C. E. Clark home schooled her child from Kindergarten through high-school. Public and private education is high in importance to Ms. Clark.
The Continuing Dispute Despite a Court Order on April 7, 2014
The main disagreement that continues between the Department of Justice and Bobby Jindal and his administration is over whether or not Jindal’s pet program, to move all public school students into private schools, interferes with the court order issued in 1956, and again in 1960 (because it was ignored the first time), to desegregate all public schools in Louisiana.
The Department of Justice is concerned that all students of African American descent, or possibly all students of color ,will be the ones that are issued vouchers to go to private schools, thus effectively segregating students of color from white students in the Louisiana public school system all over again.
As we all know, there are often many roads leading to a particular destination. Some may not seem to go to that particular destination on the surface, but ultimately, that is where they end up.
The most recent court order on April 7, 2014 by U.S. District Judge Ivan R. Lemelle in New Orleans requires Louisiana to provide data about the racial background of students enrolling in the voucher program to the Department of Justice. That is so the DOJ can determine if the court order of 1960 ordering desegregation is being honored.
‘"We welcome the court's order as it rejects the state's bid to resist providing even the most basic information about how Louisiana's voucher program will affect school desegregation efforts," U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement on Tuesday night [April 8, 2014],”’ (Edweek.org).
Jindal and his administration, however, continue to attempt to thwart the Department of Justice in their oversight efforts, not wanting the federal government to be looking over Louisiana’s shoulder to make sure they are administering their voucher program fairly and with the desegregation order in mind. If Louisiana did not already have a record of segregation the DOJ would not be insisting on the documentation.
The Foundation for Excellence in Education reports, “Two studies have been done to examine the issue [segregation resulting from the school voucher program]. The first, by a researcher at Boston University, found that the program actually improved diversity in 16 of the 34 districts in question, with little to no impact on the remaining districts. The other, conducted by doctoral fellows at the University of Arkansas, found that “the overwhelming majority (83 percent)” of transfer students “have positive impacts on the racial integration of the student’s sending school.”
The founder and chairman of the board of directors for Foundation for Excellence in Education is Jeb Bush.
Picketing for School Choice
What Are Most Private Schools In Louisiana Reportedly Teaching Students?
Mother Jones reports that many of the private schools participating in the Louisiana voucher program are Christian Schools (119 or so of them). Apparently these private Christian schools use the A Beka Book curriculum, or the Bob Jones University Press textbooks in their schools.
Among other things, the curriculums mentioned teach that dinosaurs and humans were on the earth at the same time (Bob Jones University Life Science). There is in fact no proof of this.
Also in Bob Jones University Life Science, 3rd edition: Dragons were real, fire breathing, smoke, and all.
Now this next one that is included in A Beka Book, the section titled, “Land That I love,” is to my thinking offensive to say the least. The article itself is titled: God used the Trail of Tears to bring many Indians to Christ.
As a Christian myself, I find this offensive, because it blames God instead of the people who orchestrated this horrific event, for the horrible things white people did to the Cherokees, Seminoles, Chickasaws, and Creek Nation -- native Americans.
Just the title of this piece makes it clear that the writer has no revulsion for the egregious acts that were forced onto civilized decent people because white people wanted to steal their land. This is what children are being taught in these schools. Is it any wonder that racism is alive and well when children are taught to rationalize such horrific treatment of a people for the purpose of stealing their land?
Another egregious untruth included in the Bob Jones University Press textbook titled United States History for Christian Schools, 2nd edition: "A few slave holders were undeniably cruel. Examples of slaves beaten to death were not common, neither were they unknown. The majority of slave holders treated their slaves well."
What exactly does the author mean when s/he says the majority of slave owners treated their slaves well? That they used what was at the time considered good business English when they put these people on the auction block? What behavior of slave owners in conjunction with the treatment of their slaves could possibly be described as “well?” No matter what else these slave owners did or did not do, they did buy and sell people and they did control every minute of those people’s time on this planet. What is “well” about that?
Discovering that we are teaching children that slavery was for the most part okey-dokey is repugnant to this writer. If this is what Christian education is teaching children, no wonder the atheist community is growing by leaps and bounds!
It gets worse. Also from the same textbook titled United States History for Christian Schools, 3rd edition, and again from Bob Jones University, “[The Ku Klux] Klan in some areas of the country tried to be a means of reform, fighting the decline in morality and using the symbol of the cross. Klan targets were bootleggers, wife-beaters, and immoral movies. In some communities it achieved a certain respectability as it worked with politicians.”
It seems we have all been misinformed. It turns out that the KKK is a benevolent organization that only does good. We should all aspire to organize such a Godly fraternity in our communities. Is it any wonder that racism lives when children are basically being taught racism in school? Who needs a skin head for a parent when the teachers and schools are teaching such outrageous things, in the name of God no less?
A Beka Book, United States History: Heritage of Freedom, 2nd edition, "Perhaps the best known work of propaganda to come from the Depression was John Steinbeck's The Grapes of Wrath…Other forms of propaganda included rumors of mortgage foreclosures, mass evictions, and hunger riots and exaggerated statistics representing the number of unemployed and homeless people in America."
How can anyone in good conscious teach children such drivel? How can anyone even think such things as the quotes I have presented here so far?
All the outrages of these two systems, A Beka Book and Bob Jones University, are not included here. I have only begun to scratch the surface. I recommend you follow the source to Mother Jones below and research further for yourself, especially if you have school age children you are thinking of putting in a Christian school, or if you are home schooling. A Beka Book and Bob Jones curriculums are very popular with some home schoolers.
In any case, the curriculums discussed here are prevalent in most of the Christian schools licensed to accept school vouchers in Louisiana. I have no problem teaching creationism or intelligent design (which is what I believe) along with evolution. I believe these texts described above go far beyond that and what they pass off as teaching morals leaves more than a great deal to be desired.
Examples of a Christian Textbook
Another Christian Textbook Example
The Latest on the Louisiana Voucher Program as of May 2013
Fox News and the Washington Post report that the Louisiana State Supreme Court ruled on May 7, 2013 in a 6-1 decision that the funding method for Governor Bobby Jindal’s pet project, the private school tuition voucher program, is unconstitutional.
The Louisiana Association of Educators is demanding that Jindal get all the money back that was paid out (illegally) to private and religious schools this past school year. The Association is threatening a lawsuit if Jindal does not comply with their terms.
As previously stated, the Louisiana Constitution forbids the use of money earmarked for public school to be used to pay tuition to private schools. Jindal is determined to keep the voucher program going.
While no decision has yet been made as to how they will continue to pay for the vouchers it is likely that the state legislature will have to get involved and create new legislation to remedy the current law that does not allow public education funds to be used for the voucher program. Jindal suggested that for now the money would come out of the state’s general budget instead of the education budget.
About 5,000 students received vouchers last school year and 8,000 are expected to receive vouchers this coming school year in Louisiana. Many parents receiving vouchers are choosing parochial schools for their children that teach creationism instead of evolution.
The reason so many parents are choosing religious schools for their children is not for the reason you might think. It is because those are the only schools that have openings for voucher students. So what has really been solved if students are stuck going to the only schools that have space left? How is that better than the public school they were attending before?
Meanwhile, the Indiana’s State Supreme Court has recently ruled that their voucher program is constitutional and it is expected to continue even though the vouchers are being paid for by tax dollars and end up being used to pay tuition in parochial schools. The judges in the majority said the money is being given to parents to make their own choices and so it is not the government that is directly paying the tuition in the religious schools, therefore they see no issue with the division of church and state.
Governor of Louisiana, Bobby Jindal, vows to fight for his signature program -- school vouchers
State Judge Tim Kelley ruled on November 30, 2012, that Louisiana's “sweeping” school voucher program could not use funds set aside for public education to pay private-school tuition for thousands of low- and middle-income children.
Judge Kelley did not issue an immediate injunction to stop the voucher program so that the 5,000 students, at the cost of approximately 25 million dollars, who are already utilizing the program will be able to continue at least until any appeals are resolved.
However it is unlikely that more vouchers will be issued under the current circumstances. Judge Kelley ruled the voucher system was unconstitutional, and the program is facing even more challenges.
According to Stephanie Simon writing for Reuters, “. . . a federal judge in New Orleans ruled that the program had the potential to disrupt the region's court-ordered efforts to desegregate public schools.” Since that ruling in Tangipahoa Parish, at least 30 additional school districts in Louisiana say they will bring similar court challenges before federal courts.
Simon writes: “In a statement, Jindal didn't tip his hand about his tactics but did issue a forceful vow to defend his signature program.”
Campbell Robertson writing for the New York Times reports: “It [the funding issue] is certainly not as potentially problematic for the program as a decision that vouchers violate a standing court order on desegregation, as a federal judge ruled last week in regard to such an order in one Louisiana parish.”
So what it boils down to for the moment is that supporters of the voucher program will have a tougher time defending against the desegregation order than they will have of finding a way to fund the program that will satisfy state law. Either way, it will be a while before this issue is resolved and may never be resolved to everyone’s satisfaction. I will keep you posted on future rulings and events on this issue.
What States In Addition to Louisiana Already Have Voucher Programs In Place or Are Trying to Create Them?
According to the Wall Street Journal, 19 states and Washington D.C. already have voucher systems or “scholarship programs” in place to assist underprivileged and special needs students who wish to attend private schools to do so. Some of those states include Wisconsin, Colorado, Mississippi, Arizona, Ohio, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio, and Alabama.
Several states have either expanded or created voucher systems in the last few months, including Indiana, Virginia, and Florida. Texas recently attempted passage of a school voucher system but it failed. There will be a next time.
To learn what your state is doing in regard to vouchers for public school students, Google your state and school vouchers – example: Texas School Voucher System, or Utah School Voucher system.
The Beginning of the End of Public School in Louisiana?
Starting this school year in August/September 2012, the first steps will be taken to make the public school system in Louisiana a private school system. The ultimate goal is to do away with the public school system and replace it entirely with a private system -- and not exactly like the private school system we currently have in place.
In fact, from what it looks like right now, it would be more accurate to call the future Louisiana school system a private educational system, rather than a school system, since in some cases it will not resemble what most people presently think of as “school.”
Starting at the beginning of this coming school year, low income or poor children, along with middle class children, will receive vouchers that will pay the total cost of tuition at more than 120 private schools in Louisiana. Bible based schools will be included.
Tens of millions of tax dollars will be taken out of the Louisiana public school system. It will go instead to private schools, business owners, industry trade groups, churches, online schools, tutors, and possibly other private sector education vendors.
"We are changing the way we deliver education," said Governor Bobby Jindal, a Republican who muscled the plan through the legislature this spring over fierce objections from Democrats and teachers unions. "We are letting parents decide what's best for their children, not government," (The New Media Journal).
What Will Be The Next Step In Dissolving the Public School System In Louisiana?
In the fall of 2013, children of any income level will be able to receive what are termed “mini-vouchers.” The mini-vouchers can be used to pay a wide spectrum of education vendors for apprenticeships, classes, or instruction that is not generally available in public schools. As previously stated, these vendors could include industry trade groups, online schools, businesses, or tutors, etc.
Since private schools are not required to accept students they do not want, and since private schools are often more limited in seats available, they will first determine which students they are willing to accept. The names of those students will be put in a lottery where only a certain number of desirable students will be chosen.
Less prestigious religious schools have more seats available and people who may not have wanted to send their children to parochial schools may have no choice when public schools are no longer an option.
Disadvantages Of Dissolving the Public School System
So far, the list of religious schools willing to accept large numbers of students have a litany of shortages. For example, some religious schools use textbooks “warning that liberals threaten global prosperity.”
The Upperroom Bible Church Academy in New Orleans has all classrooms with no windows, and there is no playground. It is hoping to receive as many as 214 vouchers valued at 1.8 million dollars.
New Living Word (school) in Ruston Louisiana has 314 seats available. It has no library and students spend most of the day watching television. Instructions are on DVD, and even subjects like chemistry and English composition include Bible verses.
Bible based instruction is fine so long as you are a Christian in agreement with the school’s translation of the Bible, but if you are not and that is the only school that will accept your child, then what?
"Because it's private, it's considered to be inherently better," said Steve Monaghan, president of the Louisiana Federation of Teachers. "From a consumer perspective, it's buyer beware,” (Huffington Post, June 1, 2012).
Possible Advantages Of the Voucher System
John White, Louisiana Superintendent of Education, pointed out, “ . . . many kids applying for vouchers are now enrolled in dismal public schools where two-thirds of the students can't read or do math at grade level and half will drop out before they graduate high school,” (Huffington Post, June 1, 2012).
It is hoped that by turning education over to the private sector where competition can be stiff, the education that is delivered to every child will be greatly improved.
Is This Just A Way Of Eventually Doing Away With a Tax Supported Education System All Together?
It seems to me that for many people our education system is failing more and more often. I have been exposed to people of all ages, all sexes, and from all walks of life, who cannot read, or cannot read reasonably well. People who cannot do simple math without a calculator. People who know little or nothing about the geography or history of this country, much less any other. People of all colors and ethnicities born and reared in this country who cannot speak or write proper English. Definitely something needs to be done to improve our educational system.
My concern is that once the voucher system is in place for a while, it too will be phased out, leaving people of all socioeconomic levels with the responsibility of educating their own children. Many, if not all of the poor will be unable to do so. Many middleclass parents may not be able to do so. The public school system, bad as it is, trumps no education system at all.
Everyone who is familiar with my hubs knows that I home schooled my daughter (now grown up) from start to finish, all the way through high school. While I believe home school is the best form of education, I realize that everyone is not capable of educating their own children, for a variety of reasons.
Many children are falling through the cracks now, so to speak, but I fear the situation will become even worse if education is one day not available to some children because they are poor, through no fault of their own.
Mother Jones magazine online
The Foundation for Excellence in Education
Washington Examiner on Eric Holder opposition to school vouchers
Louisiana desegregation order
This content reflects the personal opinions of the author. It is accurate and true to the best of the author’s knowledge and should not be substituted for impartial fact or advice in legal, political, or personal matters.
© 2012 C E Clark
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on July 19, 2017:
Shyron, thank you for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. Blessings and hugs to you also.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on July 01, 2017:
CEE (Au feit) it is a crying shame that people are walking around with blinders on or they think of this as a sports activity and they are going to stick with their team (republican) come hail or high water. Good luck with the Tsunami heading our way.
I hope all is well with you.
Blessings and hugs
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on March 06, 2017:
Thank you for stopping by Shyron. Actually the Republicans were planning to go with vouchers whether DeVos was confirmed or not. Her job is to destroy the Dept. of Education. Once they get vouchers in everyone's hands they can play the same game they're playing with MediCare, Medicaid, and Social Security. Shrinking the benefits down more and more until they're down to zero. That's their plan for Medicaid and MediCare too -- with vouchers.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on February 16, 2017:
I guess the whole country will now go the way of Louisiana, now that Betsy De Vos is in charge of education.
Hope all is well with you. take care dear friend.
Robert Sacchi on August 02, 2016:
Yes, I think it would make a great article.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on August 02, 2016:
Robert Sacchi, I'm sure if one took the time the information is available online. I only checked for about 5 minutes. There is also the possibility of calling them and asking outright. An interview with one of their administrators would make for an interesting article.
Robert Sacchi on July 22, 2016:
It would seem an interesting study. One of those many research projects I wish I had the resources to do :-)
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on July 22, 2016:
Robert Sacchi, everything I found in the few minutes I looked into Bob Jone's SAT tests talked about requirements for getting into their university, not how their students fared who took the tests.
Robert Sacchi on July 20, 2016:
Interesting article. Are you aware of any studies of how Bob Jones students fare on the SAT or college entrance?
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on April 27, 2015:
Kj Force, thank you for checking back on this hub and sharing your thoughts. I've updated it a couple of times since it was first published. There are things happening regarding this issue all the time. Most recently I read in our local paper that Texas has a bill in the state legislature that is expected to pass giving vouchers to a large section of the students body in our public schools.
It's always good when people continue to have interest in an article and of course the idea is to write about something that remains relevant for many years to come. I think this subject is going to be controversial for some time because I think those people who thought it was the ideal resolution to their problems will discover their problems have only just begun with the vouchers.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on April 26, 2015:
Shyron, thank you for coming by and commenting. Yes, I read about our state of Texas getting ready to vote on a voucher system as you pointed out. It's expected to pass. Yes, I think this is one of the things Tea Baggers want in an effort to 'take our country back.' Wait until they see their choices of private schools for their children. Then in a few years see how they figure out how to pay when funds for the vouchers are cut . . .
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on April 25, 2015:
Patricia (pstraubie48), thank you for reading and commenting on this article, for the votes, the share, and for the angels. Very much appreciate that you shared your thoughts with candor. We are in agreement with many things.
Keep in mind, and I know you know this, that today's school system is very different from when you and I went to school. I agree the schools are way too big, and as a result more time (IMHO) is spent organizing and discipling students than teaching them.
The textbooks shown here are used in the private schools in Louisiana where most people are using their vouchers. Very often the only 'other' choices for people with vouchers are religious schools, and schools that don't have the strong regulations public schools must have. These books aren't in public schools, and I agree, with the schools essentially teaching racism, sexism and worse, why is it any wonder those things are still going strong after all these decades of trying to get rid of those ugly things?
Our government must manage 325 million people plus illegal visitors, but our schools are much more easily managed if we cared to take that on. I really think our children would do so much better in more small schools than one mega-school. They could always get together for athletic or other competitions so that students would get a taste of what they will be competing with in reality, but for learning, I think smaller is better so that there is a smaller student/teacher ratio.
I do think we need to fix the current system, not dismantle it and get rid of it completely. Many children, especially poor children, will get no education without our public school system and that will all but guarantee they will become criminals.
If you're paying attention you know that funds are being cut again and again for education at every level. Bad idea.
Thank you again for your thoughts!
kjforce from Florida on April 22, 2015:
Here we go again...Fixing broken with inferior parts that were formerly known as garbage...like most of society today... trying to " re-inventing the wheel "..
AAhh. technology/ education/...where does it end ? and who will be there at the end ? I read and commented on this article when it was first publishedand glad to see it is still getting attention...perhaps that's a positive ?
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on April 21, 2015:
I just heard that our state is going to go the way of Louisiana and start issuing vouchers to send the poor and middle class kids to private schools at least until the public schools are eviscerated. Is this what they mean by taking our country back to the stone age?
Patricia Scott from North Central Florida on April 20, 2015:
Hi AuFait I do not know how I missed this or if I did, and just do not recall responding. Education in general is such a hot topic. You are right...there is much that needs 'fixing' for sure. No doubt I could ramble on and on about how I think the schools got in the situation they are in and what I think can be done to rectify what has happened. One thing is for certain, in my estimation, is that inventing new ways to use our tax dollars is NOT the answer. And what is with these textbooks you showed??? I can only ask...are you kidding me to whomever thinks they are a good idea.
Now just for the sake of convesation...this question always comes to my mind when the ills of our educational systems comes up....if public schools are so horrendous, how did our generation every manage to survive ? I may not be the sharpest tack on the wall but neither am I totally unfortunate ? It seems that our educational system HAS taken a downturn...and the reasons are multiple...at least one element of that downturn is the size of most schools. Too big, too impersonal.
Too many unimportant tests deemed necessary by state and federal governments.
Closing neighborhood schools is another factor...busing kids hither thither and yon takes the ownership in the school away ...and on and on and on....
Vouchers....don't even get me started.
We allowed this to happen ....yes, while we weren't watching...just like we have allowed the government to become too big, we allowed the schools to do the same. and now that it has happened we shake our heads in disbelief.
I have written on your hubs before about home schooling...I would home school any child of my own (and may home school the youngest soon if all does not go well this fall for him ...I homeschooled his eldest brother)...the main reasons I would is: 1. safety issues 2. all of the unnecessary meaningless testing...
I do think I am rather off topic in my comment but this whole school thing makes my jaws tight.
Well done AuFait
Shared and voted up++++
Angels are on the way to you this afternoon ps
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on February 16, 2015:
DeborahDian, thank you for reading and commenting on this article! Keep in mind that the issues being discussed here are not being taught in public schools, but in private schools, mostly religious schools, where the LA vouchers are being used, and also by home schooling parents who choose one of the two homeschooling programs described here.
Deborah Carr from Orange County, California on February 14, 2015:
This is another one of your eye-opening articles. I could barely believe the excerpts you printed from the "Christian" history books. What is Christian about condoning slavery and lying to children about the poverty during the Great Depression? While I agree that the public school system has many flaws, as the mother of two teachers I also know that most teachers work extremely hard to educate their students, sometimes despite parents who do not want their children to do homework. We criticize foreign countries who only give their children biased religious education ... and then ignore the parents here who want to do the same thing!
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on October 23, 2014:
Thank you for commenting Shyron. No, they don't care -- except about what it's costing to educate other people's children. They don't like having to pay taxes for that purpose because they can't understand that a better educated populace benefits everyone. Better educated people are less likely to require public assistance, less likely to end up in jail, and more likely to become tax payers themselves.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on October 19, 2014:
This need to be said again, and again till people pay attention
When public schools have been eradicated, then what happens?
How do we get them back? How do we get our less fortunate kids educated?
I have no idea how people would allow this to happen.
Do they just not care?
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on August 08, 2014:
WrenchBiscuit, thank you for taking time to read and comment on this article! Very appreciate your snippet of our history as well. To see what is written in the specified textbooks in these Christian schools is just unbelievable.
To think that racism, sexism, and intolerance of so many different kinds is actually taught in any school in this country, much less a 'Christian' school, and then subsidized by tax dollars, is truly incredible.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on August 07, 2014:
Thank you for your continued interest in this issue, Shyron. Yes, it pretty much floored me when I discovered they were teaching this garbage to children. No wonder we have so many discrimination issues these days, and then blaming their racist attitudes on God!
I can see why some Christians might not want to admit they are Christians because all Christians get lumped together and there really is no way to tell us all apart -- who are the racists and who are not, unless you ask each of us pointblank.
How in the world can anyone even imagine that rationalizing the ugly treatment of any people, or downplaying the significance of those ugly treatments is Christian? The Trail of Tears and slavery were both downplayed in the most egregious way, and there was more, but I didn't want to put the whole article inside mine.
You should see how they blame little girls for enticing their own fathers to do unspeakable things! Talk about blaming the victim! It's shocking IMO. Dad is supposed to be the main protector, not the evil little girls must fear. Imagine being blamed by one's own congregation and everyone you know -- shamed for 'enticing' the horrible sexual things one's father has done to you! These people should all be flogged in the public square for teaching such trash to children. Just unbelievable!
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on August 06, 2014:
Ralph Deeds, very much appreciate your taking time to read and comment on this article. I have not seen the movies you mentioned, but in fact I haven't seen any movie in at least 3 years. I will add these movies to my list in the event I ever get the opportunity to just have a movie weekend or something. Appreciate your mentioning those movies so that my readers can also consider watching them.
Have to say, what I learned about the A Beka Book and Bob Jones University Press books is really shocking to me. Unbelievable that racism, sexism, and some really weird stuff is being taught in so-called Christian schools. Subsidizing these programs with tax dollars through school vouchers is pretty egregious IMHO.
Ronnie wrenchBiscuit on August 04, 2014:
Thank you for this article. You have highlighted a good example of why many Indigenous are increasingly turning away from the lies of America. There was a hope by many that after the late 60's, and the civil rights movement, that things would get better.
But as you have pointed out, many of these racists will not be satisfied until we are all turned into ghosts. Historical revisionism is a mechanism of genocide .The horrors endured by my ancestors, and the 5 civilized tribes at the hands of U.S. soldiers during the forced removal, have been covered up with lies, such as you have noted. Many women and young girls were gang raped by U.S. soldiers during the process. I have a personal relationship with Jesus, and I can tell you that Jesus is not a rapist, a murderer, or a thief. The devil himself is the architect of Manifest Destiny.
It appears that this country might better be segregated, but not along racial lines. The racists should be segregated and set apart from the rest of humanity. They have proven over the last 500 years that they are a breed unto themselves.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on August 04, 2014:
Au fait, your update is interesting in that half my ancestors are Native Americans, who were along the east coast. I found my gggrandma's Dawes Roll number, when she was forced with her family to take the Trail of Tears, so I can prove this. I dislike people trying to re-write history. And it seems these people who are supposed to be shaping the minds of our children also want to add to or take away from our bibles.
Thumb-up UAI and shared.
Blessings to you
Ralph Deeds from Birmingham, Michigan on August 04, 2014:
Nice job. Have you, by chance, seen the movie "Belle?" It's outstanding and should be mandatory for all students, junior high and up. I liked it better than "12 Years a Slave." [Both were based on true stories.]
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on August 04, 2014:
Just updated this article with over 1300 words and more photos. Anyone following this issue should be sure to check it out. Thanks!
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on July 30, 2014:
Thank you for coming by Shyron. I have hoped to update this article and thought after 2 years there would be new information, and there are problems a lot of people had not anticipated as well as unhappiness among many parents, but nothing except little bits and pieces here and there. I think the unhappy people in Louisiana will hold Jindal's feet to the fire whether he talks about this issue or not. Let's hope so. Thanks for the votes and the share too.
Have a blessed day!
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on July 28, 2014:
Ralph Deeds, thank you for commenting and adding good information. I have read that Arizona is also having problems with their voucher system and with their charter schools.
Ralph Deeds from Birmingham, Michigan on July 26, 2014:
I was sorry to see on television recently that white neighborhoods are trying to pull out of the East Baton Rouge school district. Shame on them. Michigan governor Slick Rick Snyder has been turning public schools into charter schools at a record pace.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on July 25, 2014:
If this is such a wonderful idea, why is it so hush, hush?
Why is Jindal so quiet? Is he afraid if the results of this get out, it will ruin his chances when he runs for president in 2016?
Voted this up again UAI and shared.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on March 27, 2014:
Thank you for stopping by Ralph Deeds! I'm not sure Jindal should practice medicine either if he's as bad at that as he is at politics. Doctors should have compassion, don't you think?
Agree the man is not anything close to an intellectual, but that isn't exactly a prerequisite for being a member of his club. He and his cronies usually disdain intellectuality from my observations.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on March 24, 2014:
Thank you for stopping by Shyron. Jindal has been running for a while, so yes, I knew his hat was in the ring. He wants the prestige and power like most people who try for that job.
Republicans in general want to end public education and the Louisiana program is sort of a test to see how things work out. More states have already followed months ago already, and I think you can expect that all states will follow suit over time whether Jindal becomes president or not.
Do hope you had a productive day today and that there are improvements underway for your medical issues. I wish you only the very best always. I'm about to hit the sack as morning will be here again in no time.
Ralph Deeds from Birmingham, Michigan on March 24, 2014:
Bobby Jindal is a doctor who should have stuck to medicine. Moreover, he's not exactly an intellectual giant.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on March 18, 2014:
I just heard on one of the talk show I listen to on the radio that this man Jindal will run for Our president in 2016.
Why does he want to rule? So he can rewrite the Golden Rule, and put an end to public schools?
Have you heard any more about this?
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on December 19, 2013:
Thank you moonlake for pinning this article!
moonlake from America on December 16, 2013:
Came by to pin this on my Pinterest board.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on December 06, 2013:
Shyron, thank you for stopping by and sharing your concerns. I worry, too, that this is the beginning of the end of readily available education for the less fortunate in our society.
Thanks for the votes and share, too!
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on November 26, 2013:
Thank you Ralph Deeds for commenting on this article! Indeed, you have just insulted rats everywhere. ;)
Ralph Deeds from Birmingham, Michigan on November 25, 2013:
Michigan is well down the charter school road. As I recall 80 % Detroit students are in private or charter schools. Jindal is a little lying rat.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on November 25, 2013:
I just hope everyone reads this so they will know that this man want to end education for poor and middle class children.
Voted up, U/A/I and shared.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on August 21, 2013:
Thank you Shyron for shedding light on this article. Appreciate it very much. Also appreciate the votes and sharing. Updated it as of May 7 of this year at the very beginning, and there won't likely be anymore updates to this issue until school goes back into session again for a while. I'll be interested to know how they work out too, but many states as I said in my update, are going ahead with vouchers even before learning how they're working out in LA.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on August 19, 2013:
I wonder how the voucher system is working out for this man who wants to be our next presidnet.
Voted up, useful, awesome and interesting, shared and pinned.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 27, 2013:
Thank you for your comment Shyron. It is the goal of all the states and a particular party that shall not be named and my dear friend Aunt Jimi would say, who want to get rid of the public school system. Many of the other states are already on their way to a private school voucher system.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 27, 2013:
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, Glenda. If you have a Pinterest account you don't have to join HP in order to pin hubs. :)
Glenda on June 26, 2013:
I am thinking jindel thinks he will still get federal monies besides the vouchers from the federal Gov. This is such an informative hub.
If I join HP I will come back and pin this one.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 25, 2013:
Thank you TIMETRAVELER2, for reading and sharing your thoughts on this subject, and for voting! Agree that these are the first steps in ending public education. While I'm not a proponent of charter schools, I think they are just a small part of the problem. Most of the private schools that will accept student's vouchers are parochial schools and they're 4th rate at best -- not saying all charger schools are any better.
I have read the hub titled 3D Revolution as have you, and I think that is the end goal. The powers that be do not want to spend money on educating people they hope will go away.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 24, 2013:
Levertis Steele, thank you for reading and sharing your thoughts on this subject.
The vouchers are not given to anyone out of a sense of entitlement. Certain political ideology at this time wants to privatize as many things as possible. They privatized the prison system in Louisiana a while back and that's certainly doing fabulous -- guess I need to point out that I'm being facetious here. It is not doing well from all accounts.
Assure you that people are not getting vouchers simply because they want them. It is because a particular political party doesn't want to support education with their tax dollars, and so thousands of children are being given vouchers to attend private schools.
If you follow some of the links you will see that some if not many of those private schools leave a lot to be desired.
In an update I added a couple of months ago I listed a few of the states that are adopting the voucher program. It will eventually destroy the public school system, and the Department of Education, which has been targeted by a certain political party for a very long time.
The vouchers are not for the purpose of benefiting the children or their parents, or poor or disabled children. They are for the purpose of ending the public school system. When all is said and done, all children including children of the super, out of this world wealthy people, will also receive vouchers. Yes, when Washington state adopts this voucher program or a similar one, even the children of Bill Gates will receive them. Has nothing to do with welfare.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 23, 2013:
Alecia Murphy, thank you for reading and commenting on this hub. Some private schools do have libraries and physical education classes. The thing about private schools is there is no uniformity between them because they are private. Some of the parochial schools that many Louisiana children are being relegated to have very little in the way of anything, and that's unfortunate. Out of the frying pan into the fire . . .
In fact most states are moving to vouchers. I put an update in this hub a couple of months ago listing some of the states that had already started the process. I think privatizing public school is a big mistake that will be realized only after it has happened.
Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on June 21, 2013:
You would think this would serve as a wake-up call to the other states that want to abolish the Public School system.
Sondra Rochelle from USA on June 21, 2013:
This is an extremely important issue and speaks to the end of the public school system in the US as we have known it. What ever happened to the separation of church and state? I have been against charter schools since the beginning and it has already been proven that they work no better than public schools. What they DO do, however, is line the pockets of some very greedy and unethical business people. Thanks for writing this one. voted up.
Levertis Steele from Southern Clime on June 20, 2013:
I thought that the majority of the majority wanted to move away from government assistance programs! Vouchers are like getting welfare, I thought. Speaking silently of "feeling entitled," who is really entitled to these vouchers?? Maybe I am missing something here. I once worked in a private school, but all parents paid their own way 100% without any government help, and most of them were poor and middle-class working people (both parents, except single parents). The ones who could not pay all of their fees did something to help themselves. They participated regularly in fundraisers, had car washes and garage and bake sales and many other efforts that generated funds. Some even sold books and magazines. If people want private schools, that is their right, but they need to get additional jobs. Parents who cannot work in any capacity or fundraise are the ones who need vouchers for their children to go to private schools if that is their choice. Isn't that the message issued to government-dependent people? If government assistance is frowned upon, then, vouchers may not be right for those who think so. Vouchers have not just been given to the poor who could not do better; they have been given to very able people for years.
In a very multicultural country like America, there should be no surprise that there are so many major disagreements. Even now, the immigration flow to America is very heavy. People who support early traditional American values want various systems to remain as their forefathers fixed them. I strongly agree with those, such as the true Christian values and freedom, although these have been very one-sided in many cases, and that problem created more problems over the centuries. I am not disagreeing with everything the traditionalists want, but I do want to highlight the fact that other people, once extremely minorities, are growing fast! That is life, and so is CHANGE, with no right or wrong applied due to the complexity.
This land once belonged to Natives, once the majority, but how many care what they think now that they are a minority? Not nearly enough. Right or wrong, "the majority has always ruled among men," and it is "counted as righteousness in the world," unless the majority becomes a minority. Then, the coin flips. Wow, what a tangled web!
The problem is some selfishness and the inability of the whole to recognize and settle on what is right and what is wrong. That is why we have "newsworthy" arguments and wars at home and abroad. When all of this mess is said and done, someone will come up with the "bright" idea that there really is a right and wrong to everything. Righteousness will always be victorious in the end, and wrong will always fall in the end. I, too, disagree with the teaching of falsehoods, as well as racism and hatred, in any schools. The wicked strengths of man will never subdue righteousness, and that is a law of life. Translated: if privitization of public schools is right, it will prevail to the end; if not, it will fall at the end. That falls under a law of life.
This hub is a bit controversial, but quite interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Alecia Murphy from Wilmington, North Carolina on June 20, 2013:
I think this is a mistake. Granted I'm no parent but I was a student not that long ago. When I was in school I wanted to go to private school but looking back on it, good thing I didn't. There are some things that are essential to learning that a public education requires such as access to a library with adequate resources and for the most part physical education.
While I think Jindal would like to brag about this, I don't see this happening in every state. Too much red tape to get around. Definitely interested to see how this plays out and how it works in Louisiana.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 19, 2013:
I have just now updated this article because there has been a Louisiana State Supreme Court ruling regarding the funding of Jindal's voucher program. Thank you Shyron, for your continued interest in this issue.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on June 19, 2013:
I came back to see if you have any new information. In light of the fact that jindal will be bragging about how he abolished the public schools, when he is campaigning for the 2016 Presidential seat.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 05, 2013:
Thank you for commenting Shyron. I need to check and see how things are going with the vouchers in LA. Apparently the powers that be are satified since they're moving vouchers into other states now.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 04, 2013:
Thank you for reading and commenting Aunt Jimi, and for voting and sharing. I am concerned about these same things. I guess it's going to happen so we will just have to wait and see.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on May 26, 2013:
Thank you Deborah-Diane for reading and voting on this hub and for sharing your experience and thoughts. My concern is that once everyone is in private school and the public schools are shut down, the vouchers will end leaving underprivileged children high and dry. You are correct too, in that charlatans will try to take advantage and offer substandard curriculums just to get the money.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on May 26, 2013:
Fantastic hub! I just wonder if mr. jendal will use this in his campaign, when he runs for President in 2016?
What a shame, people like him want to take our country back. Back to before Abe Lincoln days. They just may successed.
Aunt Jimi from The reddest of the Red states! on May 26, 2013:
This is no joke. All the states are planning to go to the voucher system and end public school as we've known it. I agree that the public school system needs some serious overhaul, but I'm not sure doing away with it and replacing it with private schools, some which may be substandard, is the answer. What happens to poor underprivileged kids when Republicans decide to stop the vouchers?
Voted up and awesome! Sharing.
Deborah-Diane from Orange County, California on May 23, 2013:
This is very interesting because I currently work in a public school in California, but our children went to both public and private schools when they were growing up in Texas. There are advantages to both private and public schools. Although I liked sending our two youngest daughters to private all-girls high schools, I never thought the state of Texas should have paid for it. If the voucher system becomes the standard, they may have to step the the requirements for private school teachers. Currently, they don't have to meet many of the same standards as public school teachers. This leaves the door open for some private companies to open low-quality private schools just to get the money. They could still offer an inferior education, and some time could pass before parents realized it ... since private schools also do not have to do all the same testing as public schools. Like I said, I loved the private schools my daughters attended, but I know that not all private schools are created equal, just as not all public schools are created equal. Fascinating article. Voted up.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on March 15, 2013:
Thank you moonlake for leaving a comment on this hub. Yes school vouchers are a very controversial issue right now and for the last few months. I've updated this hub just this morning because even though the Louisiana courts are deliberating about how vouchers will affect their affirmative action programs, they are going ahead with more vouchers and other states are now beginning to offer them. Wisconsin already has them for some students and Texas has recently voted them down, but you know they'll bring them up again.
moonlake from America on March 15, 2013:
Interesting hub you got lots of comments on this one. Voted up.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on February 03, 2013:
Thank you for stopping by Shyron. Your state, Texas, could very well be next since Texas is right at this moment weighing the possibility of using vouchers. Many states are waiting to see the outcome in Louisiana before introducing them in their own states, but yes, Texas is one of the states giving it serious, SERIOUS thought.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on February 02, 2013:
Thank you Rosalie Gibbs for reading and commenting on this hub and for sharing your concerns. Vouchers are being considered in a number of states right now and many of the people living in these states are not aware. It is definitely something that people who have school age children or who plan to send their children to public school should be looking into.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on February 01, 2013:
I have to keep track of this hub, my State might be next. The Rick Perry also wants to end education for poor and middle class children.
Rosalie Gibbs on February 01, 2013:
As a school teacher, I think giving people money to send their kids to private school will take money out of the public school system and lead to the dissolution of the public school system. Glad to see it's been put on hold no matter what the reason. School vouchers is a very controversial issue here where I live (Not Louisiana) and its scary to think what will happen as no solution has been come to and the argument continues.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on January 21, 2013:
Yes, I did put an update on this hub about how Judge Kelley has ruled that the way the vouchers are funded is unconstitutional along with info on the challenge regarding desegregation. Thank you for keeping up with this story Shyron!
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on January 19, 2013:
Timetraveler2, thank you for reading and commenting on this hub, and for sharing your thoughts and experience on this subject.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on January 17, 2013:
tillsontitan, thank you for reading, commenting, and voting on this hub. We would seem to be in agreement about this issue! ;) My biggest concern where these vouchers are concerned (the way they're to be used) is that the least fortunate among us will suffer and at some point end up with no means for education. If that should happen we are all worse off.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on January 16, 2013:
Deborah M Jones, thank you for commenting on this hub! And for sharing your thoughts on this subject.
I recommend you go to your profile page near the bottom of the page and click on "NO" where it says 'show only my featured hubs.' Unless you click on the 'no' your hubs are not visible to anyone who visits your profile. After all your work in writing them, don't you want people to have access? When you click no, all of your hubs will become accessible to people who visit your profile, not just the 'featured ones,' even if they are no longer indexed by Google.
Sondra Rochelle from USA on January 14, 2013:
If people would take the time to think about the fact that politicians don't know flip about really educating kids, situations like this would not exist.
There is nothing wrong with public education per se. It is people who "think" they know more about education than trained educators that get in the way and ruin our schools for everybody.
Charter and online schools will be the undoing of our educational system and parents are being led to them like lambs to the slaughter...as always.
As a retired teacher I must say this whole situation sickens me. Politicians and business people are making millions investing in Charter schools, and kids are losing out on their educations.
Glad you wrote this one...people need to see what's going on.
Mary Craig from New York on January 13, 2013:
Everyone is entitled to an education.....voucher, private, or home school...however it should be a free choice. I agree with you, doing away with public education Is not only a disservice but a tragedy for future generations! Improve the education available, don't do away with it.
You have written a very interesting hub and stirred up a lot of contoversary. Now if we could just get parents involved in their children's life AND education maybe we would wind up in a better world.
Voted up, useful, and interesting.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on January 13, 2013:
Glad you did an update to this, it is important for the rest of the country to find out the ins and outs of the situation.
Awesome update, everyone should read this information.
Deborah M Jones from Illinois on January 13, 2013:
Colleges and Universities, private and public, accept pell grants and the like from the government for many students to make up the difference & help pay for their tuition. The student and their parents determine what school is best for the student. The student is not boxed into a school or university that is only with their neighborhood. Really now, why would younger students be deprived from attending the best school of their choice. The government already gives money (a voucher) to private schools through the pell grant system. The answer is the Unions don't care about students learning anything. They would loose funding for their corrupted organization, that's why! https://hubpages.com/money/Will-school-vouchers-sa...
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on November 23, 2012:
rebeccamealey, thank you for reading and commenting on this hub, and for sharing your personal experience. While I recognize that public schools have a lot of problems, I think it is imperative to maintain the public school system and to do the best we can to correct the problems within it so that all children will always have equal access to education.
Rebecca Mealey from Northeastern Georgia, USA on November 21, 2012:
Throughout my entire teaching career, I did manage to teach one year in a privately operated school/daycare. It was the most poorly equipped classroom that I ever taught in. It was located in Charlotte, NC. It was much worse than the public schools in South Georgia where I ended up later. Thanks for your Hub!
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on August 25, 2012:
Thank you Peggy W for reading and commenting on my hub. You are correct in that even some college graduates cannot read. I have known a couple.
I'm a little concerned that vouchers replacing the public school system completely will eventually be fazed out too, and lead to all parents having to figure out how to educate their children and some parents not being able to because of poverty.
Peggy Woods from Houston, Texas on August 24, 2012:
I had not heard that all public schools would be closed in Louisianna in favor of giving vouchers for private school educations. Please do keep us posted!
I had a great parochial school education in my early years and from 8th grade on, it was public. Something surely needs correcting with the education system as it is today in the U.S. Back when I went to school, if a person did not pass...they had to take the grade or class again. There were no social promotions. It is sad when people cannot read, compute simple math, nor write a decent letter after graduating from high school...and in some cases, even college.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 27, 2012:
Thank you for commenting Dean Traylor. Appreciate your interest in this hub. I have read recently about the A.C.E. Curriculum being used in some parochial schools. My research showed even before the recent stories that many private schools were including religion in their instruction, even in chemistry class. Think I mentioned that in this hub.
You highlight one of the problems with the voucher system. Many children will not be accepted by the schools of their choice. The schools with the most seats available are and will be religious schools. Personally, I have no problem with creationism, but I do have a problem with their lack of logic where Nessi is concerned, and I do think everyone needs to be aware of and understand evolution theories, like so many other things, whether they agree with them or not.
Knowing about and understanding certain theories and concepts helps all of us to understand each other better. Knowing and understanding things does not necessarily mean agreeing with or incorporating these things into our own belief system or lives. It just makes us better educated and knowledgeable and might even prevent a war once in a a while.
The book someone tells me not to read goes to the top of the list of books I intend to read. I want to know why they want to prevent me from reading that book and what is in it that they are so afraid of.
I think parents should be able to choose whether or not their child attends a parochial school and their children should not be forced into them because of lack of available choices.
While I have a very close relationship with God, and I think everyone would benefit from a similar relationship with God, I do not believe in forcing my own beliefs onto other people, and I do not want other people, no matter how pious they think they are, teaching my child about God. I do think everyone needs to learn about and understand both creationism AND evolution just for the sake of being informed.
Dean Traylor from Southern California/Spokane, Washington (long story) on June 26, 2012:
Thought I pass on some info for you concerning this. According to the blog from io9, many of the schools targeted for the voucher system are using a curriculum known as A.C.E. Curriculum....it contains textbooks and programs promoting fundemental christian concepts such as creationism. One of the textbooks, according to this blog stated that the Loch Ness Monster existed and was an example of why evolution didn't occur and that the concept brought up by young-earth creationist was correct.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 26, 2012:
Deborah, thank you again for contributing to this discussion. Ideally parents should take an interest in their children's education and be involved with their children's school, and we are in agreement there.
Giving children vouchers to use at private schools doesn't guarantee uninvolved parents will change their ways. Unlikely that will happen actually.
You are correct in that everyone needs to know the basics; reading, writing, and arithmetic, etc. Better educated parents usually means kids have more advantages as they are growing up and hopefully becoming responsible contributing members of society. Our pubic schools are failing badly at these basics.
I hope the problems of the public schools aren't simply being moved to the private schools along with the vouchers. I'm thinking it would make more sense to identify and solve the problems that are preventing our public schools from accomplishing what should be their purpose -- educating children.
I grew up in a union state and favor unions in general, but I know not all unions are good. Protecting people who are not qualified -- not because they lack the certification or time in training -- but because they may have a bad attitude or simply not be talented or skilled in conveying information to children, is not helpful to the purpose of educating children.
There seems to be no system that can't be corrupted if people are inclined to do that. It's unfortunate that everything must be regulated to death and even then some people will find a way to abuse that system.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 25, 2012:
Thank you Deborah, for adding new information to my hub about the DC School System. Your efforts are appreciated! :)
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 24, 2012:
Thank you Shyron for your input. I would expect people who send their children to private school on their own dollar have been getting tax deductions for at least a portion of their expenses all along. Wealthy people will not be included in the Louisiana voucher system this year, but next year they will be. Starting next fall 2013, sources I read said that everyone enrolled in Louisiana public schools would be receiving vouchers.
Private schools need not accept voucher students, but if they do, they can decide how many they are willing to accept, and of course as already stated, they will be particular about which students they accept. Not everyone who applies will be accepted for the reason that there are only so many seats available in the first place.
Deborah M Jones from Illinois on June 23, 2012:
As you can attest as a homeschooling parent, if there is no parent involvement in any school type, the student will slip through the cracks or fail. Volunteering as a parent to self educate your child or provide help at a school adds to reducing the cost to educate a student. Throwing money at a system where nobody cares and parents involvement may be nothing, creates a cycle of poverty because these mediocre educated students cannot provide for their children later on. At least one needs to learn to read and master basic math.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 23, 2012:
Deborah, thank you again for commenting on my hub. I'm so glad your experience with private school has been good and continues to meet your needs.
You must surly realize that all private schools are not like the one your children attend. In fact, I have given examples of private schools in Louisiana that leave a lot to be desired. I am talking in generalities here. I'm sure not all private schools are awful just as I know there are good public school teachers out there, it's just that there aren't enough good private schools or good public school teachers to go around.
What about the children who can't find a school close to their homes and whose parents can't afford to transport them to the one on the other side of town that will accept their voucher? Most of the very exclusive private schools have already stated that they have only 1 or 2 available seats while there are dozens if not hundreds of children who want them.
The schools with no libraries, no playgrounds, and not enough certified teachers have the most openings. I'm sure there are some good private schools in Louisiana, but I fear there won't be enough of that kind of school there to accommodate all the children who hope to attend them.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 22, 2012:
Yes, there are lots of things to consider with this voucher system and I'm not sure everyone has thought it all through. I'll be surprised if any of the 'exclusive' private schools except any voucher kids. Thank you again, Shyron, for taking the time to comment.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 21, 2012:
Thank you suzette for reading and commenting on my hub.
Our public school system is failing our children at a horrific rate. I have no formal qualifications or teaching certificate, but my daughter, now 23, can read, write, do basic math, read a map, is all but a nerd on the computer/cell phone, and far exceeds the majority of high school grads who can do none of these things. She is now my walking credential, proof that I can do better than the public school system.
Agree that we need to maintain the public school system and work to improve it rather than scrap it. We need to do this for the sake of underprivileged children and for our country's future.
Deborah M Jones from Illinois on June 20, 2012:
Looks like the Obama administration is liking vouchers! Although, they prefer to call vouchers scholarships!
Deal reached on D.C. school voucher program
House Speaker John A. Boehner and Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman reach an agreement with the Obama administration on a program that provides low-income D.C. students with money to attend private schools.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 19, 2012:
Deborah M. Jones: Thank you for your comments. Hope you realize that vouchers do not always resolve the many issues that are wrong in a public school. They may even make matters worse. Competition can be corrupt too.
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on June 18, 2012:
If wealthy people are paying for their children to go to a private, how are they going to feel knowing that poor and middle class children are getting a voucher to go to the same school? Are they going to want a voucher too?
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 18, 2012:
You make some really good points here and I'm not sure the proponents of school vouchers have thought them all through. Thank you BWD316 for your comments and for adding so much to this conversation!
Deborah M Jones from Illinois on June 17, 2012:
"If you dislike not having a direct say in who teaches in public schools, wait until you see what you have to say about anything at all that happens in a private school. "
This statement is simply not true. I have 5 children who attend private schools. All parents are on the School board, they can recommend teachers, Principals,& staff ect... In fact they encourage parent involvement and look down on no involvement by parents. It's more like if you are not a volunteering parent they would rather have another family that's able to volunteer and contribute to the school as a whole. Absolutely nothing wrong with that, it also keeps costs down. Unions and staffers instead of parent volunteers make cost rise and it's not necessary in most instances. Parents have a vested interest, unions & staffers do not!
Shyron E Shenko from Texas on June 17, 2012:
Patty: I think you should read the article in New Orleans Metro Education News, in which it details Bobby Jindal's voucher system.
Do you really believe that Jindal's voucher system is to improve the education system? LOL
You can't repeat a mistake, if you do, it is not a mistake, it is a choice.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 17, 2012:
Patty: First let me thank you for reading and commenting on my hub/article. I appreciate all of my readers, even if they disagree with what I have written.
Washington Post, Reuters, Huffington Post, Shreveport Times, and the Drudge Report, are all reporting that Louisiana is giving vouchers to parents so that they can use those vouchers to enroll their children in private schools. They are all credible news sources and they are where I got my information about Louisiana privatizing their public school system. Are you saying that ALL of their reports are false?
Are you saying that Louisiana is in fact NOT going to a voucher system starting this fall? You said my article/hub was false. For it to be false it would have to be an untruth about Louisiana going to a voucher system and gradually privatizing their education system. If you are saying that, you are mistaken.
After you accused me of writing a falsehood regarding Louisiana schools going to a voucher system, you then went on to defend the voucher system. Why are you defending a system you say does not and will not exist?
If you are taking issue with my opinion, that is another matter. You are certainly entitled to disagree with my opinion if that is your wish. We are all entitled to our opinions here in the U.S. whether anyone agrees with us or not. That means you get to have your opinion, I get to have mine, and my readers get to have theirs, whether any of us agree with each other or not.
One thing I have learned is that people who make personal attacks rather than backing their ideas and beliefs with facts, is that they do it out of a lack of information. If people have the necessary information to support their position on an issue, they generally use that information. When people do not have the information and facts to back their position on an issue, they often resort to personal attacks, or what some people might call character attacks on the person(s) they disagree with.
As I stated, private schools in Louisiana, particularly the more prestigious and exclusive private schools, will be cherry picking students with vouchers. They have a limited number of seats available and they will be picky about who sits in them.
Not every child will be accepted into a private school of their choice, or their parent’s choice. Very few children with vouchers will get their first choice. Some will end up in schools like the ones I described that have no library, no playground, and few qualified teachers, leaving them to sit in front of a television watching DVDs all day. This is your idea of an improvement on public school?
In addition to a child not getting their first choice, or even their second or third choices in some cases, when it comes to which private school they will attend, there is the issue of transportation.
If your child will only be accepted at a private school that is a long distance from where you live, how will you get your child to that school? Will your child ride a city bus? Take a taxi? Catch a ride with a neighbor? Maybe you have the means yourself to transport your child a long distance, but many poor people do not have that means. How will their child get to that school that was essentially not their choice at all, because none of the schools they preferred would accept their child?
If you dislike not having a direct say in who teaches in public schools, wait until you see what you have to say about anything at all that happens in a private school. The reason they are private is so that they do not have to abide by all of the same regulations that public schools must abide by. If you don’t like their decisions, they will almost certainly tell you that there are other private schools that may better meet your needs and they will recommend you apply to them.
You say I will no longer have the power to control you and others like you? When did I ever have any power over you? I live in Texas and I don’t even have power over anyone here! You go on and on about MY SCHOOLS – what schools are you talking about?
Are you suggesting that I personally own the public school system in this country? Or even just in Louisiana? Make my schools competitive? What schools are those? Are you aware of schools that I own or control that I myself am not aware of having?
My readers are not deceived. They are intelligent people who know a lot about our school system without my having to tell them anything. Many of them have children in public school.
I am not deceived either. My daughter was homeschooled because my husband and I both felt I could do a better job myself than the public school system in place at that time. Private school did not seem like a better solution than public school, and so I took the responsibility of educating our daughter myself. My daughter finished school a long time ago. She is now 23 years old.
My stake in the public school system is minimal at this time. Since I homeschooled my daughter, the public school system has not had much influence on my life since I graduated from high school many years ago. I have to say that the public schools I attended as a young person were ideal compared to the modern public school system in place today.
I was only reporting that Louisiana is going to a privatized system that includes vouchers paid for by taxpayers that will take money out of the public school system. It is a simple matter to verify that information -- takes about 30 seconds or less on the Internet.
Dumbing you down? In the end we all choose for ourselves whether or not we are going to be educated and informed. We choose for ourselves whether or not we are going to encourage our children to do their best with their educational opportunities, and also be informed. I have not dumbed you down. If you are in that state, it is the choice you made for yourself.
As an adult you can pull yourself out of an uninformed, uneducated condition anytime you choose. Get informed. There are many ways you can do that at no expense to yourself, so if you do not like your current status, whatever you believe it to be, get busy and change it.
While I have had, and continue to have the benefit of an excellent education, it is my own efforts at learning, discovering, and staying informed that make the difference. We all finish school at some point and it is then that we choose to continue to learn and be informed by our own efforts – or to stagnate.
The public school system is not perfect and no one I know believes it is. It is my opinion that the children who succeed in public school do so more in spite of that system than because of it. I understand people who want something better for their children. I wanted more for my own daughter and I got busy and provided that something at my own expense while still paying school tax to the local school district.
Bad as the public school system is in many parts of the country, it may be better than what you will get when politicians eventually decide they no longer want to fund school vouchers just like they no longer want to fund Social Security and Medicare. With Medicare and Social Security, politicians are gradually cutting benefits and raising the age at which people can qualify for benefits. Once the school voucher system is in place, watch and see if politicians don’t nickel and dime that program to death as well.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 16, 2012:
Cristopher Price: Thank you for reading and commenting on my hub. I don't call it trickle down, I call it golden showers. ;)
I'm not clear if you were speaking to Louisianans in general, or to me in your last sentence, but I am a Yankee living in Texas. However, I expect vouchers will be in a lot more states than they already are in over the next couple of years, especially if Obama loses.
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 14, 2012:
kj force: Don't worry. I had a pretty good idea even though I do not speak French. ;) I know a few words of Spanish, not even enough to make a sentence, otherwise English is it. Agree this is a situation to keep out eyes on. I really believe it will be an issue in other states in the next year or two also. Thank you again for commenting!
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 13, 2012:
Dean Traylor: Thank you for your comment. Very much appreciate your taking the time to stop by. Yes, my concern is that over time there will be less and less money in the voucher and then it will be hard for poor and middleclass alike to pay for the education of their children. Also, there is no guarantee any particular private school will accept a student and that student may end up going to an even worse school than the public school they were so unhappy with.
Deborah M Jones from Illinois on June 13, 2012:
I'm all for vouchers, however each children should receive the voucher in their name. Parents could then determine where their child's money is spent for educational purposes. It could be public, private or homeschool. Competition is needed to keep learning alive otherwise bad things surface. Read these two related articles to understand what does happen:
1)Is the Illinois Department of Education capable of standing up for it's children?
2)Teacher Unions and their Dirty Little Secrets
C E Clark (author) from North Texas on June 13, 2012:
Angela, you are unfortunately right. With social promotion, kids can get through school without learning much of anything. Can't tell you how many coworkers I've had who could not read, write, speak correct English even though they were born and grew up in this country, and couldn't do basic addition/subtraction. That seems to be the norm nowadays. I think public school has become a big day-care center to keep kids entertained until their parents come back to take over again.
I, too, hope the voucher system in LA will not make things worse instead of better. Like I said, there's no requirement for private schools to accept any particular student, so instead of things getting better for some parents who seem to have high expectations, things could get much worse.
Suzette Walker from Taos, NM on June 12, 2012:
This is the beginning of the end of democracy in this country. Once our public education system goes so goes democracy. We will definitely become a country of have and have nots. Education will no longer be the way out of the poverty cycle for inner city children. How is this voucher type of education choice when children are put in a lottery for the school to choose? What kind of a choice is that?
This is why the Republicans didn't rush to help those in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina. Let the waters wash away half the city and the people and start a new education program from scratch the Republican way. Wow! Did the Republicans take advantage of Hurricane Katrina or what? How sad for the entire nation, not just Louisiana.
I know you have said you home schooled your daughter. Besides being her mother, what are your qualifications for teaching her from K-12. I certainly am not qualified to teach in any areas except Spanish and English. I would not take on any other subject areas K-12 as I am not qualified to teach in other areas. I do wonder and am concerned about the quality of education home schoolers receive from parents? Are you at least a teacher? While I know you will not agree with my next statement here it is anyway - Home Schooling has also helped to destroy public education in this country. I'm sure you disagreed with how your local public schools were teaching your child and I certainly don't know the specifics of your child's situation; however, it is not just the voucher system and private schools that are destroying public education in the U.S. it is also Home Schooling. I wish I could agree with the fact that you home schooled your child for 12 years, but I really feel that properly certified, licensed and properly trained teachers are what is best for children.