My interest in social and cultural politics extends from my interest in genealogy and history, and how they project into today's Societies.
Why I Feel Compelled to Speak Out
To start with I’m not a Muslim, and neither am I religious; in fact I’m a humanitarian atheist.
Therefore I have no personal interest in this topic, other than I feel compelled to stand up and voice my distain of the immoral injustice against Muslims; mainly by Americans misconceptions due to their blind and misplaced faith in what they believe.
I know there are Americans who have visited or lived in Europe who know better, and I also know there are Americans who are open minded, and don’t have the same prejudices; but they are few and far between.
Every American I’ve conversed with in recent years always without fail, and with conviction (when our conversation drifts onto European issues) makes unfounded claims about Muslims in Europe which I know are untrue.
Typically the unfounded claims frequently made by ill-informed Americans include:-
- Britain is becoming a Muslim State because the Muslim population has increased 10 fold in recent years and it’s now the second largest religion in the UK.
- The majority of the Muslim refugee immigrants are terrorist.
- Muslims don’t want to integrate into British Society.
- The Muslim faith is evil.
- Sharia Courts are supreme over British law, and is incompatible with it.
- There are no go zones in many cities across Britain and France, where even the police don’t enter, including Birmingham and in London.
- Muslim men rape western European women because it’s part of their culture.
I shall cover each of these points separately so as to put the record straight. First though, to put it into perspective, I feel it’s important to say something about me and the British Culture I live in; especially in respect to religion in Britain.
As regards my British Roots:-
- It’s appears, from genealogy research I and my son did, that both my maternal and paternal ancestors settled in England from Normandy, France during or shortly after the Norman Conquest of 1066.
- My mother’s parents were Salvationists and her grandparents on her mother’s side Quakers.
- Most of my maternal ancestors over the last couple of centuries have predominantly been middle class; and before that (for as far back as records go) tended to be wealthy landowning farmers.
Living in Harmony
Based on the 2011 census (which is the most reliable data source) the ethnic groups in the UK are as follows:-
Ethnic Groups in the UK
Gypsies (including travellers and Irish travellers)
Asians or British born Asian (including, Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi and Chinese)
Black or British born Black
Other Ethnic Groups
Again, based on the 2011 census, the religious sects’ in the UK people belong to (regardless to whether they follow their faith or not) is as shown in the table below:
Religion in UK: Regardless of Personal Beliefs
No religion (includes atheists and agnostics)
Religion not stated
However, when people in the UK are asked if they are religious, and if so what faith they follow (rather than what religious group they belong), then the results are more akin to what I see in Britain:-
Peoples' Beliefs in UK Regardless of Their Religion
Church of England
Christian (no denomination)
Christian (other denominations)
One thing Americans need to understand about Britain is that religion isn’t such a big deal here as it is in America.
The Biggest religion in the UK is the Church of England (C of E); and as most Brits will agree, you don’t have to be religious to be C of E.
In fact, statistics regularly show that only 6% of the British population actually go to church.
Religion in the UK
My Experience of Interacting With People of Different Faiths
Although over the years I’ve worked closely with people of all faiths, as an atheist religion hasn’t been an issue. In fact, at times it’s been fascinating listening to other people’s religious views; and quite enjoyable engaging in conversations with them about their religion.
Below are some of my experiences of working and socialising with people of different faiths in the UK.
Muslim Joking About Ramadan
One memory that springs to mind (which I found quite amusing) was of a Muslim work colleague. One winter he was humorously telling us about Ramadan. He explained how Muslims have to fast during daylight hours for a specified period during the year. That particular year Ramadan fell right in the middle of winter, when there’s only 8 hours of daylight in Britain i.e. from 8am until 4pm.
Therefore he was quite elated about it because it meant:-
- He could get up as normal for work, and have a good breakfast before dawn, and
- Then have a good meal once he got home (after dusk).
For him, as the daylight hours in Britain are so short during the winter, it meant he could fast in accordance with Ramadan, while at the same time eating quite normally, except for missing out on his lunch.
An Atheist Hindu
Another memory is of a Hindu friend (an immigrant from India) who told me that he’s an atheist and how he found it amusing to see his wife every morning get out the prayer mat to pray.
As a family, they made a conscious decision not to indoctrinate their daughter into the Hindu faith, but to show her what the faith was about (taking her to India to see the churches and the culture); and then let her make her own mind up (in her own time) as to whether she wanted to be Christian, Hindu or not religious.
Twice a Triangle
One of the offices I worked in (for over five years) was organised into teams of three. The team I worked in consisted of a Christian an agnostic, and me (an atheist); so any discussion on religion tended to be one-sided e.g. the agnostic and atheist vs the Christian.
When the agnostic took early retirement his replacement was a Jehovah Witness. Our conversations on religion were still one-sided, although this time (interestingly) it was me (the atheist) and my Christian work colleague against the Jehovah Witness. One bone of contention being the Jehovah Witness’s firm conviction in creationism, and total denial of the existence of dinosaurs millions of years ago; because in his view the earth was created in 7 days in 4004BC. I found it quite amusing as I didn’t have to say a word; because my Christian friend argued hammer and tooth, with the Jehovah Witness, in defence of evolution.
However, in spite of the sensitivity of the subject, none of the arguments the three of us had with each other ever got bitter. Also, during those years I learnt a lot about the mind-set of Jehovah’s Witnesses from a new perspective. Not all of it was bad as one would tend to believe if one had an informed opinion based just solely on what they read or heard; like the ill-informed opinion I had before I got to know my Jehovah Witness work colleague personally.
Having worked with a Jehovah Witness, and learning more about their social family (from source), I do now have a little more respect for them; albeit I still don’t agree with a lot of their social family values.
My Closest Friend is a Priest
Although most of my friends are atheists, Adge (The Rev'd. Fr Adrian Impett) of ‘The Ecumenical Society of St. Augustine of Canterbury’ is my closest friend.
Obviously, as he’s a Roman Catholic Priest and I am an atheist, we disagree on religion; and he struggles to understand science. However other than that we do have a lot in common, and are the greatest of friends who spend a lot of time together, often helping each other with various DIY projects. In fact, we see so much of him that my wife jokingly refers to him as her adopted son (even though he’s actually older than her).
I’m also on very good terms with his Archbishop (The Most Rev'd. Martyn Douglas), who I usually see socially when I’m visiting Adge in Portsmouth. Adge used to live in Bristol (just around the corner from us) but recently moved to Portsmouth to be closer to his Archbishop; but we have stayed in close contact and visit each regularly.
When I visit Adge in Portsmouth, we usually nip over to Southampton for a social evening with his Archbishop. During those visits the Archbishop is often keen to discuss religion and atheism with me; not to belittle each other or try to score points, but to try to better understand each other’s viewpoint. However, unlike my Adge (my Priest friend) the Archbishop is very converse with science (and very intelligent) so our conversations can get very intellectual.
What really impressed me about the Archbishop is that once he knew of my interest in Quantum physics he made a point of reading up on the subject (in earnest); so that we could talk the same language. In fact, I was very surprised that not only did he quickly gain a basic understanding of the subject but also that he grasped the main concepts of Quantum physics far quicker than most people.
When Adge lived in Bristol he worked for a while for the ‘Octagon’ (a multi-faith chaplaincy) on campus of UWE (The University of the West of England), Bristol. At the time, my wife also worked there (as Admin Support staff); it’s where they met, and from where subsequently he became very close family friend.
My Wife’s Work Experience
Shortly after graduating from university, as a mature student with a BA Business Administration Hons degree, my wife (although an agnostic) applied for an Admin support job with the Chaplaincy on the university campus.
Being an agnostic, my wife was a little worried about taking the Admin job in the Chaplaincy.
However, her boss (the senior Chaplin) reassured her by clearly stating that:-
“You don’t have to be religious to work here.”
In fact, once the senior Chaplin knew me (socially through my wife), although she knew I was an atheist, she asked if I was willing to produce a promotional video of the work they did. She asked because she’d seen a couple of multimedia productions I’d done in my job, and knew what I could do; and I was more than happy to oblige (voluntary of course).
I thoroughly enjoyed making the video for the Chaplaincy; and in the process I learnt a lot more about the various religious faiths in Britain, including Islam.
One of the prime objectives of the Chaplaincy, which was the theme of the promotional video I made) is:-
- To promote a multi-faith community within the Bristol area
With their main daily responsibility on campus being:-
- To give help, advise and give moral support to any university students seeking it; regardless to the student's religious faith (or lack of it).
Part of the work my wife did in the Chaplaincy was to liaison with the other religious establishments (of all religions) within the Bristol area, and to build up a network of contacts. This groundwork then made it possible to co-ordinate local multi-faith social projects e.g. to help the poor and needy.
Part of the commitment from the other faiths (on a voluntary basis) was for senior member to be available at the Chaplaincy during the day to help:-
- With the counselling work the Chaplaincy do for the students; and
- Ensure someone from each religion is available when a student specifically requests to speak privately with someone from his or her own faith; rather than just with whoever happened to be on duty at the time.
The promo video I made was of an evening presentation in the Chaplaincy whereby a senior member from each religious faith would give their own presentation to:-
- Introduce themselves
- Briefly explain a little about their faith
- Highlight common ground between their faith and other religions, and
- What their church could do to strengthen links in the multi-faith community to work together on common social projects.
Rabbi and Islamic Preacher Hand in Hand
The part of the presentation that really fascinated me was when a Rabbi and a Muslim Preacher got on stage together and gave a joint presentations; highlight all the similarities and common ground between Christianity and Islam.
I feel my rather lengthy introduction was important because most Americans who speak to me insinuate that I’m blind to the issues in Europe; even though I live here.
However, having given my intro about myself and my experiences on the subject in the UK I shall now give my response to each of the main points listed at the start of this article.
Islam 2nd Largest Religion in the UK
And the Significant Increase in the Muslim Population
Yes the Muslim population has increased from about half a percent to about 5% in a 15 years period since the 2001 Census; mainly due to refugee immigration. However, this is still a very small percentage of the population; especially when compared with the USA where 17% of the population is Hispanic.
Also, the tide of refugees into Europe is stemming, and slowly returning to normal manageable levels. Refugees into and across Europe is nothing new, it’s been a common occurrence for thousands of years. Today’s crisis is nothing compared to the refugee crisis in worn-torn Europe during and immediately after the 2nd world war when an estimated 60 million Europeans became displaced refugees; with Britain being one of the European countries taking the brunt of it.
Yes Islam is the second largest religion in the UK, and it’s the third largest religion in the USA, but at less than 5% it’s not a significant percentage. To put this into perspective, the biggest group of people in the UK are those who are not religious; 50.7% of the population, of which about half are atheists.
Besides, in a free and democratic society everyone should have the right to their own personal religious belief, or lack thereof.
Misled Belief of Muslim Refugee Immigrants Being Terrorists?
There are two points that needs clarification:-
Firstly, Americans I’ve spoken with firmly believe all refugee immigrants are Muslims.
In fact not everyone who lives in the Middle East is a Muslim, for example:-
- 11.2 of the Syrian population are Christians and 0.5% belongs to other (non-Islamic) faiths.
- This has been reflected in the refugees from the worn-torn countries in the Middle East where over 10% are Christians, and about 9% are Kurds.
Secondly, time and time again (once each terrorist act has been fully investigated by the security forces) it’s transpired that the people performing these terrorist acts are not the refugees themselves, but home grown terrorists born and raised in Europe; especially in Britain.
Well over 99.9% of the refugees are ordinary human beings who just want to have an ordinary life, just like everybody else; they are not beasts with evil intent.
The vast bulk of terrorists are home grown individuals who become radicalised over the Internet; quite often the mentality being little different to those individuals in America who go on a shooting spree in a school.
This is why it’s now a criminal offence in the UK to view radical terrorist related material on the Internet, and why the authorities work hard to shut down such sources.
It’s also why the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 give the security services e.g. MI5, MI6 and GCHQ such wide sweeping powers. In testimonial to those powers; as of March 2017 the UK security services had foiled 13 planned terror attacks (by home grown terrorists) in the previous 12 months.
Misled Belief That Muslims Don’t Integrate Into British Society
This is an unshackle myth. It doesn’t matter what I say, as far as Americans I speak with are concerned Muslims can’t and will not integrate into Western Society because their faith and culture is incompatible with ours.
My experience from working and socialising with Muslims, and from what I see living in the UK, is that Muslims can and do integrate into society very effectively. They may have some family values that are more akin to the Victorian era, and they don’t drink; other than that:-
- Muslims have more in common with any other British citizen than some of the Christian Sects e.g. Jehovah Witnesses, and
- They integrate into modern society far more than some American religious sects seem to e.g. the Amish and Mormon religious communities.
However, because of inherent prejudices against Muslims, as there was against black’s decades ago, it can make it difficult for a Muslim family to settle into a community; very much a ‘stranger in a stranger land’. As well as their need to learn the British culture and values, they also need help and support while they settle into a new life; and they need to be made to feel welcomed rather than alienated.
Muslims Identify Their Britishness
The Muslim Council of Britain (MCB), established in 1997, has done a wonderful job in Britain; and it is a respected organisation who works closely with the Government on many issues relating to the British Muslim community.
The MCB is an umbrella organisation set up by all factions of the Muslim community, including the Sunni and Shia; who in their homeland often fight each other in civil wars.
The main difference between the Sunni and Shia (which has been the cause of so many wars in the Middle East) is who should have been the righteous religious leader after the death of Muhammad in 632 AD.
For Red Dwarf fans, it reminds me very much of series 1, episode 4, when the ‘Cat People’ go to war over whether the original ‘cat bishop’ hat was red or blue.
However, the MCB’s main aims are to:-
- Increase an understanding of Islam to help eradicate prejudices caused by ignorance, and
- To help Muslims integrate into British Society and Culture; while at the same time allowing them to follow their chosen faith as an individual.
That being said, not all Muslims follow Islam, some convert to Christianity; just as some Christians convert to Islam.
Of course, if Muslims in Britain was such a big problem that Americans seem to think, then I very much doubt London would have elected a Muslim Mayor in their May 2016 election. For information; the London Mayor is the second most important and prestigious political leader in British politics, second to only the Prime Minister in Parliament.
Sadiq Khan (Muslim) Elected New Mayor of London 2016
Insinuations of the Muslim Faith Being Evil
This is a classic case where Americans who have spoken to me having no idea what Islam is. They base their conclusions entirely on the actions of a twisted interpretation of Islam by a small minority of Muslims.
If people took the time to learn what Islam really is about, then they would quickly realise it’s a religion that preaches peace and harmony, just like the New Testament in the Bible; in fact the roots of Islam are based on the Bible. The very word Islam is derived from the Arabic word Salema, meaning ‘peace’.
For those of you who don’t know the history and origin of Islam, it’s based on the Christian Bibles, but instead of viewing the ‘Messiah’ as the ‘Saviour’ (as Christians do), Muslims see the Messiah as just another Prophet, with Muhammad (who died in 632 AD) as being the latest Prophet to preach moral peaceful values to the world.
The bad elements of the Muslim faith, which only a small minority of Muslims latch onto in their twisted minds, actually stem from the ‘Old Bible’ e.g. ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth’ etc. It’s no more excessive or different to the way some unscrupulous Christians interpret parts of the bible to justify their own immoral deeds.
The Christian Crusades in the medieval period when Europe invaded the Middle East in the name of ‘Religion’, and many of the early missionaries where Europeans was intent to indoctrinate the rest of the world with Christianity, I think shows that we are no different to what we now accuse the Muslims of doing.
In other words “Let him who is without sin cast the first stone”. In this respect, we should first look at the antiquated, and unjust, preaching’s in parts of the bible (especially the Old Testament) that some Christian sects incorporated into their religions throughout history before we start judging the morals of the Muslim faith.
Islam, Christianity and Judaism: One God
Misled Belief Sharia Courts Are Supreme Over British Law
And That Sharia Law is Incompatible with British Culture
Many Americans speaking to me are under the misapprehension (from misleading reports in the papers, and misinformation on the Internet) that Sharia Courts exist in the UK, which not only overrides the British legal system, but also a belief that Sharia Law is incompatible with British Culture.
- Firstly, Sharia Courts do not exist in the UK. The law of the land applies equally to Muslims as it does to everyone else, and
- Secondly, any aspect of Sharia Law which conflicts with British Law is illegal in the UK.
However, there are a number of Sharia Councils in the UK, which are used to settle civil matters within the Muslim community through arbitration; no different in function to other arbitrary services e.g. marriage guidance counselling, and the role of ACAS (Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service) who’s role is to settle workplace dispute without the need and expense of dragging the issues through the civil courts.
The important thing to remember is that Sharia Councils in the UK can only deal with civil matters; and any agreement that contravenes British Law is illegal.
Also (like everybody else) every Muslim in Britain has the same legal rights to go through the British civil courts if they so wish; rather than settle their dispute at a Sharia Council. Any aggrieved party, following a ruling by a Sharia Council, still has the legal right to use the British Courts.
Inside A Sharia Divorce Court in the UK
Fake News of No Go Zones in UK and France
Fox News started the myth when in 2014 they ran a week long campaign of Fake News stories against Britain and Europe claiming not only that there are ‘No Go Zones’ in London but also ‘No Go Zones’ in other cities across Britain and France. They specifically targeted Birmingham as being populated entirely by Muslims, and that it was a ‘no go’ zone where no non-Muslim dare to enter.
Fox News did afterwards apologise, but not until the damage had been done.
I live in Bristol, which is just a 90 minutes’ drive from Birmingham, and two hours from London. Before I took early retirement I used to travel to Birmingham weekly on business (because we have one of offices there). Sometimes I would stay overnight, and occasionally for the week. So I know from personal experience that Birmingham is neither a Muslim enclave as stated by Fox News, and that it’s not a no go zone; it’s an ordinary city just like any other city.
Also, as we have friends and relatives in London, I and my family frequently spend time there; so we know London personally, and know there are no such things as ‘No Go Zones’.
This story surfaced again in late 2015 when Donald Trump claimed there are ‘No Go Zones’ in parts of London that even the police wouldn’t enter; his statement infuriated the British people. Not only did the London Mayor, London Chief of Police and the British Prime Minster protest most strongly at such lies, but also within days of his false statement, a petition was signed by over half a million British people asking the Government to ban Donald Trump from entering the UK.
Shortly after that an American corresponding with me was arrogant in his belief that the false claim made by Trump was true. He insisted on its authenticity because of an American newspaper citing a reputable British newspaper as the source for quoting the London Police Chief making the statement. I followed the paper trail and what I discovered, after I finally tracked down the original newspaper articles, was that:-
- The American newspaper had not only badly misquoted text from British newspaper, but had also taken the quote in the original story completely out of context.
The original story in the British newspaper had nothing to do with ‘no go’ zones, and the quote in the American newspaper was a ‘misquote’ e.g. saying the opposite to what was originally printed.
Fox News Apologizes For No-Go Zone "Error"
Muslim Men Have No Respect for European Women
Putting it Into Perspective
There is an issue here that has to be resolved, but it is blown out of all proportions in the popular press.
Not all Muslim men are disrespectful, most are descent law abiding citizens. However, attitudes towards women in today’s Muslim culture are undeniably more akin to early Victorian Cultural values e.g. a time when women where second class citizens, and didn’t have the freedoms and rights of today.
Even as recently as the 1950s the cultural attitudes in Britain (and presumably America) tended to be that the woman’s place was in the home. It was taken for granted that when she married a woman would spend her time in the kitchen, doing all the housework and looking after the kids while her husband was out at work. Then making sure there was a cooked meal on the table when her husband got home from work.
It wasn’t until Women’s Lib in the 1970s that attitudes of the woman being the housewife and the husband the breadwinner started to rapidly change.
Also, during the Victorian and Edwardian period descent women were expected to keep their body covered in public with long dresses that went from the neckline to the feet, and bonnets. Only loose women in that period showed their legs. These are values that these days’ westerners criticize in the dress code of Muslim women, claiming it makes them subservient to men. That maybe the case, but in Britain and the rest of Europe (and in Turkey and some Muslim countries) it’s not compulsory. Muslim women here do have the freedom to choose how they dress; and predominantly they choose to dress modestly; albeit some do dress more like European women.
It’s against this back drop that many Muslim men who are not accustomed to the dress culture in Europe can see women who (in their eyes) dress loosely are loose women; as was perceived by many Victorian men in 19th century Britain.
This culture class is a problem that European countries are well aware of, and consequently each country has its own programme to educate refugee men on the edicts of European culture; and the acceptable boundaries of behaviour. Obviously (only being human) the message will sink home for some quicker than others; and there is bound to be a period of readjustment for Muslim men who find themselves in a land with different cultural values.
However, Muslims who already live in Europe know the cultural values, and respect them; as do new arrivals, as they settle into a new life in Europe.
So it’s not the insurmountable problem many Americans seem to think it is.
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Arthur Russ (author) from England on August 07, 2019:
Firstly, as I clearly stated, in the UK Sharia law does not, and cannot replace the 'Law of the Land'.
Secondly, what has Britian being a Monarchy got to do with it [re: Yes Minister & Yes Prime Minister]?
If you think these two TV shows are relevant to the USA, then fine; but I was working for the Government in the 70s so I know first hand what the relationship between the British Government and its civil service was then e.g. my involvement in the Oil Crisis in 1973 caused by OPEC; and I know what the relationship was like when I retired a few years ago.
Yes Governments come and go, while the civil service is always there to serve and advise whichever Government is in 'Power'; but I can assure you from personal experience that in the UK, when a new Government comes into Office, they have their 'Policies' and whatever those policies are the civil service has to deliver on them.
Brad on August 06, 2019:
The difference is the Sharia law replaces other laws, while the Jews, and the Christians no longer are the public laws, at least not in America.
These British shows were real in the 70s, and even more real today.
Arthur when a country still has a monarch, don't lecture me.
Raja Adnan Afzal from Rawalpindi, Pakistan on August 06, 2019:
Arthur Russ (author) from England on August 06, 2019:
Yep Raja, I fully agree with you.
Arthur Russ (author) from England on August 06, 2019:
Bradmaster, your opening paragraphs demonstrates your stereotype American prejudices against Muslims quite clearly:-
Religious Laws: The Christians have ‘Canon Law’, Islamic law is ‘Sharia’ and the Jews have ‘Halakha’. In the UK both Sharia courts and Halakha courts are used to resolve civil disputes; in particular, Jewish courts have been in daily use in Britain for centuries.
The important point, which Americans don’t seem grasp, is that in the UK such laws are for civil disputes ONLY (Arbitrary Service), functioning no differently to the role of ACAS (Advisory, Conciliation and Arbitration Service) in settling disputes between employers and employees in the UK.
None of these courts in the UK, whether they are Sharia, Halakha or ACAS, can handle Criminal Cases, and none of them precludes the rights of citizens from seeking redress through the ‘Civil Courts’ in the first instance or on Appeal.
Furthermore, none of the decisions in these courts, whether they are Sharia, Halakha or ACAS, are legally binding under British Law as British Law takes precedence, which means that either side can subsequently appeal through the British courts; albeit the British Courts ‘On Appeal’ will take the earlier decision made by the Sharia, Halakha or ACAS courts into consideration, provided that decision was lawful under British Law.
You gripe about three Democrats in the USA being Muslims further demonstrates how much more prejudice the USA is against Muslims than the UK. In the UK not only do we have Sadiq Khan (a Muslim) as the elected Mayor of London (the most influential political post in the UK outside of Parliament); but Boris Johnson (Prime Minister) has appointed two Muslims in two of the top three most senior posts in his Cabinet.
In the UK, 2nd to the Prime Minister is the Chancellor of the Exchequer, with the Senior Minister for the Foreign Office being the 3rd most important Government Post; and the Home Office being the 4th.
Boris Johnson appointed Sajid Javid MP (a Muslim) as Chancellor of the Exchequer, and Priti Patel MP (a Muslim) as Senior Minister for the Home Office. Considering that the present Government (under Boris Johnson) is the most extreme right-wing Government we’ve had in modern history in the UK then it should speak volumes that even hard right-wing Conservatives in the UK don’t have the fears of Muslims that the Americans have.
[b]British Comedy TV Political Satires[/b]
As regards ‘Yes Minister’ and ‘Yes Prime Minster’; I know from speaking with other Americans, that Americans love these two British TV Series more than the Brits, and Americans believe in them as reflecting reality.
However, I was a civil servant all my working life and know from personal inside experience that they don’t reflect reality of British Politics. If you want to watch British Comedy TV Political Satires that do closely reflect the realities of British Politics I would suggest you watch ‘The Thick of It’ (BBC) and ‘The New Statesman’ (ITV) TV Series.
The other British Comedies you mention: Yes I agree; they are good comedies. I even like Men Behaving Badly (although it’s not to everyone’s taste).
Yep, I agree that far too many people in the UK are sheep and blindly follow their Party, and all too often the Party does put ‘Party Politics’ over and above the interests of the country and the people.
However, when it comes to BREXIT that norm has fallen apart by the seams. When it comes to BREXIT the country (citizens) are not divided by Party Lines, but are divided by whether they are pro or anti-Brexit; which has caused splits and divisions in both major Parties; particularly the Conservative Party when neither Theresa May nor Boris Johnson can count on the loyalty of their Party Members (Conservative MPs).
Over the past two years 42 senior Conservative Government Ministers have resigned from Theresa May’s Cabinet over Brexit; specifically so that they could sit on the back benches in Parliament to vote against their own Government on Brexit:-
• 2017: 1 Conservative Government Minister resigned from the Cabinet to fight Theresa May over Brexit.
• 2018: 19 Conservative Government Ministers (including Boris Johnson) resigned from the Cabinet to fight Theresa May over Brexit.
• 2019: 16 Conservative Government Ministers resigned from the Cabinet to fight Theresa May over Brexit.
• 2019: 6 Conservative Government Ministers (including the previous Chancellor of the Exchequer) resigned from the Cabinet to fight Boris Johnson over Brexit.
And, earlier this year 3 Conservative MPs resigned from the Conservative Party to join the Opposition Parties in their attempt to try to stop Brexit.
Also, currently, 8 Conservative MPs are in secret talks with the Liberal Democrats in a plot to try to stop Brexit. The speculation is that these 8 Conservative MPs are either planning to defect to the Liberal Democrats, or more likely, plotting to vote against their own Government in a ‘Vote of No Confidence’ which would cause the Government to collapse. If the Government losses a ‘Vote of No Confidence’ in Parliament in September then Parliament has 10 days form a New Government e.g. A coalition Government led by Labour, or a National Government made up of MPs from all political parties (including Conservative MPs) who are opposed to BREXIT. Failing that, then it has to be another General Election.
With regards to your last paragraph; the battle between Protestants and Catholics, which has raged in Northern Ireland for over 300 years, does continue to this day. And thanks to the Peace Treaty signed in 1998 (after 30 years of civil war) there is an uneasy peace between the two communities; but that peace is threatened by BREXIT.
bradmaster on August 05, 2019:
Sorry, I didn't reply to your comment 2 years ago.
"The only point in your comments where we totally disagree is your view that Muslims are an infestation that are intent on making the world Islamic. If you actually read the whole of my article above in full, and watched all the videos in the article, you will see why I totally disagree with you on this point."
The 2019 update shows that you are wrong in your statement above.
One only has to look at the Squad in the house of representatives. Three are Muslims and AOC is acting like the other three.
I won't make a case for their attempt to take over Capitalism with Socialism. Read their story yourself, and see how they will eventually want the US having Sharia Law. There are a few local places in the US where they are trying slowly to make that change.
As far as Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister, I disagree that they are not reality. I submit that your reality is the reason that they show how the system really works. I found it also applicable to American government and politics.
How they show the Civil Service also applies to the US. As they say, the politicians come and go, but they stay. And in that longevity they are the ones making the real decisions. The government in England doesn't have to wait for an election to change the politicians and that is something the democrats in the US have been trying to do for the last two and half years through impeachment of the president.
When you look at the actions of government in England and the US you see the wisdom of Yes Minister and Yes Prime Minister, and not your version of reality. People in both countries are sheep following their party, and their party puts party over country and the people.
As for fools and horses, of course I watched it. I also watched Nicholas Lyndhurst, when he played in Goodnight Sweetheart. I am a big fan of British Comedies. Keeping up Appearances, Barbara, and many less known Like Butterflies. I like Doc Martin before he was Doc Martin in Men Behaving Badly. The list goes on.
I imagine that you don't support BREXIT?
The problem with the Muslims in government is that they have a religious bias against the Christian founding of the US. While I believe that the average Muslim is not a terrorist, I believe that a faction of radicals are terrorists wanting to change the world to what they believe. It is not like the Catholic Church didn't do that when they divided the world Why did pope Alexander VI divide the world between Spain and Portugal?
Pope Alexander didn't want two catholic countries fighting each other. Portugal and Spain were fighting over the New World.
Their was also the Crusades. The battle continues to day without an actual defined war.
Raja Adnan Afzal from Rawalpindi, Pakistan on August 05, 2019:
Exactly, this is the thing to bring into knowledge of every individual about the wrong prevailing belief about the Muslims. And not only Muslims any sect, race, color and all who are being blamed on wrong notions should be condemned and an awareness among masses should be made. Humans have to love Humans. War has nothing to do with either love or peace. :-)
Arthur Russ (author) from England on August 05, 2019:
Good to hear from you Raja, and thanks for your feedback, which is greatly appreciated. Yes I fully agree with you, in every culture there's a wide spectrum of views and beliefs (good and bad), and there are always a few rotten apples in any Society. But as you said you can't blame the many for the ill doings of the few.
Raja Adnan Afzal from Rawalpindi, Pakistan on August 04, 2019:
I really agree with your Article. Mostly, the image of Muslims is misinterpreted all over the world. Well, I am Muslim but that does not mean that I am biased. But here the important point is that the religion Islam when defined by many of the novices is accepted by the majority. But when the majority Muslims are denying the fact of being cruel and barbarians then most of the listeners do no pay attention. So, yes Muslims are not what the world has adopted the belief about Islam or Muslims.
This issue must be cleared as to blame some one on the mistake of some one who has nothing to do with the first person is foolishness and lacking judgement.
Arthur Russ (author) from England on June 11, 2017:
Thanks Alan, I hope you enjoyed your visit to England and France. I agree; gay rights is another area of society that receives more than its fair share of ignorance and prejudice. Gay Pride has a strong presence in Bristol too. Some of our close friends are gay and my son (a professional photographer), although straight himself does a lot of work for the gay community (and gay pride) because they like his style of photography.
jonnycomelately on June 11, 2017:
Arthur, I have only just now come across this article of yours. Thank you for such a clear-headed, honest, intelligent and sensitive presentation.
I am spending a brief time back in the UK, after having sampled the culture of south eastern France, currently in Blackpool. My visit has coinsided with the Gay Pride weekend. Another area of society that receives more than a fair share of ignorance and prejudice.
Sadly, there has been very little feedback to date. It's like people are afraid to speak out.
I intend to share this link with several people. Its philosophy might give birth to much wider tolerance and understanding.
Arthur Russ (author) from England on April 25, 2017:
Thanks for your feedback Jo, I know there are Americans (like yourself) who are open minded, didn’t vote for Trump and don’t watch Fox News; which is why (on such a sensitive subject) I made some reference to this in my opening paragraphs e.g. “
“I also know there are Americans who are open minded, and don’t have the same prejudices”.
Although I appreciate I might have made that statement clearer and more prominent at the start of the article.
I also appreciate that the type of American I’m targeting with this article are less likely to read it as good honest citizens like yourself who have respect for others. From my experience the sort of American’s I’m referring to in this article are no more likely to read it as they listen to me when I try to defend myself against their abuse of me and my country when I’m in debate with them on social media. Invariably they just dismiss my views because they consider themselves to know better.
Their arrogance aimed against me for being British, and for supporting the civil rights of Muslims in Britain has been so strong in the past year or two (since the refugee crisis in Europe) that I felt compelled to no longer stay silent, but to stand up and speak out against the injustices.
I hope I haven’t offended you; and if I have I do apologise.
Jo Miller from Tennessee on April 25, 2017:
I'm an American. I'm religious. I think you're talking to the wrong Americans. We don't all watch Fox News. Most of us didn't even vote for Donald Trump.
Arthur Russ (author) from England on April 20, 2017:
Thanks for your views bradmaster, it’s good to hear from you.
Interesting you should mention ‘Yes Minister’ and ‘Yes Prime Minster’, they along with other old British TV comedy series like ‘Bread’ on BBC in the late 1980s was only based on the British Public ‘perception’ and are not in line with reality. If you want to watch British TV comedies that actually reflect reality in Britain, then you can’t go far wrong with the popular classic TV Series like ‘Only Fools and Horses’ from 1981 until 2003 or ‘The Liver Birds’ from the 1970s.
Yep, I fully agree with you about the violent conflicts in the UK caused by England trying to impose its rule over its neighbouring countries of Ireland and Scotland. The most violent period in modern times, since the Irish civil war in the 1920s which resulted in southern Ireland breaking away from British rule and becoming an independent country, being the 30 years of the IRA (Irish Republican Army) terrorist campaign in Northern Ireland from the early 1970s, until its end in 1998 with the signing of a peace agreement between the political wing of the IRA and the British Government.
A terrorist campaign I remember well as although the IRA concentrated their terrorism in Northern Ireland they did periodically also target mainland England. 3,700 people died during those 30 years of violence in Northern Ireland; with the IRA being responsible for 1,823 of the deaths.
What irked the British people during the 30 years of IRA terrorist campaign was that a large bulk of their funding, and the supply of illegal weapons came from sympathising American’s who didn’t know better e.g. they saw the IRA as freedom fighters rather than terrorists.
One minor but related point which I find quite interesting is Cornwall being granted ‘Minority Status’ in 2014; significant because the ‘status’ opens up the opportunity for Cornwall to become self-governing like Scotland and Wales, if the will of the people is there e.g. if campaigners can muster enough support from the people to seek a referendum; but that looks a long way off as the vast majority of Cornish people are content to remain under British rule.
The reason Cornwall has recently been granted ‘Minority Status’, following a campaign by pressure groups, is because historically it’s the only part of England that was never conquered by the Romans, Anglo Saxons or Normans, and therefore their roots remain firmly in the Celtic culture; as this video (made just a few years earlier) demonstrates: -
Kernow (Cornwall): https://youtu.be/-nN9I_7djgo
Yep, Muslims (Sunni against Shia) have been fighting each other for centuries because of their disagreement over who should have become their religious leader following the death of Mohammad 632 AD. I did cover this in my article above (if you read it); but to put it in perspective there have been far more Christian wars, for far longer, across Europe than there have been Muslim wars in the Middle East.
Granted, it only takes one bad apple to cause mayhem, but that’s no reason to tar a whole community with the same brush; the vast majority of Muslims (if you took the time to get to know them) are just ordinary law abiding citizens with the same aspirations as any Westerner e.g. to have a job to earn a living, to get married and have a family, and to have all the trappings and comforts of modern society. There are just as many, if not more, white Christians with evil intent than there are Muslims.
The only point in your comments where we totally disagree is your view that Muslims are an infestation that are intent on making the world Islamic. If you actually read the whole of my article above in full, and watched all the videos in the article, you will see why I totally disagree with you on this point.
I apologies if I appear to be criticizing America, it’s not my intent, but it’s difficult not to be critical when so many American’s (like yourself) make bold yet untrue statements about Britain through ignorance e.g. it’s difficult to really know what a culture is like unless you actually live there.
In this respect, I confess I don’t understand many aspects of the American culture e.g. attitudes on healthcare, religion and gun violence; but I am trying to better understand these differences with the British culture through the forums. Likewise, I don’t expect American’s to fully understand the British culture, unless they’ve lived here for a while, but unfortunately many Americans I’ve spoken with think they understand British life better than the British people themselves do.
Brad on April 19, 2017:
First of all, I like a lot about England, but politics isn't one of them.
I agree with the TV view of yes, minister and yes prime minister. And it also applies to the US.
The UK had its terrorists because Ireland and Scotland don't like being run by England.
Now the UK and Europe along with many countries in the world have been infested, yes, infested by Muslims. Muslims don't want to assimilate into a country they want that country to be part of Islam.
It doesn't take many Muslim Terrorists to cause terror, death, injury, destruction and fear. There were only 19 Muslim Terrorists involved in the successful attack on the US during 911.
The Muslims themselves have been fighting and killing each other for centuries. Ironically, their blood feud is because their Prophet of God, Mohammad, didn't foresee a deadly problem because he didn't select who would take his place when he died.
Don't spend your time criticizing America, when your country has some serious problems of their own. When they get sorted out, then, well still don't criticize America. Its biggest problem is that we have been turned into liberals like England.