records during Obama's presidency.

Although he inherited a much worse recession than the one Ronald Reagan dealt with, Obama ended that recession and turned around our economy in half the time it took Reagan.

During his first 6 full years in office, our economy had a net increase of 6.6 million new jobs. That takes into account over 4 million jobs that were lost during Obama's first year when he was trying to pull us out of the Bush Recession. From January 2010 through summer of 2015 our economy created 12 million new jobs.

Despite Republican attempts to stop all progress, President Obama has overseen the greatest economic turnaround in over 75 years without any help from Republicans.

This chart shows the unemployment rate through 2013 and 2014 based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
This chart shows the unemployment rate through 2013 and 2014 based on data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

15. Republicans predicted that President Obama’s tax increase on the top 1% in 2013 would kill jobs, increase the deficit and cause another recession.

You guessed it. Just the opposite happened. In the two years from January 1, 2013 when that tax increase went into effect, through January, 2015, unemployment dropped from 7.9% to 5.6%, an average of more than 200,000 new jobs were created per month, Wall Street set new record highs and the budget deficit was cut in half.

Over 5.7 million new jobs were created in that 2 year period. That's more jobs created in two years than were created during the combined 12 years of both Bush presidencies.

16. Republicans said President Obama would raise taxes sky high.

It never happened. For over 95% of Americans, income taxes are the same or lower than they were before Obama was elected. The only people whose income taxes have increased are those who make more than $400,000 per year, and their taxes increased only 3%.

For most Americans, taxes are still lower now than they were under Reagan.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/190499803/Fed-U-S-Federal-Individual-Income-Tax-Rates-History-1862-2013

17. Republicans have long promised that “trickle-down economics”, is the best way to stimulate the economy.

Trickle-down economics is the practice of giving more money to the very wealthy so they can reinvest it, causing a "trickle-down" effect that creates jobs and stimulates growth. According to this theory, any tax increase on the wealthy will hurt the economy and cause another recession.

Again, this theory has been thoroughly disproven. The huge tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% of Americans enacted by George W. Bush did not result in great job creation or a robust economy. In fact, our economy took the worst nosedive since the Great Depression.

Conversely, the tax increases on the wealthiest 1% passed by Presidents Clinton and Obama were followed by strong job growth, shrinking budget deficits and lower unemployment rates. During the 8 years after President Clinton raised taxes on the top 1%, the poverty rate went down. After Bush enacted Trickle-down economic policies, the poverty rate began rising again.

18. In 2012, Republicans predicted that failure to approve the Keystone Pipeline would send the price of gasoline sky high and kill large numbers of jobs.

Despite the fact that the Keystone Pipeline was not approved, the price of gasoline continued to drop below $1.80 per gallon, millions of new jobs were created and unemployment dropped from 8% to 4.9% by early 2016.

The most optimistic predictions say that the Keystone Pipeline would only create a few dozen long term jobs and would do nothing to lower the price of gasoline.

19. Republicans insist that their policies create more jobs than Democrats and claim Democratic policies are “job killers”.

History, however, has proven them wrong. According to numbers from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, under the last 3 Republican presidents there were a total of 21 million new jobs created during their combined 20 years in office (Reagan - 16 million, George H. W. Bush - 2 million, George W. Bush – 3 million).

However, under the last 3 Democratic presidents there were a total of 40 million new jobs created during their combined 19 years in office (Carter – 10 million, Clinton – 22 million, Obama – 8 million).

So the last three Democratic presidents have seen the creation of nearly twice as many jobs in 19 years as the last three Republican presidents did in 20.

20. Republicans claim that raising the minimum wage would kill jobs and hurt the economy.

There is far more evidence to the contrary. Cities and states that have higher minimum wages tend to have better rates of job creation and economic growth.

Detailed analyses show that job losses due to increases in the minimum wage are almost negligible compared to the economic benefits of higher wages.

Previous increases in the minimum wage have never resulted in the dire consequences that Republicans have predicted.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2014/03/06/286861541/does-raising-the-minimum-wage-kill-jobs

http://www.cepr.net/index.php/blogs/cepr-blog/states-that-raised-their-minimumwage-in-2014-had-stronger-job-growth-than-those-that-didnt

Republicans have accused President Obama of "cutting defense spending to the bone". This chart of 2014 discretionary spending firmly disproves that argument.
Republicans have accused President Obama of "cutting defense spending to the bone". This chart of 2014 discretionary spending firmly disproves that argument.

21. Republicans routinely accuse Democrats of wanting to cut defense spending to the bone and leave us defenseless against our enemies.

History has repeatedly proven them wrong. Under Democratic presidents and Congresses the United States still spends more on defense than the next ten countries combined.

Republicans frequently insist on spending hundreds of billions of dollars on weapons systems that the Pentagon doesn't even want in order to benefit the multi-billion dollar defense contractors. Democrats who criticize this unnecessary spending, are accused of trying to cut defense spending to the bone.

These links below give more information about our military spending on weapons systems that the Pentagon doesn't want or need.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/military-spending-cuts/u-s-military-spending-dwarfs-rest-world-n37461

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-end-of-the-tank-the-army-says-it-doesnt-need-it-but-industry-wants-to-keep-building-it/2014/01/31/c11e5ee0-60f0-11e3-94ad-004fefa61ee6_story.html

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/congress-pushes-for-weapons-pentagon-didnt-want/nRC7w/

Just for fun, here's a lightning round of more things Republicans have been wrong about.

  • Republicans said that Obamacare would have “Death Panels” to decide who would live and who would die. Wrong. No such death panels were ever proposed and nothing of the kind ever happened.
  • They said the 2009 laws to improve automobile fuel efficiency standards would kill the US auto industry. Wrong. The new standards were followed by a resurgence of the US auto industry enabling them to hire back tens of thousands of workers.
  • They said environmental protection laws requiring companies to clean up their pollution would create undue burden and kill businesses. Nope, it never happened.
  • They said Ebola would spread across the country because President Obama allowed American Ebola patients to be treated in the US. The outbreak never happened. Only 3 people contracted Ebola in the US and all 3 survived the disease.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/outbreaks/2014-west-africa/united-states-imported-case.html

  • They said President Obama would open our borders to illegal immigrants. Wow, were they wrong. Under Obama we set new records for most illegal immigrants stopped at the border and sent home.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/10/02/u-s-deportations-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/

  • They said Obama would drive up the Federal budget deficit. Didn't happen. Obama cut the $1.4 trillion deficit he inherited by two-thirds.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/budget-deficit-shrinks-103092.html

Please don’t take my word for any of this. I encourage you to fact-check everything in this article.

While someone could no doubt find instances where Democrats engage in over-the-top rhetoric, nothing compares to the consistently false and erroneous claims made by the GOP in recent years.

When a political party has been so dismally wrong about nearly everything over the past 30 years, that party should lose all credibility.

My hope is that in the future, when Americans hear Republicans make predictions about Democratic policies that are doomed to failure, we will remember the fact that they have been utterly wrong about virtually everything they've predicted in recent years.

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      Epleeba1 2 years ago from Deep inside my own dark existence

      I'm glad someone had the time and inclination to produce this article. It precisely echoes my own opinions and adds supportive evidence I've not been motivated enough to assemble. The extremist rhetoric described has caused a weakening of our Democracy. The Republicans take advantage of the populace's reluctance to do their own research and provide them with easy-to-remember sound bytes and dire predictions. If these politicians actually believe the crap they spew, there is no question why the government is broken.

      I believe the Republican leadership is saying just what they are told to say by the real power behind the party (big money). The intent is to promote the big money agenda. A totally unimpeded supply side economy makes the rich richer. Regulation forces businesses to respect the planet, the working class, and the less fortunate people in the world. This reduces profit and the business people see that as anti-American.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Terrific hub! The truth is the first casualty of war...

      And the Republican war on America has been a horror show.

      We are about to see it amped up 100-fold.

      It's going to take every Democrat in there to stop them: those who go along....a pox on you!

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      Dennis L. Page 2 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      The republicans represent big business, behemoth corporations and the obscenely wealthy. The right wing agenda does little for the middle and lower classes, except their ongoing efforts to cut benefits to the poor, middle class and senior citizen populations. They talk about the evils of welfare and yet think nothing of the other 99% who provide welfare to the top 1%. I can sum up the republicans view simply by referring to them as the Greed Over People (GOP) party.

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      Nathan Bernardo 2 years ago from California, United States of America

      Great article, with all the facts laid out nicely, showing the sham that has gone on for decades and that has wreaked havoc in America. Glad you put it all out there and I hope people do take notice of this deceit and the danger it imposes.

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      Lee Raynor 2 years ago from Citra Florida

      Trouble is that all the true ideologues are immune to facts. Doesn't even matter if they are left or right you can't reach them with facts.

      Thus we have Fox news, Rush et al spreading misinformation with conservatives believing anything they produce.

      If the true believers were reasoning they would see that "Trickle Down" didn't work and demand that the party change. Instead we have politicians votin0g repeatedly to repeal Obama care as if doing it over and over again would change the outcome

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      ginosblog 2 years ago from Florida

      Anyone can spin the truth. Not all can care about what matters. I went thru and can rebut all of these spun comments if you would like. Just let me know. In fact I will put it in a blog for you. Look for it.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      You can spin it, but you can't change it.

      And you can rebut with words, but you can't erase experience.

      We have lived it...starting with Uncle Ronnie Rayguns.

      Nothing you say can change that.

      Nothing can erase the experience of life.

      Those of us who have lived in America know what we are talking about.

      Not from tv...but from life experience!

      This hub is right on da money.

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      ginosblog,

      I look forward to it. I fully expected someone to rebut this article when I wrote it.

      Keep in mind, the purpose of this article was not to say Republicans are evil and Democrats are angels. Democrats deserve criticism as well, but I wanted to show the consistently over-the-top rhetoric that Republicans use and help people learn not to be gullible enough to continue to fall for such highly exaggerated statements.

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      ginosblog 2 years ago from Florida

      I will go ahead and give my answer can put your spin on it.

      1. In the 1960s, Republicans claimed that passage of Medicare would be the end of capitalism.

      Medicare has been a target for crooked Politicions and Dr's for decades and now it is being attacked by Obama to pay for Obuma Care! Let's not get started on Medicais!

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      2. In 1993, when Bill Clinton raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.5%, Republicans predicted a recession, increased unemployment and a growing budget deficit.

      I did not see a mention of Clinton stealing from Social Security to balance the Budget! Guess you forgot that.

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      3. In 2001, when George W. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy, Republicans predicted record job growth, increased budget surplus and nationwide prosperity.

      Recession hit because of the Clinton Policies on Housing, if you sign you may have your own house. He new this and did nothing. As far as the budget have you checked since Obuma has been in office.

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      4. In 1993, when the Brady Law and the Assault Weapons Ban were passed, Republicans predicted increasing rates of crime and murder.

      Now only the Islamic Terrorists have assault weapons. Congrats.

      Over 30% of crime is committed by non-firearms. What is your next move? Take away steak knives?

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      5. Go back to 1987 and 1988 and check on Hussein's history with WMDs and you will see for yourself they did exist because he did not pull them out of his butt and North Iraq lost quite a number do to blindmess, death, and otherwise destruction!

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_atta...

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      6. Prior to going to war in Iraq, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld optimistically predicted the Iraq war might last “six days, six weeks, I doubt six months”. Rumsfeld was justified in his statement, like Obuma he knew nothing about what he was doing. You don't fight a war with Politicians, you fight it with strategic command, fighting men and weapons, not words!

      We have now left the Iraqis with little guidance and security just when they were rebuilding Obuma pulls out.

      We were but Obuma pulled us out and we quit too soon and now they have almost a whole country of "Attack Weapons" in the wrong hands! We obviously learned nothing from our Intel or Russia! Now as for Obuma, they don't exist.

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      7. Republicans said waterboarding and other forms of “enhanced interrogation” are not torture and are necessary in fighting Islamic extremism.

      In reality, waterboarding and other forms of enhanced interrogation which inflict pain, suffering or fear of death is the best way to deal with people that kill children in school, rape women at will, and cut heads off and upload videos. They are primitive and know nothing else and offering them a cup off coffee and an apology is not the way to deal with monsters!

      So cutting off heads is within the Geneva Convention. You have to fight these guys as they fight you or you just get people killed and appologise for your Country's short comings. I guess that is what you prefer.

      Look, I can't do this anymore. You need to take the spin out of your writings. This is a cheap shot at propaganda!

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      ginosblog-

      Thank you for giving me more examples of over-the-top rhetoric that is easily disproven.

      I had hoped you would at least try to respond or refute the actual statements in the article. But all you did was make a few snide comments and state some falsehoods.

      By failing to even make a half-hearted effort to refute the statements in the article, you are tacitly admitting that it is true. Thank you.

      I’ll comment on your responses.

      1. Not one penny has been taken from Medicare by the Affordable Care Act. You’re repeating long-disproven lies.

      2. You failed to address the issue. And by the way, Clinton ran a budget surplus for 4 years, so no money came from Social Security.

      3. Both of Bush’s recessions started during his presidency. There were zero recessions under Clinton.

      4. Nobody took anyone’s guns away. Are you hallucinating?

      5. Did you sleep through the 1990s? Saddam’s WMDs from the 80s were mostly destroyed by war and by UN Weapons inspectors. They were never the reason used by Bush to go to war.

      6. Obama did not pull us out of Iraq. We left on exactly the date Bush negotiated back in 2008. It’s called history. Learn it.

      7. Torture does not get good intel. Period. Torture probably created more terrorists than it killed. We’re supposed to be better than they are. Torturing someone just to find out IF they might be a terrorist is not American.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      The Islam-Muslim hate in America is disgusting.

      If you spoke about anyone else in that manner--you'd be shunned.

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      ginosblog 2 years ago from Florida

      Yhay's OK I expected the spin. tell me why dem's are siding with Republicans on the Pipeline now. They are waking up! Yes the Clinton policies followed in destruction of the Housing Market. That being said you think the way you want. It's still a free country, for now, but if we continue to release GITMO prisoners back to their terror cells it might not be for long. Just because Bush said we would pull out does not make it right! Obama has an agenda and it is not our safety. If you say it is and if he VETOs the Pipeline you're free to think as you please. Lets hear your take on Democrats for the last 65 years if you have the kahunas to print the truth! I can't wait for that one.

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      Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

      ginosblog - You can't handle the truth obviously. And no one will ever be able to convince you that Republicans have bad ideas that, when enacted, turn out badly. I'm sorry to hear such hate coming from your comments. Please take the time to investigate the Republican agenda. All they do is obstructionist hateful tactics. Intelligent people can see it. Sorry, that you cannot.

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      James C Moore 2 years ago from The Great Midwest

      This article is so on point, but we musr realize some people don't want "the truth" they want to believe their truth.

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      Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

      We need to find a way to bring our citizens together. We need to work together. We need to get back to basic common sense in this country and quit allowing politicians to be bought and paid for. They are supposed to be working for us!

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      Both the Democrats and Republicans have caused the US to decline, and both are responsible for the Economic Crash of 2008.

      And this will continue as long as people keep treating the political parties like their hometown sport team. When congress blows the game, we all lose, and the search for the guilty is just politics.

      For the past 100 years the two parties have moved the country to the left and right and back and forth, and even times going backwards, but rarely moving the country forward.

      We have been declining since the 1970s artificial oil shortage. Today, China is challenging us as a super power.

      Neither the democrats or the republicans care about the middle class. And much of the middle class is falling into the class below it.

      Blaming one party or the other doesn't provide a solution for the US because neither party has it.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Bull. This one is on the Republicans. And we are about to reap the full force of their ideology.

      I guess Bush 2 and 3 weren't enough. Don't say no one warned you.

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      ginosblog 2 years ago from Florida

      Big business creates jobs. I had a small business for 35 years and myself worked 8 people at all times, so multiply that Xs 100s or 1000s and tell me you hate a paycheck Big Government as Obama;s gives incentives for people to not go to work and put their hands out to grab hard worker's money and I hate dead beats, but, hey, if's that what you people want, more power to you! But when you wake up it will be way to late!

      Go pick up your welfare check!

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      I love your comments, ginosblog.

      It's hard to tell if you're for real or trying to parody the most ignorant right wing commenters.

      I see you really hate the fact that Democrats create twice as many jobs as Republicans do. Its GOP recessions that put so many people on Welfare and most are from red states.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Not ONCE have I run across a right-winger who can't discuss without personal insults....since 200six!

      I work for a small business, since 2000.

      Plenty of Americans could use the summer job, but he hires out. Cheaper labor--and they basically have to take whatever he dishes out.

      Also have a part-time job with a big corporation.

      They hire out, too.

      Same reason, I'm guessing.

      People are on welfare, because Big Business moved out of dodge.--Same reason as the other 2 above.

      People need help, because the jobs don't pay, and the cost of living outflanks the wages.

      Profits are up, however! for the elitest few.

      All of this is the result of Republicans in charge. Well--you've got charge of it again.

      So: "Don't believe me, just watch"

      Gvt is responsible to fix their blunders.

      Rich have prospered at my expense.

      Gvt did it--Gvt can reverse it.

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      pjpw2320 2 years ago

      @ginosblog

      You cannot deny economic history. You obviously don't agree so let's see your point by point rebuttal, if you can even muster one!

      And the argument that big business creates jobs has been around since the inception of Reaganomics. And guess what. It has never worked!

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      bradmasterOCcal 2 years ago from Orange County California

      These comments really make my point.

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      pjpw2320 2 years ago

      Great write up from the author.

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      Jeffrey 2 years ago

      Yes you article SO totally true,, yes the country is SO much better today based on your completely biased view of the Rep's vs. Dem's.. Obviously you can see how much better off we are as a nation. I mean obama is truly a god and wow we are SO lucky to have him at the run of the last 40/50 years,, i mean what the hell ,,, shouldn't we be bowing at his feet,, and maybe if we get lucky we can get him to blow off the constitution again and make sure that he runs a third time... won't that be great? Listen Mr smarty pants neither party has done a great job with this county stop being a blow hard and look reality in the face and know that your totally one sided view is just as ass backward as the truth about what's going on. You are definitely a Major Mr spin.. good luck going forward with Billary as the Prez ,, again another 4 probably 8 years with someone who doesn't deserve to be a dogcatcher,, clinton in the background or not,, she will make obama look like a kindergartner,, oy vey,,

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      like I said....cannot discuss without insults.

      Let's have an instance where trickle-down worked for anyone but the rich.

      Please show how cutting taxes for millionaires has ever helped the US economy.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Surplus to deficit:

      "Bush’s unpaid wars and the recession played a roll in pushing the federal budget into the red, the tax cuts were far and away the leading cause of the turnaround."

      http://billmoyers.com/2014/12/04/voodoo-econ/

      *****

      Of course,all I know is,around 200six--I could no longer live on my income.....beginning of perpetual debt.

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      Wow, it is amusing how right wingers are incapable of replying to factual information with any kind of, oh you know, facts or even a plausible argument to support their viewpoint.

      They have to fall back on the "Obama is a God" snark because they have nothing else. No successful policies by Republicans to brag about, no statistics, not even a spirited debate to defend their political views.

      The rage and hatred just spews out of every sentence because that is all Republicans know.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      It's true! Even on twitter....the local blog....all they do is malign and play victim!

      Anytime you disagree: out comes the nasty

      Then they speculate about what awful things could be done to them,while they are already being done to those whom they oppose!

      no one's taking their guns

      no one's taking their speech

      they still get THEIR medicare and social security

      their religion rules.......

      Yet,somehow they are the victims of America.

      "Put upon" because it was a Democrat's turn to rule.

      "Discriminated against"because other people want the same privileges they enjoy

      Well--they put a pretty good stop to Obama, and now they have their power back.

      And it's nothing but the same old repressive and cruel policies as before.

      1980...part six!

      and then have the nerve to say that we who have lived under it don't know exactly what it is

      We know what it is....as the saying goes--we may have been born at night...but not last night!

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      Alan 2 years ago

      for all you obama lovers,, the RICH LOVE obama,, look at the top 1%,, they have grown even richer,, so who are you all kidding,, he's the best things that's happened to the wealthy in this country,, oh shush don't say anything or look now,, that's right that darn debt,,,, what a crazy inconvenient truth , gosh its only 18 trillion as i finish this sentence,, obama has created more debt than EVERY SINGLE PRESIDENT prior to him,, but eh who cares , right? I mean he is SO great obama,,,, poor mr obama so misunderstood,, what a shame,, all you freaking progressives think your so smart,, but its ok you will all get what you deserve,,

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      Alan,

      I don't know what you've been reading but nobody here is worshiping Obama. He's far from perfect but he has certainly done far better than the recent Republican presidents who preceded him.

      Obama did not run up all that debt. He inherited a $1.4 trillion deficit from Bush. He has cut that deficit by 2/3.

      Compare that to Bush. He inherited a budget surplus and turned it into a $1.4 trillion deficit. It's quite an accomplishment to start with a budget surplus and then run up more debt than every president before you combined, but that is what Bush did.

      If Republicans would have worked with Obama to create jobs and stimulate the economy, the deficit would have been much smaller. They successfully used the filibuster over 400 times to stop or stall every effort to improve the economy strictly for political reasons.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes--we could have been booming...all of us,not just the select few.

      We were Koch-blocked....literally

      Do you know,I read that the reason Koch and Adelson worked so hard against Obama is because he wanted to end the carried-interest loop-hole.

      Can you imagine......putting your self-interest ahead of this great country....despicable!

      Obama's election opened up the ugly that still lives here.....and it's not ready to die yet...but it's certainly being exposed.

      And I read that despite all the obstruction,Obama has done some fantastic things behind the scenes....things that can't easily be undone.Holder,too.

      Because I mean...look at the fore-front in this world recently....nothing but lies and propaganda.Endlessly

      No--I think things might be ok here,because people are sick to death of it

      --Listen,my daughter does NOT appreciate being told that she's a sl*t for taking birth control.She was incensed at that all-male religio hearing about her rights and freedoms.

      They have another anti-abortion vote coming up....Keep it up,just keep it coming

      The issue of Social Security...Bring it on!

      Of course,it won't affect those people who voted them into office....but it will affect their kids.

      Taking money from disabled.....oh,that's a good strategy....

      but listen....it has to be done,so Mitt and Shelly(walmart,branson,,whoever,the lot of them!) can keep more money in overseas money-scams

      Can't you see who the victims are here.....25 billion is just not enough!

      I weep everyday for the poor rich people who Obama so viciously asked to give a little more.

      That woman and kid on the street....should have kept her legs closed!

      That vet with ptsd...stop acting!

      Pull up your invisible boot-straps and be an American...like me!

      aka:get rich from the American people,take the money and run,claim"we're broke"....

      A Classic scam!Just classic!

      *clap**clap**clap*

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      *sigh*....stupid--100 for 100 on Right Wing behavior.

      Obama took on Bush's debt when he came into office.....you know,the wars and tax cuts that were on that big credit card in the sky.....(China)

      Really--a right-winger has NOTHING to say about debt OR deficit!

      "Reagan showed us deficits don't matter"--Richard 'go-f-yourself' Cheney

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      Alan,

      Before you comment, you should understand the difference between the debt and the deficit. Your ignorance on this matter makes it hard to take anything you say seriously.

      Also, you're wrong about the amount of debt created under Obama. The national Debt stood at 11 trillion before Obama spent one single dime. Since then it has increased by another 6 trillion.

      Now if you can do math, you can determine that 6 trillion is not more than 11 trillion. So no, Obama did not run up more debt than every president before him combined.

      Here is a link where you can see the raw numbers for yourself.

      http://useconomy.about.com/od/usdebtanddeficit/p/U...

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      alan 2 years ago

      If you think that "about.com" is NOT just another progressive hiding spot then again its almost not worth discussing. How about we take a look at a neutral site - investors business daily-that explains what really is going on and as you read please note the very last line. Clearly we need only to discuss how severe will we be when hopefully the GENIUS, (who btw, wouldn't know an economic discussion if it smacked him in his face), leaves office so perhaps America will get some sanity and elect some one that will actually honor the constitution and and have some appreciation for this country and actually hand in a real budget instead of pretending its the congresses fault for not and bring some sanity to this country. Also,, please stop pushing the progressive agenda constantly even you who i guess has some brains and just open your eyes where even YOU can see that we are not any better off now than when that idiot was elected,,,

      http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/011615-73...

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      Alan,

      Investors Business Daily is not by any stretch of the imagination a politically neutral site. But for the sake of this discussion, lets just pretend that it is.

      The next time you post a link to an article, I suggest you try to find one that actually supports your view, and not mine. I read the article, and the only difference between the Investors Business Daily article and what I said was that they attribute the $1.4 trillion deficit for 2009 to Obama when it was really the result of Bush.

      But even if you accept their numbers, Investors Business Daily still supports my statement and not yours. Obama did not run up more debt than all other presidents combined. Not even close. Did you even bother to read the article that you posted the link to?

      But please keep shooting blanks. I enjoy your comments.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

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      ginosblog 2 years ago from Florida

      All I can say is if you don't believe in bettering yourself and working for someone else all your life and having the Government tell you when to go to the bathroom and when and what to eat , put toxins into your food, take your money ( if you work ) in tax dollars and keep the blacks in obscurity then your where you want to be. I'm happy for you. Sit back and collect your welfare checks and have your illegitimate children or run out on your family as many of you do! How many of you kept your insurance and Dr,s? God, your totally blind and I feel for you! Obama could not run a dog grooming business and that's sad your happy with a do nothing but against the country acts President. there could be a much better tax program in which all paid their share, there could be a much better in line with the people Health Care Program, and there could be much more jobs if Obama was not totally Muslim aligned. Last comment on the subject. Have a ball.

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      Yes Dear 2 years ago from Cape Cod, USA

      What planet are you living on.....that had NO semblance of reality!IMO

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      Ginosblog -

      Sorry to hear that you won't be commenting anymore. I will miss your long incoherent rambling sentences, your pointless screeds and your total failure to remember anything about the past 20 years.

      Take care.

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      Dennis L. Page 2 years ago from New York/Pennsylvania border

      It is a sad commentary when someone can loathe a person so much that a reader can see the foaming/frothing at the mouth of the words they spew. I tried repeatedly to read and make sense out of the response from Florida and quite frankly, I only came away with a sense this person is filled with so much blind hatred that they can't even put together a cohesive thought. The person in question regurgitates the jumbled, misinformed and innuendo filled rhetoric they obviously consume from a myriad of sources with zero credibility in the journalistic world. The best part is how these same people, who are at the core of malcontent, wonder how this country became so divided. WOW!

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      Paul 2 years ago from Liverpool, England

      I shall ask Senator Inhofe to pray for you.

      Good luck dealing with the tinfoil hat brigade.

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      Sanxuary 2 years ago

      Is it not amazing how paying attention that anyone can come up with 21 lies that Republicans tell. The list is a whole lot longer and actual lies could fill a book as well. I already decided a long time ago that people who vote for them are just stupid. They are the ones who would jump off a bridge because someone told them to. Our current process stinks but Republicans offer nothing in the way of a better life for the majority of people in this country. When confronted with the truth they will blame anyone except the people who deserve it.

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      mighty tegu 2 years ago

      Iv never followed this 'blog'; yet I can safely say that after reading all the posts-- and neutrally reviewing the content OF the posts------------- I would stay away from associating with rightwing 'regressives' as they don't seem to have very strong facts ( if any) rather- they garner opinions and bavardage they have read -- not looked into on their own-- and seem to enjoy hurling infantile insults when they are confronted with true ( and easily corroborated ) facts. I really like the hanging on to "KENYA" & "BENGHAZI" & "SPENDING" & "COMING FOR YOUR GUNS'' insanity even as its been PROVEN to be collectively and individually false-- OH: shall we now perhaps study " Putin plays chess/ Obama plays checkers" VIS A VIS Russias economy since our President started tightening sanctions???

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      Cathy 2 years ago

      Republicans are a Southern Party. And Southern men prefer to vote away their dollars to some hedge fund in New York City. The lies and scams continue unabated. Why? No they aren't unintelligent. Germany was the most advanced in Europe. And yet look what they fell for. Fairy tale ridiculous crap. Goebbels invented the Propaganda that gave Nazis a good run. Republicans use the same method. Repeat the trickle down lie often enough and the population absorbs it.

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      Austinstar 2 years ago from Somewhere in the universe

      I disagree that Republicans are Southern. I grew up in Tx and it was a Democratic state my whole life until all the Northern 'carpetbaggers' moved down here and started destroying everything. They screwed it up in the North and then when they ran out of jobs, they moved down here where there was plenty of prosperity. Now, it's gone. Thank you G.W. Bush and company. (G.W. acts like he's from Texas, but look where he was raised and went to school and you will see he's no Texan)

      As far as the other Southern states, well, they just had too much religion to combat. They are poor and have nothing else to cling to, apparently.

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      Claude J Woods Jr 2 years ago

      The truth is that they (Republicans) knew exactly what they were purposing. To keep a disproportionate gap between the Rich corporations and the middle class. All by being fooled that they were and are apart of the 1%.

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      Ralph Novy 2 years ago

      An important thing to note here is that these decisions and policies were not "mistakes" made in good faith. They were deliberating promoted and implemented with lies -- LOTS of lies. Most Republicans knew exactly what they were promoting, but lied about it anyway. They are not good people.

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      ifthisbeterror 2 years ago

      Your point is well-taken, but some of these examples are due to larger, context-dependent events or trends quite different than what is implied by the stark black-and-white presentation here. Items 4, 9, 13 and 18 particularly stick out as examples. I share your Progressive sentiments, but fair play--exactly the opposite of what the other side does--suggests a more nuanced reading with some of these.

      Also, I'm far, far less sanguine than you seem to be in Item 21. For shame that both parties have stood ever up as the Party for War!

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      Paul 2 years ago from Liverpool, England

      Sadly, all the lies and the scaremongering are to convince the Foxtards and Tea Partiers (I know, almost the same sets) - it'll never stop.

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      Danny Ingram 2 years ago

      This post is made up of quite a few lies tha t liberals tell. Like this job creation crap. I call killing tens of thousands of full time jobs and then replacing them with part time help and calling that creating jobs, just a flat out lie. And nothing but lies coming out of the white house latley. But then that's nothing new.

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      terry banta 2 years ago

      i remember as a child in the 80's that 300k job creation barely kept up with population growth. now we get 200-250k and joy erupts but now we look at the labor participation rate and see the numbers at a point not seen since WW2. my opinion is that neither side is willing to compromise and the excessive regulations and executive fiat by this president has done more damage to this country than any war could. i read all the posts over the last hour and i see a lack of reality from both sides. look in the mirror before you comment.

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      Danny Ingram -

      If you're going to accuse someone of lying you need to back up your claim with something other than your opinion. Republicans are the ones who killed ten million jobs and then fought against every attempt at job creation.

      And when it comes to lies coming out of the White House, nothing compares to the Bush administration.

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      Terry banta -

      I remember in 2008 the last Republican president gave us 750,000 jobs lost per month. It takes a lot of job creation to make up for the 10 million jobs that Republicans killed.

      In case you haven't noticed in recent months, not only have we added several million new jobs, but the labor participation rate is going back up and more of the jobs are professional and office jobs.

      What I've seen in the past six years is President Obama pleading with Republicans to work with him and they are flatly refuse any cooperation.

      Obama only used his executive authority when Congress refuses to do anything.

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      ivory Joe 2 years ago

      Excellent article....Right wing lunatic denial abound!

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      Billy Taylor 2 years ago from NY

      Only 21 reasons lol...Number 12 is great because Obamacare was a great idea.

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      Tate Murray 2 years ago

      Republicans knew hurricane Katrina would screw up the levels in New Orleans but guess what they did?

      Nothing

      Because it was a city of democrats they didn't do Bull they Just sat on their Bums and watched the "Fun" take place

      They murdered New Orleans and Hurricane Katrina took the blame they drove out the Democrats by making some of them homeless.

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      matinva 2 years ago

      Written by a true head-in-the-sand liberal. Most of it is BS. Since 2008, Democrats have lost 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats, 910 state legislative seats, 30 state legislative chambers and 11 governors' offices. America knows exactly what failure looks like and is in the process of fixing the problem.

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      jeff61b 2 years ago

      Matinva -

      You can call it BS but you haven't made any attempt to refute any of it.

      Please offer some facts and tell us what is not true about about this article.

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      Stephen Augustine 2 years ago

      This is far and away the best complete, condensed summary of events I have yet encountered.

      Three Cheers For Hubpages

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      Larry Wall 2 years ago

      The Democrats push forward the Civil Rights Legislation. They fought for increases in the minimum wage and at a time when it was necessary, supported organized labor. That support may not be needed today, but it was at one time.

      I really despise party politics. It should be neither party doing these things. We should demand that the Congress work together to "promote the general welfare and provide for the common defense," preamble to the Constitution.

      Our system today is not one of government, it is one of gamesmanship. Times are too serious to be playing games.

      For the record. I do not belong to any political party.

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      Sanxuary 2 years ago

      When I read through all these blogs it is like comedy central. Republicans are Southern talk about out of date. Lets blame Obama when he can not pass a vote in Congress or the Senate. They made him a lame duck which makes him even more innocent. I hate both parties to be honest and that makes it easy for me to give you an assessment. They all should be fired and if we were a parliament the Government would be shut down and new elections ordered.

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      Larry Wall 2 years ago

      I am not in total disagreement with you. I think the blame game has gotten out of hand. However, I am not ready to overhaul our system of government, but I would like a constitutional amendment for term limits, a restructuring of the House and Senate rules and a few other things that will not happen in my lifetime.

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      david305 24 months ago

      If you want to know who to believe, look up their past predictions.

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      Larry Wall 24 months ago

      Then you could not believe anyone completely, because no president has been able to pass every item he wants plus all the things his party wants. If that happens we go to democracy to dictatorship, because no person and no political party has all the right answers.

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      LeRoy Rozell 24 months ago

      Of course no one is perfect, but this President has out performed all others in spite of a "Do Nothing" Congress and some lying on our airwaves.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 24 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      I registered in 1966 as a Republican. I remained a Republican until 2004 when I could tolerate no more of my tax dollars being handed to Corporations I knew were filthy profitable and creating a huge disparity between rich and the middle and worse, decimating standard labor practices unions were created to protect. I left when I could tolerate NO more of Bush's phony presidency.

      When you stand Bush and Cheney side by side, you see who really was the back room GOP president. Don't be fooled that Bush '43 was the first front man president. Since the GOP was thoroughly shamed by the tyrannical Nixon, they vowed never again to allow ANY GOP president to do what presidents are supposed to do as members of the executive branch. Instead, the GOP took on the patina of remodeling government to resemble corporate structures..with a board of "executives" and a back room CEO who wields power based on obscene wealth.

      Anyone who has been a long term Republican and happens to also be a woman knows that the only voices the GOP want to hear are male tyrant voices. Out of the 2016 slate of candidates from the GOP, only 2 are women. What does that tell you?

      Then, there's the matter of these front men presidents. It is NOT a coincidence that Reagan, already too advanced in age was suffering the onset of Alzheimer's. But they call it "conspiracy" to say the GOP knew Reagan's medical history. And why not? George Herbert Walker Bush was once head of the CIA and that kind of medical information is easy to get.

      Next front man? George Herbert Walker Bush, the "Gentler, Kinder" president who since his Nixon days was a crony of Cheney and Rumsfeld. The real "Axis of Evil" homegrown. GHWB was putty in the hands of the more tyrannical Cheney. But, both had the same wealthy Big Oil cronies to make a Bush'41 presidency happen. Only a fool believes that the back room was not commandeering the Bush '41 presidency rife with Bush's involvement in IranContraGate.

      Bush '43 was already a 2-time failure plus he had a serious problem with alcoholism in his younger days. He was jailed in Princeton NJ for being drunk and disorderly. Daddy bailed him out. He spent 6 months in the TX Air National Guard and only managed to squeak into that military position thanks to his Daddy's friendship with a Brigadier General. It was not a coincidence that prior to his becoming president not one word was mention about his bankrupting his own oil company and a TX sports team. Would we have voted for Bush '43 if this had been as publicized as the GOP vengefully plays their GET HILLARY war? You bet not. How many of the media cronies did Cheney have to pay off to insure that info was not leaked until well after Bush was elected and only by a Supreme Court decision, the help of his brother JEB Governor of Florida and hanging chads.

      The most indictable offense against the GOP is their refusal to be transparent. I learned this finely honed art from my former days in the party. To GOP men, silence and timely use thereof is an art form.

      Here is the MOST indictable fact about GOP presidents: EVERY GOP president, with the exception of GHWB has had a 2nd term recession. EVERY one. The only reason GHWB didn't was because he never got the chance. He served only 1 term. Now, you know why the GOP declares war on any DEM president. It's the old cowboy revenge.

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      Larry Wall 24 months ago

      Actually, it is getting a little boring. There are accusations being made which cannot be proved or are connected to other circumstances. The only reason George HW Bush served one term is because Ross Perot siphoned off enough of the conservative vote to allow Clinton to win. Clinton left us with a surplus, then we had 9-11, later we had Hurricanes Katrina and Rita (I live in Louisiana and experienced both of them first hand.) Our Democratic governor would not accept the help offered by the federal government. It was a political fiasco on top of one of the worse natural disasters in our history.

      I said this before, and no one cares, but you cannot evaluate history by looking at events in isolation. You can form a short term conclusion, but the real results may not be realized until decades later. That is the way history works.

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      DON SOUTH 24 months ago

      As a conservative, I do admit there is a great deal of truth in this article.

      There is also quite a bit of spin in it too. All of these points, however, not only contain some inaccurate information but also are "ballooned"to prove the writers assertions. Each point would have to be debated individually for total truth.

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      Daniel Guillot 23 months ago

      The 'World Is Literally About To Blow Up,,, sure it is,,, and Romney will win in a landslide,, Obamacare will be repealed,,Obama will be a one term president, You can't enforce a minmum wage or industry will collapse...You can't permit interracial marriage or society will collapse...You can't end segregation or society will collapse...You can't grant minorities equal rights or society will collapse...You can't regulate pollution or industry will collapse...

      You can't raise the debt ceiling or the economy will collapse...You can't legalize gay marriage or society will collapse...HEY REPUBLICANS DON’T LOOK NOW, BUT YOUR TRACK RECORD AT PREDICTING SSSSUCKS,,,, ACA will fail- just like Benghazi will bring down the president, just like fast and furious will bring down the president, just like having too many czars will bring down the president"

      Don' t you GOPers ever get tired of being sooooooo wrong ?

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 23 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      I was a Republican from 1966 to 2004. I saw firsthand locally and on a state level what had gone so wrong with the GOP today: the ultimate degree of arrogance, defiance and need to control the entire country.

      Add to their their neurotic reliance on fearmongering to scare ONLY those of their political ideological extremist followers who fall for every word out of the GOP's mouth and you see just why the GOP today must, must, must rely on devious, back room, underhanded skankola to accomplish anything.

      When a party is bent on turning a government "of the people, for the people, by the people into a nationwide corporation with the silly premise that only Big Business corporate CEO know how to "run" government, the lie begins.

      Have corporate CEOs really run their businesses with such success? NO they have not. Not when their chief operative and every budget includes a massive dose of tax cuts and tax subsidies paid for by those of us who are NOT their employees.

      This is the big lie. How many of the US's top business men are in prison? Let me help you recall: Madoff, a 17-year CEO who bilked his own clients out of $67 billion. Add in the Enron boys who lived large by bilking 33,000 Enron employees out of their retirements.

      But wait, the list is not complete: Tyco's CEO, Kozlowski? Prison for using "profits" to buy a $7,000 shower curtain. One of the TX Huntmans? Prison for fraud. The CEO of Healthcare South? Bilked customers by jacking HMO premiums, copays and deductibles. Then, there was Bernie Ebbers, another white collar criminal who ended up in jail.

      But let's talk about how much more efficient these corporate businessmen can run government.

      As for the GOP boys themselves, 3 GOP Speakers of the House, Gingrich, DeLay and Haster, all forced to resign for sneaky underhanded tactics like tax fraud and Pay to Play.

      You bet I left these GOP crooks. Allowing your government to be privatized more than it already is means you get what you asked for...Nationwide Madoffing, more Enronitis and more GOP fearmongering to use our tax revenues to line their own pockets.

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      DawnM Samora 22 months ago from Akron, Ohio

      Jeff,

      Wow, what a great article. You took the time to give statistics and did great research. I was brought up a Republican, but now I realize I am more Democrat. Thanks for a great Hub! -Dawn

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      RogerRamjet1776 21 months ago

      Hi Jeff,

      I've been looking over this list and I'm finding that it's a bit disingenuous. Actually, its really disingenuous...

      Item 1) Having listened to Reagan on numerous occasions regarding the overall problem that is "socialized medicine", it's rather clear that although his timing was off, he was mostly right. He warned us all that Medicare would eventually become a behemoth that, although brings benefits to many, would eventually spiral out of control with fraud, abuse, inefficiency and unsustainable financial requirements.

      From it's onset, Medicare has kept getting bigger, more expensive, less efficient and even tyrannical. (Medicare is the largest denier of medical services anywhere). Without the accounting gimmicks that anyone other than the government would be incarcerated for, the program would long ago been considered “bankrupt”. But don’t take my word for it. The actuaries themselves tell us that it's bankrupt.

      https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-S...

      if you wanted to point out who was wrong on the subject of Socialized Medicine, you’d quote LBJ who signed this mess into law in 1965. He described it as another insurance system: “[ T] hrough this new law . . . every citizen will be able, in his productive years when he is earning, to insure himself against the ravages of illness in his old age.” Note the word “Insure”. Medicare is not an insurance program. It’s an inter-generational wealth redistribution scheme from young to old. You know, Socialism. And, the longer it goes unreformed, the less likely it’s going to be fixed. And I think that is your objective: To confiscate wealth and redistribute it as you and yours see fit.

      Rapidly approaching is the time when these social experiments will actually consume the vast majority of the federal budget, leaving little room for much else. What then? That’s not addressed in your hit-and-run post on Medicare.

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      jeff61b 21 months ago

      Roger -

      Virtually everything Reagan said was untrue. He said the government would tell doctors where they could practice, thus where they could live. He said the government would begin to control every aspect of our lives. While some Republicans do want to control what goes on in your bedroom, there is no government intrusion like Reagan predicted.

      LBJ was right about Medicare. It does not redistribute wealth. Millions of Americans have lived longer, healthier, happier and more productive lives because of Medicare. And they don’t need to worry about going bankrupt or losing their home because of medical expenses.

      Remember, Medicare remains the single most popular health insurance program in the entire country.

      This “social experiment” is far more efficient than any private health insurance program. Most private insurance companies have about 25% overhead costs. Medicare only has 3%.

      I realize a lot of people like you want to kill Medicare and Social Security so you can continue redistributing the country’s wealth to the top 1%. That’s why articles like this are important – so people can be made aware of the facts.

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      Austinstar 21 months ago from Somewhere in the universe

      Roger, do you propose that we just keep lending money from Medicare to pay for wars that kill our young people? Oh that way, you could eliminate the old people too! Two for one. I mean all us old folks that paid into medicare can just die and get it over with, right? We don't desrve to get our own money back. Give it to the military. Obviously they know how to spend our money.

      Quit robbing from the poor to pay the rich bastards that think wars are the answer to evrything.

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      bradmasterOCcal 21 months ago from Orange County California

      Jeff

      You seem to confuse truth.

      SS is running out of money as more people retire, and less people contribute to it. It is a Ponzi Scheme because the Trust Fund was never set up to earn real money, like the Federal Employee Retirement System enjoyed by government employees.

      Medicare has been the mechanism for fraud since its inception. Then they take 750 billion dollars of it for ACA.

      Forcing people to participate into SS, Medicare and ACA is a government intrusion telling you want you have to do.

      Spying on the population is another intrusion. Using the Patriot Act was pathetic, and another instance of bad government. The Internal Revenue Code supported by both the democrats and the republicans is the mechanism by which the rich can keep their wealth, but it provides little to no ways for the middle class to keep their money.

      As long as people think that one party has the answer to moving the country forward, the country will continue to decline. History has shown that both parties had control at different times, and today is the result of their efforts.

      You can play search for the guilty, but in the end today is the vector of both parties.

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      RogerRamjet1776 21 months ago

      Hi Jeff,

      As I said, Reagan’s timing was off. But he clearly insinuated that additional government control results in less liberty. And on a myriad of issues, including healthcare, he was right. My brother is a physician (Orthopedic surgeon) who has stopped taking new medicare patients. He literally turns them away because the government cannot operate in an efficient manner, nor are they willing to pay him for the services he provides.

      More and more are turning them away:

      http://www.nextavenue.org/what-do-if-your-doctor-w...

      So, what is your next solution, Jeff? C’mon… Say it! Pull some intestinal fortitude out of that bleeding heart of yours and SAY IT!! OK… I’’ll say it for you: You’ll advocate a compulsory system that forces Doctors to take the program and not refuse patients based on their coverage.

      Oh, man - That’s exactly what Reagan said!

      Respectfully, your paragraph on LBJ is typical of the Left. You skip over the empirical data (that Medicare is essentially financed as a Ponzi scheme paid for by today’s youth who are compelled to pay into a system that they have NO CHANCE of benefiting from when they get old), and jump to another point that Reagan made: That some will indeed benefit from these programs. No surprise there. My octogenarian mother is a HUGE beneficiary of Medicare. She’s also a very conservative American who loathes Obama, but has no choice when it comes to her healthcare. She’s completely dependent on a horrifically inefficient system that is bankrupt (see actuaries) and will - as Reagan predicted - eventually collapse. The actuaries say that time is coming within a few years.

      Why didn’t you address the actuaries’ admonishment to us all in every annual report dating back to 2006?

      You’re final paragraph is sophomoric, and I’m dissipated by it. It’s a tattoo-laden, tye-dyed attempt to deflect hard questions by degrading the person asking the hard questions. I am NOT a Republican, as I loathe them ALMOST as much as i do the Left. They are “thick as thieves", these two, stealing from future generations to pay for today’s horrific mistakes - like not reforming Medicare and Social Security.

      I’ll wait for your reply before moving on to Bill Clinton’s economic record (Item #2). It’s one of my favorite topics.

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      RogerRamjet1776 21 months ago

      Bradmaster sez:

      "As long as people think that one party has the answer to moving the country forward, the country will continue to decline. History has shown that both parties had control at different times, and today is the result of their efforts."

      Highest marks, my friend.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Eh, not really. More like repubs screw it up, dems fix it, repubs take credit, gullible people buy it, and repubs are elected again.

      It's called the 2 Santa Claus theory.

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      Larry Wall 21 months ago

      I paid into Social Security and now I receive a monthly check. I could not buy insurance for two years, for the past two years I was able to purchase insurance because of the ACA.

      Life is not so bad. I did not plan to stop working before I was 60, but my old boss had a different plan.

      There are a bunch of you who are not happy about anything. I hope you find something good about this country. If you can't I would consider relocation. You might miss out on a few things, but to hear all of you speak, you are already missing.

      One party never had the answer. Two parties do not have the answer. That is why the President and Supreme Court has gained so much power. Congressmen, for the most part are there to play. They do not have to make individual decisions about deploying troops, overturning a state law or thngs like that. They just like to complain.

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      bradmasterOCcal 21 months ago from Orange County California

      RogerRamJet1776

      Thanks

      It is strange how the loyal party voters always think it is the other party that is screwing up.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      No kidding. People actually blamed Obama for TARP, the recession, and some 30% think Obama messed up Hurricane Katrina.

      It's the lies they listen to in the media.

      An orchestrated hate campaign designed to bring us down as a country, while the well-heeled rob us blind.

      By George: it's working!

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      Larry Wall 21 months ago

      Katrina happened during the Bush administration and the foul up came from the Bush appointed FEMA director and failure of states, including my own state of Louisiana to cooperate with the federal government. I was monitoring gasoline supplies and refinery operations for about four weeks after the storm to advise state officials on the fuel supply. I worked for an oil and gas trade association. Various laws make it impossible for competiting refineries to work together. So information has to be provided to goovernment officials to broker deals. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve, giant salt domes holding gasoline, fill in a lot of the gap. Whenever gasoline prices go up, some group wants to tap that supply. No president has approved that. It is for emergencies. In this case, oil companies borrowed the gasoline from the SPR and then replace it when the refineries were back on line. All things considered, it was a pretty good operation.

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      bradmasterOCcal 21 months ago from Orange County California

      Each president and each congress put us in the place we find ourselves today.

      It is not a good place, and it won't get any better until we make changes, like not being loyal party voters.

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      jeff61b 21 months ago

      Bradmaster –

      I see you’re still repeating that long disproven lie about how $700 billion was taken from Medicare to pay for the Affordable Care Act.

      There were reforms made which saved over $700 billion in Medicare spending, but every penny of that savings stayed in the Medicare program. That is why Medicare, which was projected to begin running short of money by 2017, has been extended by another 13 years.

      If, as you claim, $700 billion was taken from Medicare, why has Medicare’s solvency been extended by 13 more years?

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      jeff61b 21 months ago

      RogerRamjet –

      The claim was that Medicare would bring about the end of capitalism. That was laughably untrue. Listening to the Reagan audio again, I hear one wrong prediction after another about how government will tell us where to live and what we can do for a career. Not a word of it is any closer to coming true today than it was 50 years ago.

      We still do not have government run health care or "socialized medicine". Doctors, clinics, hospitals, insurance companies (except for Medicare) and pharmaceutical companies are all private, for-profit entities and not run by the government.

      Your view of Medicare as a “Ponzi scheme” is more radical than even the most extreme politicians today. Even the most conservative Republicans only suggest that we should “fix” Medicare. You suggest it should not exist at all.

      As I mentioned, despite its admitted problems, Medicare remains the single most popular health insurance system in the country. There is no denying that millions upon millions of people have lived longer, healthier, happier lives because of the Medicare program.

      There are some relatively painless ways to fund Medicare so it will be solvent for many more decades, but there are enough people in Congress who oppose any fix to Medicare that we haven’t been able to make it happen.

      You expressed bumper-sticker logic by saying that Medicare is an attempt to redistribute wealth. I simply pointed out that wealth has been steadily redistributed to the top 1% for the past 35 years. I would like to stop that redistribution and help everyone else. Apparently that offends you so instead of replying to the content of what I said you take personal shots at me.

      In case the title didn’t give it away, this article expresses a political viewpoint. The opinions expressed in the article are backed up with facts and links to sources where you can verify those facts. I am not thrilled with either political party. Politicians of any strip are flawed human beings and susceptible to the temptation for corruption. But I tend to agree with one party more than the other. I look for solutions through the party that I believe works to benefit the greatest number of Americans.

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      bradmasterOCcal 21 months ago from Orange County California

      Jeff

      how special that you really believe in reforms.

      Why should there be any connection between Medicare and the ACA?

      On paper or in any form.

      SS, Mediccare, and ACA are Taxes.

      The first two are ponzi in that they need new blood to keep it going. The blood is running low.

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      bradmasterOCcal 21 months ago from Orange County California

      Jeff

      SS and Medicare only apply to wage earners, but you know that the big incomes are not derived from wages, and therefore don't have to pay for these mandated taxes.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Repeating republican lies makes you a loyal party Republican! Too much o that around here.....claiming to be unbiased, but clearly favor one side.

      Hint: it's obvious to all but you

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      RogerRamjet1776 21 months ago

      Hi Jeff,

      One of the most consistent characteristics of the Leftist is the tendency for his public policy to be based on its immediate effects or its effect on a specific group without regard to long-term consequences for the economy and nation generally.

      Economist Henry Hazlitt argued that this phenomenon is part of a broader problem: The majority of mistakes in economic policy occur due to the “special pleading of selfish interests” and the tendency to ignore secondary consequences. "In this lies almost the whole difference between good economics and bad. The bad economist sees only what immediately strikes the eye; the good economist also looks beyond. The bad economist sees only the direct consequences of a proposed course; the good economist looks also at the longer and indirect consequences. The bad economist sees only what the effect of a given policy has been or will be on one particular group; the good economist inquires also what the effect of the policy will be on all groups.”

      Sure, Reagan’s predictions were a but much. But so what? And of course these programs are “popular”. Government handouts are always popular, most especially when you’re at the apex of the Ponzi scheme. Yet, look at what’s happening to the finances behind these federal programs. Even the actuaries say that they are going to collapse. (I’ve been through this with several of my friends on the Left sand they NEVER address the actuaries warnings. You would have been the first…)

      Nevertheless, the laws of economics are immune to the political sphere. If you look at these schemes as does Hazlitt, you can clearly see that, just because they survive the laws of politics, they cannot escape the laws of economics.

      Medicare is funded by today’s workers, who are having their incomes confiscated and placed into a system that pays for today’s services with the contributions of TOMORROW’s beneficiaries. It, along with Social Security, are pyramid schemes that would land us all in jail if we were to try it in the private sector.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Know what else is popular? Tax give-aways to the uber rich. Which is what's underneath anything the rw says. That, and repealing roe v Wade. Oh and keeping the blood money flowing with the new al-queda to vanquish.

      Still u won't consider the same people are behind it all.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 21 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      RogerRamjet...One of the hallmarks of the GOP and the right wing today is a glib response to serious problems the GOP creates. Yours is proof.

      You posted, the Leftist is the tendency for his public policy to be based on its immediate effects or its effect on a specific group without regard to long-term consequences for the economy and nation generally."

      So..according the glib right, 9/11 should have been shoved under a rug at the moment it happened? Get real.

      Yes, the left sees immediate effects. And much to the chagrin of the right, we intend to continue to do it so long as conservatives continue to try and bankrupt the rest of us with their greed.

      Explain please how the immediate effect of handing a 2001 tax cut resulted in the US GAO's report in 2004 that showed the highest US incomes gained an 11% increase in wealth. Show us please how the US DOL's report in 2008 that reported from 2004 to 2008, 8 million Americans lost jobs.

      No wealth man earns wealth ALL by himself. He owes ALL employees, consumers and taxpayers from whom his wealth comes. Sorry if that's a current effect...but it's one that conservatives try to shove under a rug hoping we will just pretend the mindless hardship conservatism is imposing on the middle and lower class is just fun fun fun. Yeesh..how do these men sleep at night?

      Do tell us how men like McConnell and Boehner, the minute the election was called in Obama's favor in 2008, treasonously held a secret meeting to declare war on this president....that your idea of current effects and reacting to it?

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      bradmasterOCcal 21 months ago from Orange County California

      My opinion to all you party loyalists is that it took both parties to create the ever increasing billionaires, and the shrinking of the middle income, it is derived from the Federal Income Tax and its Internal Revenue Code that has all the exception for the rick, and little to none for the wage earners.

      Neither party has done anything but make the Internal Revenue Code more complex, and more for the rich. Billionaire make their money without even owning a company, except for the stock ownership.

      Over the last one hundred years, neither party made any changes to prevent the rich from running away with the money, or stabilizing the middle class. So the blame goes to both parties, and their loyal party voters.

      The reason that it only get worse is because the voters keep pointing the finger on the other party, while both parties ignore the problem.

      If you want to get the country to prosper, than dump your loyalty for the party, and make your vote count by trying to promote the best candidate regardless of their party. Then once you elect them, dump them if they don't make a positive change. It is a slow process, but over time they will get the message that they can't fail and nest in congress. Nesting is the fruit from the loyal party voter.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Just the oddest thing.....never in all of 2000-2008 did I hear "both parties are to blame"

      It was always Democrats who had to sit down and shut up.

      Only started hearing "both sides are bad" once Obama was elected.

      You see--this way, you take the real horribleness that was Buscho, and the mess it made, and spread the blame!!

      Oh sure, it was bad....but look at Obama!!

      For the record: none of you said it was bad during Bush. None of you said Republicans are corrupt, NSA spying is bad, or the gvt is a horrible monstrosity.

      YOU were allowed to have party loyalty...and like it.

      Well guess what: both sides aren't just as bad...one is worse.

      And that one is on the brink of destroying what's left of America as we know it.

      Party loyalist my butt....it's trying to save this place before they truly give it all away to the highest bidder.

      Privatize everything......your ability to breathe dependent on your wealth

      No social programs, or services for that matter, unless you pay. That means cops, fire, roads, etc.

      Our lovely state parks and nature reserves.....gone: Hotels, maybe casinos for ole Shelly. Or high-end condos, business area,etc

      No abortion--if you get pregnant..tuff

      If you can't afford a baby...tuff

      Nothing without $$ attached to it

      Fees for everything (of course, if you're rich, it won't apply to you)

      And mark my words...kids WILL have to clean bathrooms for their lunch!

      A veritable Republican Utopia!!

      Blek/Nyek/Booooooooooooo

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      bradmasterOCcal 21 months ago from Orange County California

      Lovemychris

      Just the oddest thing.....never in all of 2000-2008 did I hear "both parties are to blame"

      Brad--

      You apparently didn't read my hubs

      I have always stated that.

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      It was always Democrats who had to sit down and shut up.

      Brad---

      ???

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      Only started hearing "both sides are bad" once Obama was elected.

      Brad----

      Ask and answered

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      You see--this way, you take the real horribleness that was Buscho, and the mess it made, and spread the blame!!

      Brad----

      The democrats and the republicans are both to blame. Congress and the president are supposed to be on the same team. TEAM AMERICA, not Team D or Team R.

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      Oh sure, it was bad....but look at Obama!!

      Brad----

      ????

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      For the record: none of you said it was bad during Bush. None of you said Republicans are corrupt, NSA spying is bad, or the gvt is a horrible monstrosity.

      Brad----

      Asked and Answered

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      YOU were allowed to have party loyalty...and like it.

      Brrad----

      ???

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      Well guess what: both sides aren't just as bad...one is worse.

      Brad----

      That opinion is the problem that put us whee we are today.

      There us no one in TEAM

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      And that one is on the brink of destroying what's left of America as we know it.

      Brad------

      It was a joint effort at least for the last one hundred years.

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      Party loyalist my butt....it's trying to save this place before they truly give it all away to the highest bidder.

      Brad----

      I didn't know you had that power.

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      Privatize everything......your ability to breathe dependent on your wealth

      Brad----

      Are we supposed to know what that means?

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      No social programs, or services for that matter, unless you pay. That means cops, fire, roads, etc.

      Brad----

      Are we supposed to know what that means?

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      Our lovely state parks and nature reserves.....gone: Hotels, maybe casinos for ole Shelly. Or high-end condos, business area,etc

      Brad----

      Are we supposed to know what that means?

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      No abortion--if you get pregnant..tuff

      Brad---

      Why should it take three trimesters to figure that one out?

      I don't know your point.

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      If you can't afford a baby...tuff

      Brad----

      Currently people wanting to adopt go to China, and Eastern Europe. Why can't these abortions be adoptions?

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      Nothing without $$ attached to it

      Brad----

      Are we supposed to know what that means?

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      Fees for everything (of course, if you're rich, it won't apply to you)

      Brad----

      Are we supposed to know what that means?

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      And mark my words...kids WILL have to clean bathrooms for their lunch!

      Brad----

      Are we supposed to know what that means?

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      A veritable Republican Utopia!!

      Blek/Nyek/Booooooooooooo

      Brad----

      Are we supposed to know what that means?

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      Maybe you could develop these statements on your own hub.

      I would like to read it.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I don't write hubs anymore. Don't like the treatment I received here.

      Ok, here we go...

      1. No, I have not read your hubs

      2. Republican attacks on dissent since 9/11

      http://www.brendan-nyhan.com/blog/gop-dissent-atta...

      3. I haven't read your hubs. But, blogging since 2006--never heard one time that we all are bad from Republicans or Right Wing

      4. It hasn't been "team America" since Kennedy, IMO. It was briefly after 9/11--but that quickly turned to those who believed the official story, and thise who don't

      5. Kucinich wrote up 35 articles of impeachment for Bush and Cheney...the R's in control laughed him off. Immediately after Obama was elected--these same people started calling for Obama's impeachment

      6. Bush was allowed to get away with spying because of "keeping us safe" He was doing it without FISA approval, and Verizon also got a pass.Now comes Snowden revelations, and R's are jubilant: "See--we TOLD you how bad Obama is!"

      7."If you don't like Bush, move to Cuba"

      "If you don't support the president, you don't support the troops" "You hate America"(because you don't like Bush)"You must stand behind the oresident ina time of war" yada yada yada...ALL to be turned on it's head in 2008.

      8. I am not on the Koch brothers, Sheldon Adelson, Benjamin Netayahu team. Have no desire to be--WILL never be. We have enemies. And the other side says Obama and Democrats are Socialists, Marxists, Communists, little Hitlers, and are to blame--they don't have an "us", either, It's them. Vs us.

      9. Google privatization....or ask a British hubber: ask wht has happened since their services have been privatized.

      10. Self-explanatory

      11. Our state parks, and natural reserves will be for sale. Perhaps made into casino's for Sheldon Adelson, or maybe business parks for the Chamber of Commerce.

      12. Women's decisions with her body will be at the command of the State.Can't afford a baby? Too bad--Forced birth by order of State

      13. Many women here in Christian-Land don't want babies with "problems", I/E: born to crack addicted mothers, fetal alcohol syndrome, etc etc

      14. Self-explanatory!

      15. Take my bank....it's well known that they make a lot of money off overdraft charges, foreign transaction fees, etc. If you have money--you don't encounter these things in the same manner the poor do. You have $$ to cover it. In fact...rich get rich WITH gubmint help!--that's all of us, poor included.

      http://www.democracynow.org/2008/1/18/free_lunch_h...

      And banks are stealthy....they manipulate your account to make SURE you get that $30.00 overdraft fee by which transactions they clear first .

      16. Newt Gingrich, in his 2008 presidential campaign suggested that poor kids who get free lunch should clean the bathrooms for it.

      17. I'll put it simply: Not on yer Keester!

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      bradmasterOCcal 21 months ago from Orange County California

      Love My Chris

      What is your solution, put all the democrats in Congress and the Presidency?

      both parties had their turns, and today is the result.

      both parties have made the banks what they are today.

      The Income Tax, SS, Medicare and ACA are all problems given by the democrats, and supported by both parties. They are all Taxes.

      Both parties created the rich by using the Income Tax, and the Internal Revenue Code that is only useful for the rich. The SS and Medicare taxes only apply to wage earners.

      SS is a ponzi scheme that requires new blood to keep it solvent, and so does Medicare.

      Meanwhile government employees who also pay these taxes enjoy Defined Benefits Retirement under FERS, and health insurance under FEHS.

      We the people are paying for these great perks, yet the non government employees can't get these from their employers because they say they are too expensive.

      Neither party cares about the people or the country, and neither one of them has any solutions for the average American.

      I am sorry but I didn't find any of your comments to have any answers, or solutions.

      The search for the guilty is not a solution.

      Replace Income Tax with a National Sales Tax like those at the state level.

      When the rich spend their money they will pay their taxes.

      Phase out SS, and make it a 401K where you get the 6% from the employer to add to your own six percent. So what ever you get to take out is built from what you put into it.

      Make it without caps.

      From its onset Medicare has been defrauded by corrupt members of the medical community. There is no longer any job security in the private sector due to the At Will Employment Contract, and neither party has tried to deal with this problem.

      Employers control the benefits given to their workers, and the Medicare mechanism could have been the template for healthcare before retirement. It just needed some help from the government to encourage the employers.

      The ACA is not helping the quality of healthcare, it just puts more people into an overcrowded healthcare system.

      The government put Income Tax, SS, and Medicare into action, and when it is going red they blame the people that retire as the cause of the problem. The government created it, they should clean it up. They misused the money in the SS trust fund, not the people.

      How about some solutions.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      I disagree. Guilt is paramount. Only way to change is to purge the rot. As some one once said, you can't put new wine into old skin.

      People have not come to grips with what these people have done.

      9/11 is the start. Guilt is everything. Cause they are still at it. Its beyond treason, and we must be unwavering in bringing them to justice. Its the only way out, or this just

      continues.

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      Larry Wall 21 months ago

      Brad

      I am going to use one of your techniques that you enjoy using on other people. However, you think it is a solution.

      What is your solution, put all the Democrats in Congress and the Presidency?

      The solution is to encourage good people to run for office. People need to read up on issues and find out the candidate's stance instead of voting for the best looking or best advertisement. The fault lies with the people for not electing better representatives. However, well-meaning people will not take the abuse they receive from people like you.

      both parties had their turns, and today is the result.

      This is a meaningless statement. Each president has faced different challenges. Some are unpredictable. Often they are limited by judicial rulings or antiquated laws and a Congress that turns every event into a political issue.

      both parties have made the banks what they are today.

      Banks, credit unions and other institutions operate under a set of laws. They are monitored. My office had a CD invested in a bank for $100,000, the maximum deposit. The bank defaulted. The FDIC--Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, recovered the CD, allocated some of the assets and returned to my office the full cost of the CD and most of the accrued interest.

      The Income Tax, SS, Medicare and ACA are all problems given by the Democrats, and supported by both parties. They are all Taxes.

      You want a consumption tax or a flat tax. A tax is a tax. Those that make little will pay little those that have riches beyond belief will pay more. What are you accomplishing? The tax brackets used in the income tax take into account different levels of income and size of families.

      Both parties created the rich by using the Income Tax, and the Internal Revenue Code that is only useful for the rich. The SS and Medicare taxes only apply to wage earners.

      I paid Social Security Taxes and Medicare taxes for nearly 40 years. I am now receiving a Social Seurity check based on my earnings and my age, much like a defined-benefit pension in the private sector. I have paid Medicare taxes for the same 40 years and will be buying Medigap insurance and a drug plan and hopefully will have no out-of-pocket expenses. Medicaid exists to help those who did not have a successful career or could not work. It can be made better. If the rich are not paying, they are drawing no benefits.

      SS is a ponzi scheme that requires new blood to keep it solvent, and so does Medicare.

      That is the worse analogy you ever made.

      Your SS contribution is much like contributing to a defined pension plan. You contribute, your employer matches and at the appropriate age, you draw income for life. The Social Security Fund is in the black. The withholding can be increased by .5 percent and the point at which SS taxes can be raised. People are retiring earlier, so they are taking less money out of the system than before, on a monthly basis. In my case, I lost my job before the 62 year retirement window.

      I was fired when I was 60. Try finding a job. I did not want to relocate to another city or state.

      Meanwhile, government employees who also pay these taxes enjoy Defined Benefits Retirement under FERS, and health insurance under FEHS.

      The benefit package for fed. employees has been changed. They now pay Social Security and Medicare taxes. They have a good health plan. We had a similar plan at my office, because we had a Washington branch & had to compete for qualified people.

      We the people are paying for these great perks, yet the non government employees can't get these from their employers because they say they are too expensive.

      Some changes need to be made here. I worked for a department store. There were only two full-time employees, and one of those were the manager. No one else could draw the benefits. Congress needs to address this issue and something like the ACA needs to be enacted, except business will pay a good portion of the cost. Of course, prices will go up, and you will still complain.

      Neither party cares about the people or the country, and neither one of them has any solutions for the average American.

      That is your opinion, and you cannot prove it. Call every congressman up, get their opinion and then get back to me on this. I am sorry, but I didn't find any of your comments to have any answers, or solutions. I found answers for your comments, and you should consider them carefully. The search for the guilty is not a solution. Finding the solution is a good start. Replace Income Tax witha National Sales Tax like those at the state level. In Baton Rouge, LA, the combined state and local sales tax is 9 cents per dollar. How high should we raise it? I assume we will not be filing tax returns and cannot take deductions for the interest we pay on our mortgage (do you take that deduction), charitable contributions, exemptions for the number of people in your family. Furthermore, will this flat tax apply to materials use to build a house. The basic materials have one value. The finished house has another value. Whatis the tax going to be.

      When the rich spend their money,they will pay their taxes.What do you think happens now? A rich man may buy a luxury car. He pays a tax. He buys a 40 acre estate. He pays property taxes.The difference is that the rich may will always be richer than the poor man. We could adopt the philosophy of "everyman according to his ability to every man according to his need." That is a translated passage by Karl Marx--remember him, that I learned in my eighth-grade civics'class.

      Phase out SS, and makeit a 401K where you get the 6% from the employer to add to your own six percent. So whatever you get to take out is built from what you put into it.We have that now, except it is 4.5 percent or something like that and there is no provision for a lump sum withdrawal. It is not affected by swings in the stock market. Make it without caps. You haveto define the 'it"an explain your definition of "make it work."

      From its onset Medicare has been defrauded by corruptmembers ofthe medical community.There is no longer anyjob security in the private sector due to the At Will Employment Contract, and neither party has tried to deal with this problem.

      Medicare has corruption problems--we agree. They are not as bad as they were 30years ago when my mother was dying of ALS, and I was managing her money. I could not get oxygen used in the nursing home covered because she was not at home. I argued that the nursing homewas hernew home. I did not win.My mother-in-law died a couple of years ago. The system was a lot better. Progress has been made. Employers control the benefits given to their workers, and the Medicare mechanism could have been the template for healthcare before retirement. It just needed some help from the government to encourage the employers. This is the best argumentyou have made, but long ago, medical care was not nearly asexpensive as it is today.

      The ACA is not helping the quality of healthcare, it just puts more people into an overcrowded healthcare system. It has workedgreat for me, my wife and others. If insurance companies had been prevented from denying people, my age that had past health conditions, the ACA might have never been needed.

      The government put Income Tax, SS, and Medicare into action, and when it is going red, they blame people that retire as the cause of the problem. The government created it, they should clean it up. They misused the money in the SS trust fund,not the people.Thereis no SS trust fund. SS has always operatedon a cash

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      jeff61b 21 months ago

      What I've noticed is that progressives tend to be foreward looking - to plan and work with long term results in mind. While conservatives tend to focus on immediate short term goals.

      Look at climate change. The left sees the long term devastation and works to find solutions. The right is in denial because they only want to see immediate short term profits and don't think about the future.

      On the economy, the right just wants to maximize corporate profits which mostly benefits the very rich. The left wants corporations to be profitable but works for higher wages for the middle class so they can buy more products and really stimulate the economy in the long term.

      The left works to solve problems like pollution of our air and water, consumer product safety, workplace health and safety, and Americans without healthcare.

      The right actively works to weaken or repeal all of these things because they are too short-sighted to see the long term benefits.

      Conservatives are all about immediate profits and to hell with the future.

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      Larry Wall 21 months ago

      I really hate labels, and I do not approve of cherry-picking issues. The titles of conservative and liberal no longer mean anything.

      Conservatives want to move at a slower pace to make certain that actions offered by the liberal side do not set the stage for unforeseen problems. It is not a bad system in theory. However, the terms have been so misused and tied to single issues by various factions that it makes no difference if you are a liberal or conservative. We are in gridlock and will stay there until:

      1. The elected members of Congress need to realize that they do not have to vote with their party every time. They can exercise independent thoughts and action.

      2. We, the people, decide what it means to be a liberal or conservative and recognize that part of that decision-making process is based on geography and our history.

      The conservative population of my state favors offshore oil and gas exploration oil and gas exploration.

      The conservative population in Florida is opposed to such things. However, they are quick to ask for gasoline to be shipped into their state, when a hurricane closes the ports and blocks the highways.

      Conservatives like to keep a little money in reserve and delay action on certain issues while the liberals want to put future generations in debt, because it will not be their problem.

      Members of both factions need to think more independently and recognize that in some cases a more cautious approach is needed and in others, we have to act now, with both overlooking the near term and long-term implications.

      Liberal vs. conservative equals "what will best suit my needs."

      We should all be looking for what will best serve our country. We have been down this path before. Attitudes will change and then we will do it all over again.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      That's a pipe dream. Because there was a Republican who was going to vote for the Iran deal. But his fellow Republicans pelted him with "supporting terrorists, making America unsafe" rhetoric--just like they did to anyone against the Invasion of Iraq.

      You CANNOT be a "team" with these people...that is not their goal. Their goal is One world gvt with Isramerica (USI United States of Israel) at the helm. They want their orders followed, none of this "team" stuff.

      Full Spectrum Dominance it is also called.

      And I swear to God--I saw a brief clip of a Rubio appearance...NO LIE, he was standing under a banner that read "A New American Century"!

      PNAC--and not hiding it!

      No, these people are the enemies of America--these need to be defeated, and brought to trial for all their crimes. IMO

      Only then can we really Rise and Shine.

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      RogerRamjet1776 21 months ago

      Hi Jeff,

      How 'bout a go on Item #2 and the magical Bill Clinton?

      One of the most dangerous myths that has infected the current debate over the direction of tax policy is the oft repeated claim that the tax increases under President Bill Clinton led to the boom of the 1990s. While this myth is now a central part of liberal Democratic folklore, it is contradicted by the political disaster and poor economic results that followed the tax increase.

      The 1993 Clinton tax increase raised the top two income tax rates to 36% and 39.6%, with the top rate hitting joint returns with incomes above $250,000 ($400,000 in 2012 dollars). In addition, it removed the cap on the 2.9% Medicare payroll tax, raised the corporate tax rate to 35% from 34%, increased the taxable portion of Social Security benefits, and imposed a 4.3 cent per gallon increase in transportation fuel taxes.

      If you haven’t looked closely here, Clinton raised taxes FAR MORE on the middle-class than he ever did on the rich. If these tax increases were good for the middle class, then they should have been popular. They weren’t. In the 1994 general elections, the Democratic Party suffered historic losses and ushered in the Gingrich era. Speaking at a fund raiser in 1995, President Clinton said: ”Probably there are people in this room still mad at me at that budget because you think I raised your taxes too much. It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them too much, too.”

      So Clinton did the unthinkable. He LOWERED taxes on the productive in 1995 by taking the first step toward a successful campaign for re-election and a shift in policy that produced the economic boom that occurred during his SECOND TERM. Clinton signed:

      Welfare reform, which he signed in the summer of 1996, led to a massive reduction in the effective tax rates on the poor by ameliorating the rapid phase out of benefits associated with going to work.

      The phased reduction in tariff and non-tariff barriers between the U.S., Mexico and Canada under the North American Free Trade Agreement continued, leading to increased trade.

      In 1997, Clinton signed a reduction in the (audible liberal gasp) capital gains tax rate to 20% from 28%.

      The 1997 tax cuts also included a phased in increase in the death tax exemption to $1 million from $600,000, and established Roth IRAs and increased the limits for deductible IRAs.

      Annual growth in federal spending was kept to below 3%, or $57 billion.

      The Clinton Administration also maintained its policy of a strong and stable dollar. Over his entire second term, consumer price inflation averaged only 2.4% a year.

      But the budget became balanced as well. How did that happen? Bill Clinton didn't balance the budget. Yes, he was there when it happened. But the record shows that was about the extent of his contribution. It was Gingrich's near single-minded crusade to end 30 years of red ink who brought us fiscal sanity over a brief period in the late 1990's. Arguably, Gingrich's finest hour as Speaker came in March 1995 when he rallied the entire Republican House caucus behind the idea of eliminating the deficit within seven years.

      They did it in Four.

      The Clinton White House fought Republicans every inch of the way in balancing the budget in 1995. It was Bill Clinton who, during the big budget fight in 1995, had to submit not one, not two, but five budgets until he begrudgingly matched the GOP's balanced-budget plan. In fact, the Clinton administration admitted that "balancing the budget is not one of our top priorities."

      Of course, balanced budgets (and $11/bbl oil) brought prosperity - as it always does - which is why the economy did so well. If the Clintons had their way, none of it would have happened.

      Anyway, the boom was on. Between the end of 1996 and the end of 2000:

      Economic growth accelerated a full percentage point to 4.2% a year.

      Employment growth nudged higher, to 2.1 million jobs per year as the unemployment rate fell to 4.0% from 5.4%.

      As the tax rate on capital gains came down, real wages made their biggest advance since the implementation of the Reagan tax rate reductions in the mid 1980s. Real average hourly earnings were (in 1982 dollars) $7.43 in 1996, $7.55 in 1997, $7.75 in 1998, $7.86 in 1999, and $7.89 in 2000.

      Millions of Americans shared in the prosperity as the value of their 401(k)s climbed along with the stock market, which saw the price of the S&P 500 index rise 78%.

      Revenue growth accelerated an astounding 59%, increasing on average $143 billion a year. Combined with continued restraint on government spending, that produced a $198 billion budget surplus in 2000.

      Shared prosperity indeed! But one created not by raising tax rates on high income but not yet rich middle class families, and certainly not by raising the capital gains tax rate or by imposing the equivalent of the Buffett rule, a new alternative minimum tax of 30% on incomes over $1 million, nor by massively increasing federal spending.

      Rather, it was a prosperity produced by freeing America’s poor from a punitive welfare system, lowering tariffs, reducing tax rates on the creators of wealth, limiting the growth of federal government expenditures, and providing a strong and stable dollar to businesses and families in America and throughout the world.

      So you should modify this part of your blog to accurately reflect what actually happened.

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      jeff61b 21 months ago

      Roger -

      Whew! That was longer than my entire article. I think I fell asleep twice. I didn't need the history lesson though. I lived through the Clinton years.

      Yet nothing, not one word, contradicts what I wrote in my article. I did not say that tax increase by itself was responsible for the next several years of prosperity, I did say that the Republicans were completely wrong in their predictions - which they were.

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      RogerRamjet1776 21 months ago

      Yeah, I'm not too effective on Twitter... So sorry to learn that you're not really up to the discussion.

      "Yet nothing, not one word, contradicts what I wrote in my article."

      Here's what you said," They weren't just wrong; the results were exactly the opposite of everything they predicted. After that tax increase went into effect, the country experienced the seven best years of economic growth in history."

      The growth didn't occur until the rates were cut and the budget was balanced - the EXACT OPPOSITE of why you think works economically. Additionally, it didn't match or exceed Reagan's GDP or wealth creation.

      Like I said, it's one of my favorite subjects. And I love ramming it down Leftist's throats.

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      Yes Dear 21 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      As an American, don't you have the duty to ram it down rightys throats as well?

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      RogerRamjet1776 21 months ago

      In Item 3, you say:

      "In 2001, when George W. Bush cut taxes for the wealthy, Republicans predicted record job growth, increased budget surplus and nationwide prosperity. Once again, the prosperity they promised never quite happened. In fact we saw the exact opposite occur."

      This is the Progressive's take on Bush's economic record. Here's what you omitted:

      I'm no fan of George Bush, but that's because he abandoned what works and threw in with the Left after the 2006 elections.

      In 2001, after a mild recession which began under Clnton, Bush inherited an unemployment rate of 4.9% (January 2001). On the morning of 9/11, it was 4.7%. Within 90 days, it had jumped to 6.3%.

      The effects of 9/11 are clearly to blame as no significant Bush economic policy had yet been passed into law.

      However, after the Bush Tax Cuts in 2002 and 2004, the unemployment rate fell back to under 5% throughout the remainder of the Republican control of congress, which ended in 2006. By reducing the top rates by 11%, the bottom rate by 33% (I thought he ha8ed poor people?), the capital gains rate by 33%, and the dividends rate by 50% (which dramatically increased the real income of Seniors), Bush's supply-side policies worked exactly as in the past, leading to 52 continuous months of uninterrupted job creation, adding 8 million new jobs from mid-2003 to early 2007.

      Bush's economy only got "wobbly" when he dabbled in Keynesian policy. It wasn’t until massive new spending and “stimulus” was enacted by BOTH parties in early 2008, but led by the newly Democratically controlled House and Senate, that the economy began to slow and unemployment began its rapid increase. It’s all right here…

      http://reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.word...

      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702034...

      http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment...

      Bush's factual economic record shows that from 2003 to 2007, 7.8 million new jobs were created and the unemployment rate fell from over 6% to 4.4%. Also, over $7 Trillion dollars of shareholder wealth was created during this period. The job losses you refer to came AFTER the congress was taken over by the democrats, and the Keynesian experiments were unleashed. Combine this with the collapse of the housing market, which was caused by government interference in the mortgage and banking systems, and you get the mess we had on September 18, 2008.

      http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/201...

      Unemployment began to rise after the elections of 2006 when Pelosi and Reid took both houses of congress. Massive spending ensued (tax stimulus and the rest...) and the deficit jumped from $167 Billion to over $400 Billion. Obama, voted for all of it. When he became President, the deficit really took off. And it's destroying us from within.

      http://blog.heritage.org/2011/07/28/the-truth-abou...

      So, here's my challenge to you: Please name an economic policy of George Bush that caused the recession. And please be specific, showing how and why these policies caused such an economic meltdown.

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      jeff61b 21 months ago

      RogerRamjet -

      You certainly have a selective memory when it comes to the Bush years.

      The deficit never dropped down to $167 billion, that was an accounting trick were they didn't include the billions they "borrowed" from social security or the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq which were conveniently off budget. The real deficit was at least double what they claimed. Obama doesn't allow those accounting tricks anymore.

      The recession did not start until after Bush became president and before 9/11.

      Because Bush tried to stimulate the economy via tax cuts for the rich, which were enacted retroactively to the beginning of the year, the effects didn't fully trickle down to the rest of us.

      Economic stimulus through tax cuts for the rich only has a temporary stimulative effect on the economy.

      The job creation that occured between the two Bush recessions was pretty anemic compared to the Clinton years.

      Real income fell during those years.

      Millions of Americans lost their health insurance.

      After 8 years of declining poverty rates during the Clinton years, poverty began rising again under Bush long before 2006.

      Bush's deregulation of the financial industry led to the collapse of the financial system.

      Bush did not invest in our country's economy, he benefitted the very wealthy who pocketed all the new wealth that was created while everyone else lost ground.

      Like most Bush apologists, you use 9/11 as a convenient excuse for everything that happened during the Bush years - Afghanistan, Iraq war, the Patriot Act, using the Bill of Rights as toilet paper, the recession, the stock market crash, etc.

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      Larry Wall 21 months ago

      Just for the record, no one, I think, has mentioned Clinton's attempt to pass a BTU tax, or a consumption tax on businesses, companies, farmers, etc. that used energy. Such a tax would had raised the cost of food production, transportation and electrical power (steam, coal and atomic) as long as it produced BTUs.

      The Alliance for Affordable Energy, got Sen. John Breaux. D-LA to change his mind and influence others. The tax was defeated. just like the Clinton health plan.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 21 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Look, only the states who have all too heavily invested in fossil fuel energy production and industries are not facing reality. There is NO reason today for the use of any fossil fuel other than perhaps, the airline industry. And, even that is already looking into solar powered planes.

      The problem is that the US has buried over 1.6 million miles of underground pipelines that are aging and will cost hundreds of billions in just a few decades from now. Will oil, gas or coal still even be used then?

      The fact that these states are too heavily invested in antiquated forms of energy and refuse to even consider obsolescence, is ridiculous. They'd rather spend our tax dollars on multi-billion dollar oil spill cleanups, force non energy producing states to pay out heavily to keep air, water and soil from being deadly polluted and then they spend another cool tens of billions to lobby on K-Street to keep their businesses in existence.

      Right now, North Dakota is hot to make a deal with TransCanada Oil to pipe dirty Bakken oil to Canada. This should be expected from an industry on its last leg.

      As for coal, I would love the coal kissers out there to take a good look at that toxic waste spilling from a mine into the Colorado River. CO tried to blame the EPA until the government discovered how many fines that mine received and ignored for over a decade.

      This is no different than the substandard equipment Halliburton installed on the Horizon Deepwater oil rig that killed 11 men and caused massive damage to the Gulf. It's no different than the Taylor Energy oil spill of the past 22 years that no one knew about and was kept secret by the Bush Administration.

      When you get tired of CONservatives refusing to allow any progress in clean energy and you see countries like Germany with 62% of their energy use in solar, you can tuck your tails between your legs and wonder why the US is so far behind...and thank the Fossil Fuel addicts.

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      Tessa Schlesinger 20 months ago from South Africa

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      Shelley-Laysi 19 months ago

      The best damn Fact piece I've seen this year!! Freakin Awesome!! Thank you.. I think I'm in love LOL

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      Louisiana Patriot Banner 18 months ago from Lafayette, LA

      There is not enough time to recount the misrepresentations in this article. Clearly, to any thinking person, Republicans have not been "wrong on everything." (I know you meant to include the butchery and selling of baby parts at Planned Parenthood that only Republicans have fought.) And for every Republican who was "wrong on everything" there were five Democrats who wouldn't get out of his way. Republicans were also wrong about unvetted mass migration of refugees into countries, right?

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      Yes Dear 18 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Please show me the proof of selling parts.....this is one i see repeated all the time. But from what I can see--it's Glenn Beck, Klannity-Hannity gobbledegook

      Please tell me anything Republicans were right about.

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      Gunny Cracker 17 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Cruz, Rubo, Sanders, McCain, Jindahl, BHO & even Santorum are NOT eligible to even run for President.

      A “natural born Citizen” of the United States is a child born in the USA of two (2) U.S. Citizens. The parents can be Citizens by Birth or they can be Citizens by Naturalization after immigrating to the USA. But to create a “natural born Citizen” of the United States both parents must be Citizens at the time the child is born in the USA. See this legal reference book used by the founders and framers of our Constitution: Law of Nations or Principles of Natural Law, Vol.1 Chapter 19 Section 212, Emer de Vattel, 1758-1797.

      The overwhelming majority (probably 85%+) of citizens in the United States are natural born Citizens. This clause was added for future presidents as a national security clause. It is from the group of natural born Citizens that our founders prescribed in the presidential eligibility clause in Clause 5, Section 1 of Article II of the U.S. Constitution that we shall choose a President and Commander in Chief of our military as a strong check against foreign influence via birth allegiances on the person in that singular and most powerful office. One needs all three citizenship legs to be a natural born Citizen and have sole allegiance and claim on you at birth to one and only one country — the United States: 1. Born in the USA. 2. Father must be a U.S. Citizen (born or naturalized). 3. Mother must be U.S. Citizen (born or naturalized). Like a three legged stool if you take away any of these three citizenship legs of the Article II constitutional intent and requirement to being a natural born Citizen, i.e., being born with unity of citizenship in and sole allegiance to the USA, the child is born with more than one country’s citizenship and claim of allegiance/citizenship on them at their birth and thus they are NOT a natural born Citizen of the United States. And as in the analogy of a stool designed to stand on three legs and it is missing a leg, it falls down, likewise the person’s claim to natural born Citizenship fails if the person does not have all three citizenship legs required to be a natural born Citizen at the time of their birth.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 17 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      I see. Another Sgt Pepper edict or gospel of righteousness and indignation that anyone not born in the US is not considered an American. I don't consider you an American. You hate the government, hate the president, love crooks like Bush and Cheney who cost you $6.7 trillion for Iraq and counting and then you have the gall to pretend that swaggering and drawling "ignernts" are the ONLY Americans?

      Funny how I worked with a Brit who served in the US Army on dual citizenship. Let me guess your Big Daddy Mutton Chops owned a plantation where free labor made him rich, rich, rich, and now you hate to be reminded of your crooked ancestry?

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      Gunny Cracker 17 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Obama's parents did not have to be born in the U.S. for him to be a legal presidential candidate. They just needed to be American citizens at the time. The birthplace in Kenya is also a deal-breaker.

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      nicomp really 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

      I love that BHO has been in office over 7 years and people still stew over where he was born. Let it go, folks.

      I guess it's one issue that we can't blame on Bush.

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      15 months ago

      just because they can not predict the future does not make them wrong about everything

      democrats have made some horrible choices for this country that you are choosing to be blind to

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      Gunny Cracker 15 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Jeb's mother, Barbara's, real-father was allegedly the beast Aleister Crowley of England. www.rense.com/gene ral77/acrow.htm Jeb's father, George Herbert Walker Bush, used a fake-name to enlist in the Navy. Jeb's grandfather Prescott was really George Scherff Sr and was very likely responsible for Nickolai Tesla's death. George Scherff Jr(GHWB) was always getting into trouble in Tesla's lab and was the model for the cartoon "Curious George". http://www.prolibe rty.com/observer/2 0070405.htm However the most disturbing aspect of the Bush-family is that several of them(GHWB, GWB, Marvin, Jeb & cousin Wirt Walker) were involved in the orchestration and cover-up of the 9/11 "attacks ". www.911truth.org

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes, which is why they had to throw the 2000 election. Bush HAD to win, so PNAC agenda could go forward. They already asked Clinton to regime change Iraq. He refused, as would have Gore. Bush was their man. And now gets kudos for "keeping us safe", when he and the rest of those bums murdered 3,000 on that day.

      Its quite a hard pill to swallow day after day.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 15 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Actually, the real trail of the mess with Bush winning in 2000 goes as far back as the coalition between GHWB, Cheney and Rumsfeld when all 3 were part of the Nixon administration. Cheney and Rumsfeld have always been best buds.

      When all is said and done, the GOP realized after WaterGate that never again would they allow ANY president to make his own decisions. So, then CIA head, GHWB worked his magic for his party and presto chango...Reagan, Gov. of CA already in the 1st stages of Alzheimers was the perfect foil for the newly created "back room" presidencies.

      With GHWB on a secret mission to delay the release of the hostages in Iran, if that turned out badly, the GOP would have blamed it all on Reagan's medical "condition."

      By the time Kinder Gentler to Corporations GHWB took office, his VP emissaryship granted him enough leverage with the GOP to run for president. Reagan had a 2nd term recession...Bush '41 had one and only one term and a recession.

      But trouble was already brewing by 1994 when Cheney lusted for the White House and the presidency. When the GOP viewed Cheney as all too much the free flyer Nixon was, they refused to put Cheney out front. That didn't stop Cheney, by hook or by crook he would be in the White House as a back room president his party had already created.

      So, Cheney took a job at Halliburton, a top 5 US business with billions in government contracts. He became a Halliburton CEO in 1996 and the back room deals flew off the conference table like there was a cyclone. The deals centered around Halliburton supplying a war...which was to become the Iraq war.

      By 1999, Cheney turned up as Bush's VP choice and the rest is Cheney masterminded history. Halliburton got the Iraq war and a no bid contract in 2003. Cheney sent Bush around the country marketing the war for 18 months and 9/11 was the ideal event to insure war in the Middle East. See? And you all thought the boys didn't know how to game the system. You also see why with the Halliburton deal Bush HAD to win in 2000 and 2004. In the end, Halliburton earned over $350 billion from taxpayers for supplying mostly garbage to our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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      Gunny Cracker 15 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Republicans are nazis & Democrats are commies. They are BOTH reading from the exact same script for a New World Order under the UN with Kenyan-born BHO at the head. They have been playing good-cop/bad-cop with the American electorate for over a hundred years. Socialism will be the worldwide economy and Jesuit Pope Francis, the False Prophet, will lead the universal religion. They will make Sunday the Sabbath. Allah is just another name for the devil.

      "Keep & Bear" means own and CARRY for such a time as this.

      FYI -In the 2000 election Gore's people stole Florida and the Bush people retroactively cheated to get it back. Only the Bible is true. John 3:16-18

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 15 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Sgt Pepper...Uh...I think you would be much better served by asking the Canadian Texan when he received US citizenship...you do realize that Cruz was born in Calgary Alberta and that in Canada, your mother's birth country matters little if you run for office?

      The US Constitution is clear..you must be a natural born citizen..Cruz is neither..Hawaii is President Obama birthplace and it is a US State. Calgary Alberta is a foreign country.

      As for right to bear arms, how conveniently you omit to include WHO the US Constitution considers "militia"...try Article I, Sec. 8...Congress shall have the power to "call up, arm, discipline and fund" the militia." Nice how men like you can futz up the interpretation to suit your childish need to play Rambo.

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      Gunny Cracker 15 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Cruz, Rubio, McCain, Jindahl, Obama and Santorum all are, or were, ILLEGAL Presidential Candidates due to the fact none of them are "natural born" citizens of the United States. In fact BHO isn't even here legally. A natural-born citizen was born on U.S. soil to BOTH parents being American at the time.

      Bernie Sanders, Michael Bloomberg, Joe Lieberman, Al Franken, Diane Feinstein, Barney Frank and Barbara Boxer are, or were, dual-citizens with ISRAEL, hello?

      McCain was born in a local non-U.S. gov't clinic in Panama.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 15 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Sgt. Pepper...There is one thing wrong with your theory that President Obama isn't here legally...He was born in Hawaii, his birth certificate has been thoroughly vetted by not just the hospital he was born in but also the state of HI.

      Any intelligent man knows that unless you prove in a US court of law what you post, it is a lie and subject to libel and slander. You live in WI as your post indicates. You have THE worst governor in the entire United States. Scott Walker is the epitome of a dictator. So tell us...are all WI men as bossy, overbearing and autocratic or is it just that a cheese doodle state with so many cheese rings is causing brain damage?

      In the words of President Truman, "The Republicans have always been the party of special interests and always will be." Enough said.

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      Gunny Cracker 15 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      That forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate on the White House website means NOTHING. You have been duped. In 2008 Lucas D. Smith smuggled a certified copy of Obama's actual original Birth Certificate out of Kenya. You can say this usurper was born in Hawaii all you want but saying it is so does not make it so. Even his Social Security number is stolen. The man is a complete fraud.

      PS - the only Hawaii BHO might have been born in is Hawaii, Kenya.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 15 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Sgt. Prepper...Perhaps, you need to realize that you are in denial and you are a certifiable hateful bigot. You forget one thing. When any baby is born, there are doctors, nurses, anethesiologists and intake clerks who are in attendance. Are you calling them liars too?

      A man like you who lives in such hateful denial is a pathetic figure who cannot hope to call himself a patriot or an American.

      Your posts grow ever more bizarre. Booze is not a good way to end your life.

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      Gunny Cracker 15 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Dr. Alan Schecter said "I Delivered Baby Obama In Kenya" and Grandma Sarah Obama was present. See it all on YouTube and www.BirtherReport.com

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yes, but even if true, why would it matter? We KNOW Cruz born in Canada...he's still running for prez! Either it matters, or it doesn't. Cant be a partisan/race thing, can it? lolol

      Yeah, THAT never happens. Obama's mom American: end of story. Right? Or else Cruz is playing a fast one on all America.

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      nicomp really 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "We KNOW Cruz born in Canada...he's still running for prez! "

      Completely irrelevant. but OK. John McCain was born in Panama. We let him run.

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      nicomp really 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

      " Medicare remains the most popular form of health insurance in the United States."

      Cocaine is popular too.

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      Sgt Prepper

      I saw the video of the interview with Obama’s grandmother.

      In the video the conservative radio interviewer was talking to Obama’s grandfather’s third wife (who is not Obama’s grandmother) by phone through an interpreter. At one point he misunderstood what the interpreter said and thought he said Obama was born in Kenya. The interpreter corrected him and very distinctly said Obama was not born in Kenya.

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      Sgt Prepper

      The video of "Doctor" Alan Schecter is hilarious. He actually said Obama's parents told him they were going to take their newborn son to Hawaii so he could become the first Communist President of the United States.

      How can you not see this is satire?

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 15 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Jeff...You might as well post to a huge boulder. Facts are lost entirely on those who live in a world of denial. One only wonders how they defend themselves in courts of law..rofl.

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      Gunny Cracker 15 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Kenyan-born Obama IS The Antichrist and Jesuit Pope Francis is his False Prophet. Allah is just another name for the Devil.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 15 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      It is obvious to anyone reading Sgt Prepper's post that he cannot accept truth and facts. I think men like you are the AntiChrists.

      Your posts prove that the most guilty consciences among us go off the beam hatefully to absolve themselves of guilt. So, your kind can't stand anyone who is high minded and honest. The only devil is in your own conscience...You need professional help.

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      Yes Dear 15 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yah nicomp...I know. But how come McCain didn't matter? And how come Cruz doesn't matter? But Obama did. They all claimed he was ineligible cause he was born in Kenya. How come? (don't think too hard--your brain might explode!)

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      nicomp really 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

      @LoveMyChris -- because he was born in Hawaii, that's why.

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      nicomp really 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "I think men like you are the AntiChrists."

      "The only devil is in your own conscience..."

      Ahhhh , the personal attack. It's the hallmark of Progressive thought.

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      Austinstar 15 months ago from Somewhere in the universe

      Mcain was born on U.S. soil (military base) to two American natural born citizens.

      I cannot believe that some people are still so stupid as to believe Obama was born in Kenya, or that Hawaii isn't a state. STUPID!

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      nicomp really 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "Since the passage of Medicare, capitalism has thrived in America and millions of elderly Americans have had longer, healthier lives and greater personal freedom."

      If capitalism is thriving then we should have more of it. Hmmm... dichotomy.

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      nicomp really 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

      @Austinstar , unless you dispute his birth-date, BHO was born after Hawaii became a state.

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      Austinstar 15 months ago from Somewhere in the universe

      nicomp - I think we have had enough of capitalism. Let's try some Democratic Socialism!

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      nicomp really 15 months ago from Ohio, USA

      @Austinstar - so you differ with your fellow Progressive?

      PS: For those following along at home, AustinStar is a rare Progressive/Liberal/Democrat who can disagree without becoming disagreeable. A breath of fresh air on the far left.

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      Gunny Cracker 15 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Just the simple obvious fact Bathhouse Barry's named & legal(biological?) father was NEVER an American precludes this usurper from being a natural born citizen. Cruz, Rubio, Santorum, McCain(born off-base) & Jindahl are illegal too.

      Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders both are or were dual-citizens with Israel making them illegal presidential candidates as well.

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      Kelly Wallace 12 months ago from Boise, Idaho

      I didn’t expect a full blown “circle Jerk” post on Hub Pages circulated from other posts. You’re setting up straw man arguments that you then bash with previously thought out talking points from the democratic platform. Let me rebut:

      1. You’re taking things out of context. A normal ploy by the left. The actual quote can be find here:

      http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a19...

      Regan said in 1962 that “Medicare Will Lead to Socialism, Destruction of American Democracy.” “The government will begin constructing an entire raft of socialist programs under compulsory government programs that will lead to the destruction of American democracy. “The doctor begins to lose freedom.”

      How true. It’s exactly what we see with doctors choosing to accept or not accept Medicare patients, and now Obamacare, because the reimbursement levels are abysmal. The point here is not that covering the elderly is bad, it’s how you deliver that promise. Letting the free market economy provide ANY service is always more effective, efficient and more financially sound.

      2. Here, you’ve copied ideas from others that are all over the web. Here is one that’s almost verbatim:

      https://plus.google.com/+OleOlson/posts/cudqzcxmoy...

      How did the economy grow under Clinton? It came about in spite of the ’93 increase. Lower government spending as a share of GDP, approval of NAFTA and the WTO, welfare reform and farm-subsidy reform were all policies that boosted the economy.

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements...

      3. EGTRRA resulted in at least 6 million new jobs and by other estimates, almost 10 million. By 2007, the deficit was down to $160 billion, less than 15% of Obama’s deficits today. Total federal revenues soared from $793.7 billion in 2003, when the last of the Bush tax cuts were enacted, to $1.16 trillion in 2007, a 47% increase.

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2012/12/0...

      4. What a pant load. Congress doesn’t even know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic weapons nor the difference between assault weapons and hunting rifles. The Brady bill had ZERO effect besides background checks. Millions of guns are produced every year. Think about it. They will make their way into criminal hands regardless.

      http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2003_spr/coo...

      5. Actually they found plenty of chemical weapons and yellowcake, the material needed to make fissile material.

      http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/

      http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/worl...

      6. The war took less than a month. You’re confusing post war occupation with persecution of the war.

      7. Waterboarding is something that certain U.S. servicemen must endure in training. It lead directly to capturing Bin-Laden and man al-Qaeda operatives.

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2135981/Wh...

      8. There is no question that the world is a much dangerous place since Obama took office. We’ve had a multitude of attacks on our soil. ISIS has grown exponentially. We’ve created a nuclear arms race in the middle east with the Iran nuke deal, and destabilized two more secular regimes in Libya and Syria. We’ve created a vacuum that has been filled by Russia.

      9. The two economic stimulus bills spent billions with NO permanent jobs created. Government doesn’t own the means of production. The only thing it can do is create public jobs on the backs of the free market taking from the private sector. Zero sum game. Now Clinton proposes new economic stimulus spending on infrastructure, a favorite buzzword of the left, ignoring the abysmal effect of the first stimulus bills claiming it didn’t go far enough? Doubling down on failure.

      10. Both Obama and Clinton, upon realizing their failure to protect Ambassador Stevens and his staff, came out with a false narrative that a You Tube video incited the attack. Simply a lie. The person that created the You Tube video, by the way, is still in jail.

      11. Deregulation is just banking? Many democrats believe Bill Clinton’s payoff to repeal Glass-Stegall caused the meltdown. What actually is the case is that Frank-Dodd forced private lenders to make risky loans to minorities under the rubric of income inequality and guaranteed backing by Fannie and Freddie. To avoid what they knew were risky loans, they wrapped them up with other securities, derivatives, and sold them off.

      12. Once again, bovine scatology. ACA co-ops are failing nationwide, and perhaps by design to force everyone into a single payer healthcare system. It’s killing jobs directly in the insurance industry, the health care industry and on large employer groups that must pay double and triple premiums. Increased costs are always passed on to employees in salaries and jobs. Americans have not had a pay raise in 16 years. Our labor participation rate is at Carter levels. Any growth we’ve had has been rebound since the recession but at a much slower rate than normal.

      13. The price of gas has gone down IN SPITE of Obama. Fracking has turned America from a net importer to exporter. Saudi Arabia, in an effort to bankrupt frackers, flooded the market with oil. Obama, has prevented offshore drilling, destroyed the coal industry, prevented fracking on public land and has blocked the XL pipeline as a favor to Buffet who benefits by charging .50 cents a barrel for transportation. The pipeline would cost .05 a barrel.

      14. Here we have a two term president still blaming Bush for his economic woes. Again, following a recession, you expect a snap-back. That has happened but much slower that in historical standards. The unemployment rate is 5% that ignores everyone that’s dropped out of the market. The more accurate labor participation rate is at 62%. The economy is growing at a job killing 1.5 to 2%. We have a record number of people on food stamps.

      15. See above. By the way, is a family making $250K in the 1%?

      16. Obamacare is the biggest tax increase in American history. You are now FORCED to buy insurance or pay a penalty. And our national debit now sits at 20 trillion dollars. Guess what happens when our interest rate goes back to normal levels? The debt servicing goes from 7% to 20% of GDP. Result, must raise taxes.

      17. It’s called supply side economics. 80% of jobs are in the supply chain and manufacturing. When you gown business and supply, the result is competition, supply and consumption. Reduced costs to job creators benefit employees directly.

      18. This again shows your lack of understanding of what is causing the price drop in oil. Saudi Arabia spending million buying our congressmen and lobbyists. See 13. Any this is not the Republican talking point. They said it would provide jobs (true), and help us be energy independent (true).

      19. This is another false left talking point. Congress is instrumental in passing fiscal bills and most the time, we have two different parties controlling the presidency and the senate. However, under past administrations (Coolidge, Kennedy & Reagan) that have provided economic stimulus in the form of tax cuts, the result has been economic growth and job creation.

      20. When you don’t allow market forces to determine wages, the result is cost cutting. There is a price you’re not willing to pay for a hamburger. If you are honest about this then you can be honest about the need for businesses to cut costs, including hiring, automation and reduced benefits.

      21. Ack! You’re apparently not even aware that our President will shrink the U.S. Army to pre-World War Two levels. Our Navy is smaller than it's been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947.

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      nicomp really 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "EGTRRA resulted in at least 6 million new jobs and by other estimates, almost 10 million."

      So, by letting people keep more of their own money, jobs resulted. Hmmmm...

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      Kelly Wallace 12 months ago from Boise, Idaho

      In the same way lower oil prices result in lower prices at the gas pump and more money in consumers pockets, tax cuts do the same thing. That money is spent on the economy and businesses have more profits. Profits are the mother's milk of stocks as well so investment increases. This all generates jobs. What in your estimate does create jobs if not this?

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      Yes Dear 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Workers and people who have money to buy things.

      Flint Michigan, tax cuts to wealthy, no money to run gvt, must cut services, let people drink poison water.

      THIS the result of profits. Casualties of war.

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      Kelly Wallace 12 months ago from Boise, Idaho

      Nice try but Flint's revenue problems began with the collapse of the auto industry. And for that you can thank NAFTA and the Pan Asian free trade agreements. That has nothing to do with "tax cuts to the wealthy."

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      nicomp really 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

      " Flint's revenue problems began with the collapse of the auto industry."

      @Kelly wallace -- watch "Roger and Me" : Flint was in distress long before NAFTA.

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      Kelly Wallace 12 months ago from Boise, Idaho

      The auto union attracted new residents and left many destitute after pulling out. It's a big factor. And none of that is related to tax on the "rich."

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 12 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Oh how naive people east of the Mississippi River tend to be. Don't you people EVER leave those cowboy, mutton chops or corn pone states? First of all, anyone who lives in the Metro Area of NY/NJ, knows how tied into the rich these auto manufacturers are. There is not one union member earning what a CEO does. And, there is not one CEO who lives in a ghetto or slum and drives a jalopy. oooh how the truth hurts.

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      nicomp really 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "And, there is not one CEO who lives in a ghetto or slum and drives a jalopy. oooh how the truth hurts."

      Pointless, but true.

      No duck lives in the back of a TV set. No french fry ever landed on the moon. Very few telephones win the lottery.

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      Gunny Cracker 12 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      FYI - all male CEOs of Fortune-500 companies are Freemasons. Secret Societies control EVERYTHING from party politics to the mass-media. They have long controlled what is being taught in public schools and universities. They have set out and succeeded in destroying the family.

      And now they are continuing to ruin our nation starting with the Constitution and ending with the economy. It is just too bad those Moslems didn't start that great fire in NYC or DC instead of in Alberta.

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      nicomp really 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

      Pepper, did you know that Richard Nixon's dog walker bought his daily newspaper from an Italian-American who once lived next door to the third cousin of the guy who invented Toaster Strudel? It's true.

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      Yes Dear 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Hmmm, so that would include Trump. He does the 666 hand-sign all the time. With BOTH hands. At same time!

      Looks like the free masons have their man.

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      nicomp really 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

      I thought he was signaling his home planet.

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      Gunny Cracker 12 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Newt Gingrich claims birther-Trump will never become President "because he doesn't belong to ANY secret society".

      Neither did Reagan until AFTER his inaugeration when he was made an honorary 33° Freemason. This occurred in the same White House where Warren Harding was sworn into the KKK.

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      nicomp really 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

      Truman belonged to a secret society of typewriter repairmen. Lyndon Johnson used to sneak out of the White House on weekends and attend Beach Boys concerts wearing board shorts and flip flops given to him by the grandfather of Ryan Reynolds, who owned an original photo of what is really in the basement of the Baltimore Public Library. Gerald Ford drove a Chevy.

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      Yes Dear 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Trump is the false messiah. All the alternet ghouls are showing their false identities. They don't mention Trump's AIPAC speech, as if it never happened. He's a shill, like all of them. They know who butters their bread. Trump is no different. He won't save anything but his patrons who got him out of bankruptcy. Just look at the vapidity of that family. Put your hair in a ponytail once in a while, glampuss. You going to vote for someone called darling? What world you in?

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      nicomp really 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

      " Just look at the vapidity of that family. "

      Absolutely: since they are pretty they must be vapid.

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      Yes Dear 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Gold plated anything says vapid to me. And i don't consider them pretty. They're European more than anything else. Mom from Scotland, wife a ferner, daughter dual loyalty. EHHHH

      I prefer good ole American born n raised. Caring about this country, not stock portfolio or familial obligations to a genocidal gvt

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      nicomp really 12 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "I prefer good ole American born n raised."

      Like Hillary and Bill. Nothing can go wrong there.

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      Yes Dear 12 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      It went wrong for some, was great for others. You cant make blanket statement as if its the truth. Lots of wing-dings born here, too. I personally do not want a flotus w a foreign accent. And def dont want a son-in-law who writes his speeches. Thats just me.

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      Duane Townsend 11 months ago from Detroit

      An excellent Hub.

      The proof of this Hub's assertion is the GOP nominee for President, Donald Trump.

      The GOP has become a clown car.

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      nicomp really 11 months ago from Ohio, USA

      The Dems are a jail cell.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 11 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      Truth and facts are not part of the Republican party these days. Sadly, when a political party is on the take from militants like the NRA, they only prove who and what they are: political prostitutes.

      In truth, the Republicans have been switch hitters from the start. First, they were southern Democrats who then got their backs up because they lost the Civil War. So they became Republicans. Then, when the Great Depression hit, they knew the Republicans were at fault and again the switch hit to the Dem Party. By the time Eisenhower became president, the Democratic Republicans were not militant, full fledged Republicans again.

      With Donald Trump as their front man, looks like a lot of the Republicans will become Democrats yet again. Shows their instability doesn't it?

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      nicomp really 11 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "Sadly, when a political party is on the take from militants like the NRA, they only prove who and what they are: political prostitutes."

      -- Name-calling. The hallmark of Liberals.

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      hragus 11 months ago

      nicomp-The funny thing about people is that if they believe something to be true they do not need any proof. If they do not believe something to be true then no amount of proof would ever change their mind.

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      Yes Dear 11 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      Yeah, unlike Dumpy Trumpy. "Lying, crooked, liar...." If he wasn't smearing people, he'd have nothing to say.

      This is what is running for prez. Unflipping believably sad.

      Only republicans can glorify hate and venom like they do. YUK and YUKKITY YUK

      Oh, and I heard that by loaning himself money, then having it paid back, he could be the 1st in history to profit from running for leader of free world.

      Makes you proud, doesn't it?

      BARF

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 11 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      What it always comes down to in the USA is our children. What we teach them by our behavioral examples, our speech and our desire for them to understand the concepts of honor, respect, unity and right and wrong.

      This is where the right wingers lose the ground under their feet. They are the worst examples of honor, respect, unity and have no desire to understand concepts of right or wrong. Their societal breach is their inability to function as part of an advanced society. Hence their objective to take "back" and go "back."

      You can be sure that the young children who hear The Donald speak are innately certain he is wrong. But, if he gets away with abuses of the 1st Amendment, then nothing in U.S. Constitution cannot be violated.

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      nicomp really 11 months ago from Ohio, USA

      "... But, if he gets away with abuses of the 1st Amendment, then nothing in U.S. Constitution cannot be violated."

      Typical Liberal obfuscation. Donald Trump is a private citizen and therefore has no responsibility to enforce or honor the 1st Amendment. The Bill of Rights restricts powers of the Federal government, not private citizens.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 11 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      nicomp...I've read enough of your contrary posts to know you are totally incapable of critical thought that amounts to anything productive.

      The minute The Donald entered the presidential race, he no longer was a "private citizen." He has no right to spew forth the most bigoted, racist and sexist comments. Our 1st Amendment NEVER was intended for scumballs like Trump to just let them yell "fire" in a movie theater. This is what his irresponsible speech does.

      As for you, no one expects you to be capable of reason. All you want is your way. Most tyrants and andocrats do. Since this is no longer your world exclusively, and thank God for that, you do have to learn to live in a society that judges YOU by your words and actions. It's called "responsibility."

      You right wingers loathe the idea you are held to the same standards of responsibility as the rest of us. However, make NO mistake. At no time will any responsible American EVER allow a man like Trump to pollute our children's brains. Time for nicomp to pack it in.

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      adagio4639 11 months ago from Brattleboro Vermont

      Well...you do make some interesting points. Ummm....like 21 + interesting points that are all True. And Truth does matter to some people.

      You know...there is one common thread that even the most ignorant person should be able to see. In each case that you point to, the Republican/Conservative argument is based on FEAR. They always predict outcomes and are ALWAYS wrong about their predictions, and when they are in control, we always end up getting screwed. You would think that by now most conscious people would recognize a pattern that is always wrong and always based on FEAR. Republicans are driven by ideology far more so than Democrats. Their conservative ideology cannot be wrong. Of course that would make it infallibly correct. But as a man made ideology we know that each one of us is a fallible human being prone to error, and that means that any man made idea is also prone to error. You can't produce an infallible product from a fallible source. This is why there have been so many versions of Windows coming out of Microsoft.

      The difference between the Conservative/Republican and the Liberal/Democrat is that the Republican KNOWS that he's right. The Democrat knows that he could be wrong.

      Which one of those is likely to be closer to the Truth? And isn't Truth what should matter most?

      We can see this same mindset coming to bear on the Trump candidacy. He's making wild and outrageous statements that are factually false. But they all appeal to fear, and as a con-artist and salesman, Trump knows that Fear is the greatest motivator. That's the "hot button" in America, and if you can scare enough people by fear mongering, you just might get elected President of the United States.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 11 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      I don't buy into ideology. Not when Ideology is tyrannical. Narrow minds breed the most militant minds who seek control through militant behaviors.

      Republicans are tyrants. They have always only wanted the government to be based on their ideology. Fact: Go back to the early Republican presidency of Warren Harding. A basically affable, reasonable man. But, thanks to his naviete, his VP Fall tried to sell off public lands to the Oil Barons for pennies on the dollar. If Republicans know they are right, they didn't when Fall's actions set off the TeaPot Dome Scandal.

      If they knew they were right, how did Hoover schmooze with Wall Street speculators not realizing they were sliming the savings of millions of Americans who ended up on soup kitchen lines?

      If Republicans always know they are right, how did they miss that Viet Nam was a no win situation?

      Republicans have been so wrong on so many occasions and always they refuse to take responsibility. Their CEO-like attitudes that they can make decisions and never be wrong is why they are today's most hated people in this country.

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      adagio4639 11 months ago from Brattleboro Vermont

      Ewent: You're right of course, but they continue to insist that they are right about everything. And they use fear to scare people into accepting their irrational positions on just about every subject. You can show them where they went wrong as this Hub did, and they will still insist that they're right about the next subject that comes up. They don't recognize their own fallibility. If they did....I suppose they wouldn't be Republicans.

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 11 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      People who are mentally ill always insist they are right. They try desperately to fashion their world to their precepts and ideas of control.

      The joke is they don't see themselves as mentally deranged.

      I long ago realized the worst danger to our children is to be deliberately fed the most unbalanced examples of right and wrong.

      When they insist they are right, children are born with the type of innocence that sees hypocrisy far more clearly in adult behavior than these deranged adults see.

      So these contrary, belligerent militants are only dangerous to the most impressionable...our children. This, under no circumstances, can we allow. We may as well let all of the unbalanced out of mental institutions so they can preach the same illusions of truth and fact.

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      Jamscene 8 months ago

      Hypocrisy! Nothing new. As old as the hills. These Republicans will keep on obfuscating until they pay a price ........... A loss of political power should work but isn't going to happen any time soon. I predict it will get even worse if Hillary is elected.

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      Welby,M.D. 8 months ago

      Both the Democrats & Republicans are reading from the exact same Zionistic-script for the New World Order under the UN. They will use global-wstming and a supposed worldwide shortage of drinking water to subjegate the population of the earth.

      It is like TV-wrestling and the two major parties have been playing good-cop/bad-cop with the American electorate for over a century. Republicans are like Nazis and Democrats are like commies. Together they are slowly ushering in a socialistic world economy.

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      Gunny Cracker 8 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Welby - That is why we have our precious God-given right to "Keep & Bear(own and carry) Arms". It is more important now with Moslems, inner-city thugs, rogue cops, militant gays and radical socialists in such abundance and a treasonous usurper in our White House.

      It is most important us "deplorables" have firearms of similar caliber to those of military and law enforcement as those are who we will be protecting ourselves from under martial-law.

      I hate Big Brother.

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      Yes Dear 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      its not god given. its man made. and whoever thought of it has my eternal disdain. how stupid is this all? wars, killing, weapons....all over stupid beliefs. they give you those beliefs TO kill each other, imo.

      its a ridiculous paradigm, and thats why its shifting. there will be no martial law, and this killing and bloodshed will be stopped.

      and guns are all a part of it. thats why nimrod lapierre want you to arm up. i think that freako gets off on violence and blood.

      you do know the bagavhad ghita says you turn into lower life forms by your thoughts and actions.

      we are striving to be higher, not lower.

      all this talk of negative and bs con stories is dragging us the f down.

      cant you people find another planet to scourge?

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      Gunny Cracker 8 months ago from Elkhorn, WI

      Creeping socialism is not only destroying the U.S. of A. but our entire planet. If you have not read documents like the Protocols of the Elders of Sion, the Freemason-Illuminati Covenant, the Bankers Manifesto of 1892, the Jesuit Oath of Ordination and books like "1984", "Superclass" & "Agenda-21" you have no idea what's going on anyway.

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      jeff61b 8 months ago

      Sgt Prepper-

      Creeping fascism poses a much greater threat to our country. It's already taken over the Republican Party.

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      Yes Dear 8 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      yes, they love to throw out the socialism mantra to distract from whats really going on.

      i think the main sign of an iron fist is the shackling and degradation of women.

      i saw a video of a muslim woman being stoned to death because she refused to get married...probly to some disgusting old creep. beautiful little girls sold off or given to perverts and peadophiles. rabid male superior ideology.

      christians dont stone women, they just accuse them of murdering babies and throw them in jail for miscarriages.

      not all muslims, not all christians. just the rabid dog sects.

      they rule some countries, and trying to make a place here. prez obama is dead on right. this election is about preserving our ideals and the values we are supposed to stand for.

      when the puritans destroyed the kingdom of hawaii native way of life, i imagine it to be a lot like what the tea party and trumpsters are doing here now.

      its an iron fist they want. around my neck. i say no. no and hell no. go start a fundamentalist world on the planet mars.

      leave our mother earth alone from your raging ideologies.

      .

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 8 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      I don't think right now there isn't a Boomer Woman alive who isn't enjoying watching the least educated men in this country scrambling to hang onto the barest thread remaining of their blanket of masculine authority.

      Most Boomer Women see through the male machinations of men in politics all desperate to blacken ANY woman who dares take that authority and power from them.

      Yet, you boys screw up the government every time you open your mouths. And who is it who has always had to clean up after the messes men make? WOMEN!

      Now, after 16 years of Boomer Women watching you boys battle it out with each other, squaring off and generally acting like 3 year old brats, we have finally had enough.

      And don't think for one second that we don't know why that Hillary Hater undertone comes from men who fear that the day a woman becomes President your MANHOOD will go through gender shock. The same gender bias you men have enjoyed since you all left the Neanderthal caves.

      So, to prove that Republicans are going nuts because President Obama not only carried out most of his campaign promises, but he did it with massive spiteful little boy obstruction from Republicans.

      So they got Benghazi wrong but were too stupid to know they NEVER had it right in the first place. So now they are trying to impeach the head of the FBI because he won't hand over personal emails of Hillary's from her husband and daughter.

      You do have to wonder why they are so nosy that they must know every detail of Hillary's personal life.

      Sorry boys. You've put off looking at your own reflection in the mirror for far too long. Boomer Women and our younger generation of women do not accept that we are "allowed" to get an education, "allowed" to vote and all because you boys think you make ALL the rules. NO you don't...Not anymore. Get over it.

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      Manny Laureano 6 months ago

      This is ever so much more fun to read after Nov. 8th, 2016

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      ewent 6 months ago

      Women are not impressed with the childish men these days who strut around acting like they "won" an Olympic medal. Blowback comes when the MAN elected flops like he always does. Blowback comes when the MAN elected is caught in his own web of lies. Don't wonder why women can't trust men who lie.

      The election is over and FBI dir. Comey has yet to disclose those DNC emails hacked by the Russians. He knows why.

      The truth is the Republicans knew they could NEVER win the election by popular vote. So they figured by distracting the American public with Benghazi and EmailGate, they'd put the MAN elected to good use with his Russian business contacts and take the Electoral College back door to the presidency.

      Here's where it all goes wrong. First, Comey said publicly, two weeks before the election, that he couldn't release those hacked emails because "It might influence the outcome of the election." Funny how 11 days before an election, he had no problem releasing "new" Clinton emails he "found." No election influencing? In a Republican pig's eye.

      Then, the right wingers and Republicans started their media BS that 45% of women didn't vote for Hillary. Math problem? You bet. 52% of the American population are women according to the U.S. Census Bureau for the last decade. Subtract that 45% from the 52% and these clowns would have us believe only 7% of US women voted for Hillary. Pretty cute little game once you see that the votes 3 weeks after the election show Clinton has 1,650,00 more popular votes than the MAN they "elected."

      Then, CrowdStrike who discovered the Russian hacking of those emails also disclosed in their findings that the emails were NOT hacked to find out what the "DNC was up to." They were hacked to gather "information on Hillary supporters and voters." When asked why, their official stated in a TV interview, "to alter or delete votes."

      If I wanted to elect a thug, I'd have voted for Charles Manson. But do enjoy the enormous cost of Trump Tower maximum security by NYPD cops armed with AK47s in front of his Ivory Tower Penthouse and on rooftops. The fed is being billed for that. For some of us, there is no joy more wonderful than watching those who think they are so superior and intelligent get just what they asked for.

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      Yes Dear 6 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      yes. all the swing states were hacked, to give trump the electoral win.

      pennsylvania is the one they really blew it with. everyone knows thats a true blue state...they had to make us believe loyal dems flipped to trump cause hillary was such a bad candidate.

      sanders helped with that one.

      and now look--hes the one serving up oppsition to trump with his infrastructure bill.

      we should be using hillarys!

      buy boy vs boy is so much more in step with macho usa.

      we have been HAD. in a huge way.

      "we will destroy them without firing a shot"

      putin is now slaughtering people in east aleppo, and netanyahu is demolishing palestinian homes for more settlements.

      green light for authoritarian take over world-wide.

      they are not going quitely

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      Eleanore Ferranti Whitaker 6 months ago from Old Bridge, New Jersey

      This never was about Hillary. Although, it never hurt that being a female Democrat, she is perceived as sloppy seconds to bully Republican men.

      What the US right wing and these loud mouth rabble rouser NeoNazis forget is that there no WAY they will force foreign countries to bow down and kiss their feet.

      Every time a certain misguided element of society begins to believe in its own autonomous power, they inevitably end up with people calling their bluff.

      Stacking the cards against the Dems is what the GOP does best. They've done it for the past 8 years when McConnell said, "We will make Obama a one term president." Failed didn't they?

      The problem with crooks and greedy people who begin to think their power is limitless is that they are heading off a cliff.

      Once you factor in that the ONLY way the Republicans could win the election was to rig it in the Electoral College, you see that their options were so few that they were forced to stoop lower than they ever have. Getting back up on their pedestals now is going to be like climing Mount Everest in the dead of winter.

      Sometimes in life, bullies never learn until we force them to fail.

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      Yes Dear 6 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

      yeah, well its a heavy price we will pay. and me personally, have just about had it. there are other countries not infested with imbeciles.

      their grip is too strong here.

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      So sad 5 months ago

      The real problem with this article is that it mixes up the facts with the opinions. Many of these complaints are simply partisan criticisms. There are certainly a few gems in here. But too much is unproven complaints or cherry-picking the most extreme quotes when most people had more realistic expectations.

      And of course, Democrats say lots of stupid things too. Come on! Share the love!

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      jeff61b 5 months ago

      So Sad -

      Perhaps the title of this article didn't give it away, but this is an opinion piece. It expresses opinions and supports them with facts.

      I encourage you to write your own article if you think Democrats are just as bad.

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