Why Are Some Gun Owners Against Reasonable Gun Control?

Updated on May 1, 2018
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Mike has written many articles on guns and the 2nd amendment. He has a way of presenting complex issues in an easy to understand way.

Background

I wrote an article on hub pages, entitled Gun Control and the 2nd Amendment. It currently has received 916 comments from both the Gun Control People(GCP) and the Anti-Gun Control People (AGCP).

I'm using GCP and AGCP as a means of brevity throughout the remainder of this article.

There have been heated debates, arguments, and insults from both sides. I pretty much know the values and beliefs of GCP, but I have been doing research and analysis of the values and beliefs of the AGCP. I have a need to understand what they are thinking and feeling.


Core Beliefs of Both Sides

The core belief of the average GCP is that they believe that common-sense gun control will reduce the senseless killings by mass shooters. On the other hand, the AGCP’s core belief is that reasonable gun control will not reduce mass shootings and is a waste of time and what we should be focused on is all murders, by whatever means. There are many arguments that come out of the play books on both sides, but it seems like neither side is going to believe or accept the views of the other side.

From the Beginning

To understand the AGCP mentality, one has to get in the way back machine and go back to their childhood. More than likely, they grew up around gun people and learned how to shoot at an early age.

I also grew up around guns. My dad was an avid hunter. To this day, I have two Winchester Model 12, 12, gauge, full choke shot guns. One was my dad’s and other one was mine. I also have a Winchester Model 270 rifle with a Weaver K-25 scope mount.

When I was hunting, I always felt that the gun was an extension of my will. Wherever I aimed it and shot, it gave me a feeling of satisfaction and control, and it was fun to shoot.

In another life, while, in high school, I also took a correspondence course in taxidermy. I used to shoot animals and learned how to mount them.

I joined the Air Force when I was 17 1/2 and when I was discharged four years later, something changed in me. I no longer wanted to hunt, but I would take my video camera and take movies of flights of geese in wildlife reserves. I believe that change in me was due in part to my new values and beliefs. At that point, I never felt that I had to own a gun to protect myself or my family because I could always count on law enforcement to protect me. It is important to note that sentence because that is one of the key factors that is the difference between GCP and AGCP.


The following graphs and statistics are from the Pew Research Center's representative survey of 3,930 U.S. adults, including 1,269 gun owners. It was conducted March 13 to 27 and April 4 to 18, 2017, using the Pew Research Center’s American Trends Panel.1

Why do people want to own guns?

Protection – In all the replies that I received from AGCP, protection was the main reason for owning guns. They want to protect themselves from any perceived threat including any infringement on their privacy. This is especially important in rural America where the time for law enforcement to get to a threat may take longer than if the gun owner handled the threat themselves.

Recreation – Target shooting and hunting are two recreational activities that gun owners enjoy. Also, gun collection is a hobby that is not only fun but can be lucrative as well.

Insecurity – Guns can be used as great equalizers, even if they are not fired. They give the gun owner a feeling of security that he or she may not have had without the guns.

Social and Culture Pressures – Having the greatest and latest is a human trait and many gun owners want the latest and greatest guns and/or accessories. The gun industry and the NRA promote the benefits of gun ownership, which results in selling more firearms.

The media – The media and entertainment industry show the use of guns saving the day. This heroic factor motivates people to own guns.

Why mass killings don't motivate gun owners to support gun control?

In many of the replies I have received from AGCP, I’ve noticed that mass shootings don’t really move them emotionally. I have asked myself many times, when is enough, enough and what does it take to convince these people?

In my research, I have found that it is a matter of priorities for them. Yes, they do feel grief, but when it comes to banning any further sale of weapons that are used in mass killings, they act like they don’t hear the words “any further sale.” What they do hear and believe is "they are coming to confiscate all my guns, either now or in the future."

Why is gun ownership more common among conservatives than liberals?

Many of the AGCP are conservatives and many of the GCP are liberals. I have found there is a marked difference in their values and belief systems. Conservatives tend to be more aware and sensitive of their surroundings in terms of a negative environment. They require more order and structure in their lives. In today’s world, they see things like guns giving them a semblance of control and order that they wouldn’t have had otherwise. They feel assured knowing they can protect themselves if all else fails.

Liberals on the other hand tend to be more open to new experiences, less order, and novelty. They tend to believe that the government and law enforcement will protect them.

Psychological studies show differences in Conservatives vs. Liberals when it comes to gun control.

Behavioral Psychologists Chris Mooney and psychologist John Jost write in Behavioral and Brain Sciences in 2014:

"The one organizing element of the many differences between liberals and conservatives is the nature of their physiological and psychological responses to features of the environment that are negative. Compared with liberals, conservatives tend to register greater physiological responses to such stimuli and also to devote more psychological resources to them.

As Jost and colleagues summarize: "Research consistently finds that conservatism is positively associated with a heightened need and knowledge for order, structure, closure, certainty, consistency, simplicity, and familiarity, as well as existential concerns such as perceptions of danger, sensitivity to threat, and death anxiety."

Psychologists also use a five-factor OCEAN model to assess a set of five core personality traits. They are: Openness to experience, Conscientiousness, Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism.

Mark Mellman, head of a polling group for many notable politicians, found while using the OCEAN model that liberals are more open to new experiences, novelty and disruption; conservatives prefer stability and the status quo. Liberals are more tolerant of mess, ambiguity, and uncertainty; conservatives prefer tidiness, clarity, and certainty.


It should be noted that "conservatives" and "liberals" in this context refer to the continuum of left and right, not one extreme or the other.

My New Understanding

I can now understand why AGCP have a strong tendency to support the 2nd amendment because it does fit their psychological profile with the need for law and order. While GCP are always looking for change and do not have the need for as much order and control as AGCP. Therefore, they lean more towards reasonable gun control legislation.

I also now understand why AGCP feel burdened with any further gun control because they feel they already have orderly lives and they feel they are law abiding citizens. Why should they have to comply with more rules that are not going to help them? Also, I can understand why the word “control” upsets them. It’s because they feel they already have control and if they give that control to to more legislative policies and procedures, then they lose their control.

The Real Problem why There are Mass Shootings

Now that I have written this article. I see the real reason there are mass shootings. It is because the people who commit almost all of these shootings are mentally unstable in one form or another. I believe one has to be unbalanced to take someone’s life unless it is in self defense, law enforcement, or war.

Unfortunately, the only way we can tell if these heinous crimes are going to be committed is after the fact. The real question is how do we foretell when these people are going to commit these crimes? Institutionalizing them is one way, but in the 1980’s Reagan defunded those institutions and put those people on the street. To add to that, we now have HIPPA laws that protect people's health records from unauthorized access.


HIPAA is an Acronym that stands for the Health Insurance Portability and AccountabilityAct, a US law designed to provide privacy standards to protect patients' medical records and other health information provided to health plans, doctors, hospitals and other health care providers.

Sources

  • Vox 12/4/2015
  • The Guardian 10/7/2015
  • Psychology Today 10/4/2015
  • Pew Research Center 6/22/2017

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If you are interested in the in-depth study and statistics of gun issues by the Pew Research Center here is the link:

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/americas-complex-relationship-with-guns/

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      • jackclee lm profile image

        Jack Lee 

        4 months ago from Yorktown NY

        Oscar, Amen. While you are at it, make sure you teach your kids the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That is the only thing that will preserve our nation over the generations...

        The 2nd Amendment is crucial to the survivsl of our country for the long haul.

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        I will go read that, but don't get me to start a second (political) career. I'm just trying to survive the topsy turvy world we live in. We're sure not going to solve all of the problems before us in one or two weeks. I do believe people are listening even when they seem to not. My own daughters said when they grew up, "dad we were listening, but we just didn't want to do what you said..". Now they are good people, but what if their mom and I hadn't taken the time to teach them some good traits? Its what we instill in the youth of this country, that is going to stabilize them as adults. The lack of love and ethics and oh I said it, (values) has left many of our youth wide open for the devil to use them. I can agree right now; make parents accountable to lock up firearms and teach their kids some good uses of all the decision making tools we have in our society. I agree with the idea totally that if some hormone effected youth gets ill at his parents or or friends, school or not, Its not wise for them to have ready access to dads guns.. make gun collectors have adequate safety in place to protect them from being stolen. teach our children hope, not hopelessness, and they will fare better in the long run.. We are facing a crisis, but it has been a long time in formation, taking certain things out of the schools and confusing kids and the issues, and making them think "right" is subjective to them, not according to law and some extent of moral obligation that everyone has a right to live, and we don't have a right to take others lives.. take violence promoting video games out of the mix and I believe that alone would help some of these misguided social sick teens. collectively as a society we have made this problem, and its not because of firearms. Access to firearms is just a means for the sick to act out their particular type of sickness..

        Its exactly like saying eating chicken kills some people, and it being exploited to the point we outlaw eating chicken. but more realistically, if diseased chicken get on the shelves of our stores, those chicken can be blamed for death and removed from the market because they have something bad that no one can eat without getting sick.. In the case of firearms, the sickness is within the user, not within the firearm itself. however, its not wise to have them in the reach or access of those we know have bad intentions. the difficulty of this is we can't always pin down the risk of which is and which person isn't so we resort to calling guns bad.

        A social ploy within a preschool years ago, was to not blame the child who colored on the wall, but my wife related that the preschool teacher took the hand of the child and walked them to the wall and slapped the wall, saying bad wall, bad wall! Thats a false value.. in her surmise, the wall should have been punished or taken down and blamed for what the child did.

        really we know walls are good things.. how screwed up will that child be? bad gun? bad gun? while pulling the trigger? ----but an argument could be made in the teachers defense that the wall was a bad place to color on. Some things like this are difficult, but we have plenty of precedence to know what is right and what is wrong. lightbulb! Lets focus more on teaching some right and wrong. I hope you agree..

        over and out..

      • peoplepower73 profile imageAUTHOR

        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Oscar: I hope you feel better. Don't hold back, let it all out. But here are the facts. We owed Iran the money. It was their own money that was given back to them by Obama. Trump and company used it to their advantage by lying about it and many people bought the lie. Here are the facts. You need to deal in facts, not propaganda. That is why I wanted to know what money you were referring to. Have great day.

        http://time.com/4441046/400-million-iran-hostage-h...

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        mike, Ive heard figures like fifty million, and fifty billion dollar payoffs just for good friendship/deals with Iran, to try and either tease them or appease them during the Obama adminstration, one last gift just as he was leaving office. It was pathetic in the sense Obama basically said we'll give you the money if you go ahead and nuclearize your country industrially but stop short of making these instruments into warheads. I know Im not wrong, he gave them a heck of a lot of money without absolute proof or assurance of them honoring a treaty. The other statement of them using that money to fight back at us, didnt you hear the ayatollah guy threaten us to do just that when we stepped in to try and find some proof of any adherance to treaty, I know it was on the news just a week or so ago. I'm saying we told our legislative and presidential leaders don't make deals with these guys and don't send them money but Obama did anyway. You must know that their overall position is if you get in our way we will retaliate, because thats the words the Iran president used. Now to me, (you can think differently), they never intended to stop thier quest to become fully nuclear capable. So it was a fifty billion dollar gift fund to the country that we know supports , hides terrorists. Maybe it will take a while yet, but sure as day we will see nuclear testing just like N. Korea, in the future, at U. S.of A expense subversively used funds. I hope not, I hope we can yet counter these actions and threats somehow with new strategies. Anyway this is your strip, and I'm no expert in foriegn affairs, so fix it up the way you want your hub to reflect. Its sad we have to negotiate and find out why people want to keep their freedoms, but it is a changing environment. When I was in Alaska, I used those guns daily and weekly as survival tools, and could give you a good list of necessary uses, but I can't assign that same need to people in urbanized America. People who hate firearms in some indescribable way hate freedom, for freedom was bought, indeed all the way from bible times, first with primitive weapons, and gradually modernized as the ages rolled by. In my mind even a hundred years futuristic, the peace will be kept by some sort of ray gun, or nerve block gun, and people will live in passive submission, until some leftover 21st century freedom fighter group shows up with hot machine guns built in someones garage and sold on the black market. Eskimo people will by soverign right get to keep their spear guns for use in harvesting beluga whales or seals and walrus.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Oscar: You wrote this:

        "Obama made a mistake in giving Gobs of our money to his buddies and there's not doubt in anyones mind(at this point) that they will shoot all that money back at us in war, the only thing they seem to know., so they are being empowered by our tax dollars, unless someone tells them "no" and makes it stick.. I'm sorry, but Obama did a big big booboo intentionally, and would have given them the whole cake if he coulda done so and got away with. but another note, "

        Who did he give gobs and gobs of money to?

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        I'm not particularly just defending anyone, but I hope to God we all get second chances.. If I don't, I'm a gonner! Obama made a mistake in giving Gobs of our money to his buddies and there's not doubt in anyones mind(at this point) that they will shoot all that money back at us in war, the only thing they seem to know., so they are being empowered by our tax dollars, unless someone tells them "no" and makes it stick.. I'm sorry, but Obama did a big big booboo intentionally, and would have given them the whole cake if he coulda done so and got away with. but another note, I've wondered about why we train resistance groups in other nations to turn on their own government, U.S of A. expecting, hoping each time that they are going to reform. At this point in time, I'm all in favor of us using our tax dollars for rebuilding our infrastructure, our own military just to a size that's practical and effective, and wait for the last hurrah and be there squarely to help only the people that want to truly be helped. At present, third world countries have made any promise we wanted, as long as we give them money and arms, and food.. (even Russia) we have been feeding them and giving them super gobs of money since about 1950) with literally no intention of ever keeping those promises. Once that money is gone, they lose interest, and we like dummies offer them more money and try to get them to sign new treaties and then say yay!, give the President a medal who gave away the most for the least.. of course they are going to do better this time, right?

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Jack: What kind of patriot violates a congressional amendment? He and Reagan ran a shadow government and violated the Boland amendment without congress' approval. He and Reagan sold arms to Iran for cash to fund the Nicaraguan Contra movement when they were told not to do it. Sorry to rain on your parade.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Oscar: So he and Reagan violated the Boland Amendment and ran a shadow government where they sold arms to Iran for cash to fund the Contras.

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        Jack Lee 

        4 months ago from Yorktown NY

        Oscar, I agree. Oliver North is a patriot. He made a mistake and paid for it. Not like some others in politics who gets away with murder and lived to run another race...

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        and I am certainly no expert on the Iran issue, or Oliver, but it appears he has paid his debt to society and engaged in more domestic based affairs of late.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Oscar:

        GERHARD A. GESELL, the unpredictable 79-year-old Federal District Judge who presided over the Iran-contra trial of Oliver L. North, saved a final surprise for last by punishing Mr. North for his crimes with a sentence that included a fine, community service and probation, but no prison term.

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        Was he convicted or just drug through the mud?

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Oscar: I don't know how old you are, but I remember when Oliver North and Reagan were under investigation for the IRA/Contra scandal of the 80s. Here is the link that explains the whole thing. Oliver North North was charged with 12 counts relating to conspiracy and making false statements.

        https://www.history.com/topics/iran-contra-affair

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        Hey did you hear they elected Oliver North as the new NRA president? Like wow. Hes a real patriotic retired service man . He should have lots of common sense. Hope so. We need strong leadership in all venues right now. America needs some stabylizers, we all agree on that point I think.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Jo Miller: I agree with you about the NRA and its influence. But the problem is it is a vicious cycle of funding congresses campaigns and then congress helps the NRA. They are beholden to those who fund their campaigns. Thanks for dropping by.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Jack: I agree with you. That is what I said at the end of my article. How do we tell what an unbalanced person is going to commit these crimes? We can't tell until after the fact and by then it is too late. What is missing is an infrastructure to deal with the mentally ill.

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        Jack Lee 

        4 months ago from Yorktown NY

        Gun control laws does little to stop gun crimes... that is the bottom line. Law abiding people do not commit these crimes. The criminals and insane do commit and they don’t abide by laws...

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        Jo Miller 

        4 months ago from Tennessee

        Interesting ideas that provide some insights into why folks want to own guns without control. However, I assume that countries with more sensible gun control laws also have folks who like order and tidiness, etc. So I think the power and influence of the NRA is probably more relevant than these personality traits. Most Americans support gun control laws but they are still not passed because of the money the NRA uses in elections. Do something about that and those rabid supporters of no controls will adjust their tidy lives to fit the norms.

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        Leslie McCowen 

        4 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

        Yes, they always sneer at Oprah and Rosie for having armed security guards while being for gun control....and here they are wanting to shove guns everywhere except in a room full of gun lovers! Crazy

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Leslie, because they are the biggest hypocrites in the world.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        TSAD: O.K. Let's stop this nonsense. I'm just a dumb sh*t liberal who doesn't know his a*s from a hole in the ground. You and your conservative friends are much smarter than the smartest or dumbest liberal. You can take your pick. Do you feel better now?

        I don't know how to do research analysis, but this article and the previous one I published were instantly put on niche websites without me submitting them and nothing was changed, including the words used, punctuation, and grammar. I know who I am. Do you know who your are?

        So you call a spade a spade, by insulting people you don't agree with?...nice, really nice. I hope you feel better about me confessing how dumb I am and you being the winner. That's what this is all about.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Oscar: You are absolutely right about the beating drums. The problem is we don't all hear the same drum beats, We, march to different drummers, because our ears are only tuned to the drummers we want to hear. You can hear the drumbeats of “Benghazi, Benghazi,” or “lock her up, lock her up.” Or you can hear the drum beats of “Mexico is going to pay for the wall” or This is all a witch hunt and a nothing burger.” Or, “More people are murdered by other means than guns, so why not prevent those murders instead of gun control.”

        I don’t know what warships you see on the horizon, but wars today are not fought like they were in WWII. A country was attacked and the winners acquired the entire land mass. Today’s wars are asymmetrical. First they don’t wear uniforms, so you don’t know who is friend or foe. Second, they don’t acquire land mass, they change the thinking of the people they have conquered without firing a shot.

        Yes, there are computer controlled real missiles in those ships, but who in their right mind would commit an all out nuclear war that would completely decimate a country and its people and render it useless because of radioactive fallout.

        Yes, there are real people behind the media attacks and behind the invisible election jammer bots and behind the cyber stealth attacks.

        The bottom line here is what you have mentioned. If you say it enough times, people will believe it, or they will get so tired of hearing, it won’t matter to them. That is precisely what Trump is doing. In his rhetoric, he constantly repeats key words that move people emotionally.

        Thanks for dropping by.

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        Leslie McCowen 

        4 months ago from Cape Cod, USA

        Serious question:

        Why are no guns allowed at the NRA convention?

        Tea party brought them to protest Obama.....

        Why not proudly show off your guns at the place they shill for them?

      • tsadjatko profile image

        4 months ago from now on

        Just calling a spade a spade, "You do know the difference, don't you?"

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        TSAD: That was a rhetorical question. You do know the difference, don't you? I have seen many of your comments to others, mainly liberals. Why do you have to insult people to get your point across? (This is not rhetorical.)

        In this article, I did a lot of research and analysis and it shows. I needed to find out what makes anti-gun control people tick, so that I could have a better understanding of their motivations. If you don't think I did research and analysis, that is your problem, not mine. (again an insult)

      • tsadjatko profile image

        4 months ago from now on

        "Did you know that you can be sued for defamation of character?" ~PP

        LOL, And how would you mange that, PP when you, being the only one with control over what comments are published here, approve my comment to be published. If you think my comment was slander YOU slandered yourself by publishing my comment. Yeah, you really are a piece of work, in "research and analysis"

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        .. or who has the fastest pen, armed with writing skills, to sweep away all other belief's except the one I or you choose? Yes, cyber stealth is a current concern for us all.. but I think also the empty brains of the mush-puppies of today lead us down a dim lit path of numbness and unconcern. Those who don't see the wolf coming have less time to suffer before they fed its hungry jaws.. A professor one day stated to his students.. "today everyone is cold." he kept repeating it all through the class, and the next day he changed it to,"today everyone is hot". after a couple times of this experiment, he asked for observation. One student said, Yes, I was cold the day you said cold, and I was hot the day you said hot! Another student said No, I felt neither hot or cold. The third student who answered carefully stated, " I saw you take off your sweater the first day when we came in the room, so I turned down the heat, professor, and the next day I turned up the temperature when we came in the room and I saw you put on your sweater. Now, as I was saying, we have all sorts of Media, Professors and scientists, and thoughtful people trying to engineer the outcome of our politics, of our future, to the point it almost doesn't matter what one of us thinks. (At least many people today would tell you the same while we are rapidly losing our freedoms through imposing laws and regulations.) So keep at the rhetoric, the power is in the blindfolding of the masses, the suppressing of freedoms, and the continual beating of the drums.. first you hear them approaching, then slowly, they seem to be inside the walls, and soon you are overcome by the soldiers who follow the drums. You are saying the soldiers are coming with computers and fancy technology, but some of us see the warships on the horizon. who is right and who is wrong? Could the smart-botics and computer bots actually be inside those ships and could they be used to launch real missiles? could they be real people behind the media attacks and behind the invisible election jammer bots? Behind the cyber stealth attacks that you mention?

        --just asking.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        TSAD: Once again you are, demonstrating your childness. Did you know that you can be sued for defamation of character? I used to hear Levin's rants on the radio for many months.

        I wouldn't want to debate his propagandist lying a*s, but I will debate you about me being a paranoid psychotic. I'm neither paranoid nor a psychotic. That's the best you can come up with? Didn't your mommy tell you it's not nice to call people names when you can't back it up? You should go play with your blocks now and quit annoying the adults in the room.

      • tsadjatko profile image

        4 months ago from now on

        LOL, the rant of a truly paranoid psychotic. You wouldn't last 1 minute in a debate with Levin, he'd have his audience laughing at your every psychotic word.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Mr. Happy: They have been sold a bill of goods, by propagandist like Mark Levin who wrote the book on Tyranny and Liberty, a Conservative Manifesto. It fits right in with their psychological profile of having to protect themselves from the boogey man, that may eventual attack them.

        So they have to arm themselves and not trust anybody to protect them from foreign or domestic tyranny. Little do they realize, they have a president who is headed that way. If he really had his way, he would completely control the media. He has already brought troops into the border...Does any of that sound familiar to you?

        Thanks for dropping by.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Jack and Oscar: You and all the people who think like you have this fear of somehow our government or some outside entity is one day going to become tyrannous and takeover our freedoms.

        So, you think arming everybody is going to protect the 2nd amendment. However, the 2nd amendment is not only part of the Bill-of-Rights, it is also part of the Constitution. The Constitution by virtue of the way it is written does protect itself. It can only be changed by legislation represented by the people.

        I have more concern about cyber-attacks where they influence the outcome of elections by targeting voters by their personality profiles.

        Cambridge Analytica has already used that on Trump’s election, and Brexit. The next attack will be done by ones and zeroes and we won’t even know it until it is too late. It will be more like shutting down our infrastructure and a single bullet won’t be fired.

        Using guns is old school. We already have a president that is in the process of controlling the media, by dividing and conquering it. He gets his policies from Sean Hannity an ex-bartender. He is in the process of obstructing justice by firing the people that don’t agree with him. And he has a speech writer and Senior Advisor, Stephen Miller, who is a 31, year old known racist. The people he has hired in cabinet positions are there to destroy their cabinet departments, like Betsy Devos, Education and Scott Puritt, EPA.

        I don't care how many guns are going to be used to protect us from tyranny. I don't believe that is how it is going to happen. If it happens at all. This is the 21st Century where they use psych-ops not guns to control people.

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        And Mr. Happy.. very brave man I'm sure, if you were in the middle of a revolution! Yes I've read many stories, holocaust type stories.. All are reason for people to be brave, and maybe at some point to just survive? Some of my background is living with my family on the western shores of the Aleutian Peninsula. A very good book to read is " The Thousand Mile War". by Brian Garfield. Where I lived the US Air Force physically retreated and left the Peninsula wide open. Weather and other factors made it almost unprotected during World war II, so why would they think it wise to pull out the planes and the troops? If there ever again is an Asian spurred invasion, it likely would come from the same direction. We know it would only be for the placement of firepower by enemies on the islands. It reaches for about 700 miles and has very isolated characteristics. Don't take my word for it, read the book I mentioned and you will see that even here in America you can be very vulnerable and have no defense readily available. You can camp out with a sign, "I'll wait for Stormin Norman", but I prefer to have some means to defend my home and family. Yes, one would hope you would be safe within a matter of days, but like the Aleutian war, its still possible to hide out in some places of the USA for months without being detected, at least if they weren't expected. All this being said, there is Mike Russo's point of fact that a new generation exists that has no comprehension of danger, threat etc, and are programmed to just fall in whatever wagon comes off the turn-pike. In that case its just pure stupidity that we've taken matters such as these out of the textbooks within our schools. Teachers have led our children down a mush trail and they don't seem to have the tools they need for any conflict. They have become fodder for the media! Waiting to become victims reported on the network news. London is falling today -to just that mentality! Pray we don't go down that fast. Yes, our Government has become all powerful. Yes, it seems out of a realm of reality for citizens to rise up to defend the homeland from within or from abroad, but the fact is. THIS IS WHAT MAKES US THE U.S. of America: THE REALITY OF OUR CONSTITUTION WHICH GUARANTEES US THAT RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES AND OUR LAND AND OUR RIGHTS. Humbly but persistently we maintain that you might not understand this premise if you aren't of our particular heritage, we are not even able to compare to Romania. or Poland, or Ukraine, BUT we have our own history. We have had our own wars, Texas Alamo battle,, French Indian war, Civil War. Potomac battle. Battle of Gettysburg, Aleutian War. New York 911 terrorist invasion including the Pentagon and Baltimore. We are having a South Border breach at present and I see one developing on the North Border as well. Hidden operatives have come within our borders and have been planted in our military, Arab counselors within the White House in the last term of Presidency. Yes you have the insight of military occupation and I'm sure you feel safe In America as a whole, but you aren't stupid enough to go into places within the USA that policemen are afraid to enter without backup. Yes, there are plenty of places here in our country that are unsafe to walk through, or drive through, at risk of random shooting and drive- bys. A city very close to where I live is not safe and as a last note, the party ( I forgot who it was that suggested we will let the law-keepers, police and soldiers protect us all day long , all year long, are you suggesting that you could engage a lawman, or a soldier to walk by your side 24 hours a day, or at least when you are in crime domain of the USA? I know plenty of shipyards, boatyards, ( one international port of entry in Los Angeles is Chinese governed, Immune from the USA law.) many Indigenous lands, Reservation and tribal owned lands have become separate sovereign domains and they are attempting to keep the law and even hold criminal court within the boundaries of the USA. If enough years go by there may not even be any private owned land left in the United States. We are at a crossroads and the Owners of the United States need to wake up. Its Citizens. Its stake holders. You and I. Mike, I Respect those in Bucharest Romania and other war torn countries, and I don't ever want that to happen here, and I will give my life if necessary along with thousands of others who feel the same way; to remain the home of the free and the brave. The descendants of 1776 IN GOD WE TRUST United States of America!!

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        Jack Lee 

        4 months ago from Yorktown NY

        Mr. Happy, I know it seems odd that I support the 2nd amendment and yet choose not to own a gun.

        The point is, I want the right to own gun but not necessarily at this moment.

        If I move to a remote area, I would want to have a gun for protection.

        Or if there is a riot in my town like in LA during the Rodney King verdict...

        The 2nd amendement is something the founding fathers designed into our Constitution for our long term survival.

        Some how, people today fail to learn our history and why things happen the way it did.

        To answer you, it is not that people owning guns will be able to combat against the US Army. There is no match and no comparison. However, the very fact that there are people with guns in large numbers will give some people pause if they have any dream of taking over. I hope you see that. That is why I call it an “insurance policy.”

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        Jack Lee 

        4 months ago from Yorktown NY

        Mike, No, but I expect the fact there are 100 million guns out there in the public space will discourage any one person from attempting to orchestrate a coup...

        That is how we stop a tyrannical government.

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        Mr. Happy 

        4 months ago from Toronto, Canada

        Mr. Russo, I applaud your patience. That is what I do not have and as such, I tend to snap at clueless people.

        Take the last comment, where the guy wrote: "Fear is not why I support the 2nd Amendment". Then, he wrote: "I support others who chose to own guns to insure our liberty." So, he thinks guns will "insure" their "liberty". Ensure it from what, or whom? And why? If they were not afraid of losing their liberty they would not need guns to "insure" it is "safe". Sigh ... they don't do any analysis of their thoughts, feelings, words, etc. They just blabber on.

        Now, the same person wrote in an earlier comment: "most important reason for the right to owning a gun ... to insure our freedom against a foreign or domestic tyrannical government". Here, for "foreign tyrannical governments", there is the United States Army. Regular people do not just go to fight other governments on their own. Regarding a "domestic tyrannical government", this argument holds absolutely no power.

        I lived through a Revolution. You know, tanks on the street, AK-47 fire, hearing the constant "ra-ta-ta-ta-ta" and seeing tracers at night, in between buildings (in the capital, Bucharest, Romania, in 1989). Most people have no idea what a revolution means. When the army and/or secret service starts shooting common people, what are these guys going to do with their AR-15s? Nothing. That's what they're going to do. There is absolutely no way a civilian militia can take on the United States Army, at this point in time. They're living in la-la land, all these people who think their little guns can hold up the American Army. I'm so tired of this nonsensical argument.

        Best of Luck though! To all of us.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        O.K. Jack. So then you expect the gun owners to protect you from tyranny?

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        Jack Lee 

        4 months ago from Yorktown NY

        Mike,

        Fear is not why I support the 2nd Amendment. I don’t even own a gun. I am a member of the NRA. I support others who chose to own guns to insure our liberty. Simple as that.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Oscar: I understand where you are coming from and it supports the number one need to own guns. It is for protection. It fits the profile perfectly. Thanks for your comments.

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        Im not bashing anyone. I just proceed to advise of the dangers of disarming the peoples of this free republic. Even if it has progressed to become a democracy, the gradual loss of those who have personal knowledge of tyranny bring us to a dangerous precipice, whereupon someone in ignorance might say, " I prefer no choice, over preserving my right to have a choice!"

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Jack: That scenario is hypothetical. As we said before, fear can be a great motivator. Thanks for posting your link.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Larry: Thanks for your opinion.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        TSAD: This is what I said:

        "TSAD: Welcome back. You just can't seem to stay away from my articles. While I was doing the research and analysis for this article, I was thinking about you and what you said about me."

        This is what you said: Still can't stay on topic can you. It's your hubpage, you'd think you could stay on topic on your own hub page, but I guess you are right, it really isn't worth reading.

        Tell me how I said, it isn't worth reading? In your own words that used many times on me: "Once again, you have demonstrated, you are twisting my words."

        I guess you still don't believe that a comprehensive article requires research and analysis.

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        Jack Lee 

        4 months ago from Yorktown NY

        Larry, I wrote this following hub for people like you. I hope you have a chance to read it and comment. I wrote it as a piece of fiction but it may apply to our future...

        https://hubpages.com/literature/Could-This-Happen-...

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        Larry Rankin 

        4 months ago from Oklahoma

        I've almost come to the opinion that if we insist on making it one extreme or the other, than I'd rather there be no guns allowed.

        I've always believed and still believe people should be able to own guns with reasonable regulation, but in this issue with its million miles of middle ground if we must choose one extreme or the other, I choose no guns.

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        4 months ago from now on

        Still can't stay on topic can you. It's your hubpage, you'd think you could stay on topic on your own hub page, but I guess you are right, it really isn't worth reading.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Hi Brad: Well I see you ended your sentence with a happy face, so my article can't be all that bad...right?

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Thank you Jack: According to the research, the number one reason for owning guns is for protection. That protection includes many things including protecting the 2nd amendment. Did you know that if you don't exercise the Bill of Rights, you don't lose any of those rights.?

        Thanks for dropping by.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        TSAD: Welcome back. You just can't seem to stay away from my articles. While I was doing the research and analysis for this article, I was thinking about you and what you said about me.

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Oscar: Here is the definition of elitist:

        A person who believes that they are superior to others (and thus deserve favored status) because of their intellect, social status, wealth, or other factors. 2. Somebody who believes that society should be ruled by an elite class.

        By that definition, I don't consider myself an elitist. I think that is a derogatory term used by the right.

        Thanks for your comments

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        Mike Russo 

        4 months ago from Placentia California

        Mr. Happy, Thank you so much for stopping by. Yes, I believe fear and insecurity can be a great motivator. it is just a matter of degree as to how much they will be able to motivate people.

        Thank you for your observations and comments.

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        bradmasterOCcal 

        4 months ago from Orange County California

        What did you do Mike:)

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        Jack Lee 

        4 months ago from Yorktown NY

        Very good article. However, you missed the most important reason for the right to owning a gun. That is stated by our founding fathers... to insure our freedom against a foreign or domestic tyrannical government. It is an insurance policy so that our bill of rights cannot be revoked by any government force.

        The 2nd ammendment is not obsolete as claimed by retired Justice Stevens. It is needed more now than ever.

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        4 months ago from now on

        Oscar, isn't it sad that in today's world, after lesson upon lesson from history you have to explain this to anyone in America? But thank you for telling it like it is.

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        Oscar Jones 

        4 months ago from Monroeville, Alabama

        The one time you needed protection, and you didnt have it, you will regret.

        The one time bad happens and police protection isnt there, you will regret giving up your right to protect yourself.

        Its elitist mentality that demands forfeiture of firearms. They want you to disarm, while they supposedly maintain the law with thier own legal for them, not for you firearms.

        Ask people in dictator nations why they are in that fix. They will tell you the bad people outlawed fast shooting guns for its citizens and enforced it with rapid fire firearms. The short version is that people become sheep, and whatever or whoever governs them have become the wolves that continue to extract freedoms. Its going on now in London. They are taking peoples table knifes and even screwdrivers, trying to stop crime, while the criminal laugh at the law and still commit evil acts. Give government too much power and they will overcome its citizens. That is the message sent us via the constitution makers who formed our great country. Its NOT just about what liberals or conservative believe or comfortable with. Its something, a right and privilege that should never become negotiable.

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        Mr. Happy 

        4 months ago from Toronto, Canada

        What they do hear and believe is "they are coming to confiscate all my guns, either now or in the future." - Yes, this is very true from my experience. I had a back and forth conversation here on Hub-pages, about two weeks ago with a Conservative who basically said the same thing: that if we allow any more regulations/restrictions on gun sales, that would end-up in all guns being taken away at a later time.

        It's Fear and this is part of a bigger, Fear mentality that some Conservatives have. They fear that their guns will be taken away. They fear an invasion of Muslims. They fear the government. They fear liberals. They fear their way of life is disappearing.

        Other than my last point in the above paragraph, all those fears are nonsense. They are imaginative fears.Only the last point has credence: that the Conservative morality is disappearing and it very well is but that's just part of Life. Everything changes in Life: morals, habits, rules, laws, even our physiology changes over time. Rivers, Oceans and Mountains change yet, Conservatives do not want to change their mentality. I keep telling them that they're so backwards, if they don't progress, they will join the dinosaurs. It's their only road ahead as long as they do not adapt and change.

        "Why should they have to comply with more rules that are not going to help them?" - This is also nonsense. Is it that hard to understand that we live in societies and that in societies there are many different kinds of people, who need to abide by a wide variety of laws? Sure, I do not like surveillance cameras around. I do not steal so, why am I being filmed when I am out walking around? Well, it is because some other people steal and so, cameras are needed. The same thing happens with guns: some people use them in horrible ways so, we have to put all the restrictions available to stop the people acting badly from having guns. The argument is very simple and not hard to understand in my opinion.

        "The real question is how do we foretell when these people are going to commit these crimes?" - We are not going to have a system to foretell who is going to commit a crime but we can prepare ourselves and we can take preemptive measures, such as closing the gun show loop-hole, not allowing people with mental disabilities to own guns, prohibiting the sale of military style weapons, etc. These are sensible measures but when dealing with people who are afraid of an array of things and they hug Fear as if it was their best friend, any sensible measures to them sounds like the end of the world. In fact, for many Conservatives it is the end of the world. It is the end of the world as they know it and that is their main problem (aside from the fact that they cannot fight the natural changes that comes with the passing of Time).

        Good article on an important topic. Thank You for writing it.

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