Darlie Routier: Over Twenty Years on Death Row

Updated on December 25, 2018
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Polly is far from politically correct when it comes to justice. Truth means more to her than making fans by saying what they want to hear!

These three children were Darlie's only claim to financial gain as anyone knows. Worth much more to her alive than dead if that was her purpose.
These three children were Darlie's only claim to financial gain as anyone knows. Worth much more to her alive than dead if that was her purpose. | Source

Who Was Darlie Routier, and What Did She Do?

Darlie Routier (pronounced "rue-tier") is an American woman who lived in Rowlett, Texas, and was accused and convicted of murdering her five-year-old son, Damon. Her six-year-old, Devon, also died that night; however, she was not tried for his murder. The text from her indictment reads: "the Defendant, on or about the 6th day of June, A. D., 1996, in the County of Dallas, and said State did unlawfully, then and there, intentionally and knowingly cause the death of Damon Christian Routier, an individual, hereinafter called the deceased, by stabbing said Damon Christian Routier with a knife."

Darlie had no history of mental illness. She was not abusive to her sons. And her youngest son, seven-month-old Drake, and husband, Darin, were unharmed. There seems to be conflicting evidence, such as the police suggesting that Darlie's wounds were self-inflicted and Darlie claiming that a man attacked her and her sons.

Some say there is more to this trial than the official investigation showed.

Let's take a look.

The Timeline and the Individuals Involved

Timeline

  • June 6th 1996 2:31 AM: Darlie makes a frantic phone call to the police, alleging that someone broke into the home and stabbed her and her two children.
  • June 18th 1996: Darlie is arrested.
  • February 1997: The trial is moved from Dallas to Kerrsville, a small and conservative town with a high murder-conviction rate.
  • February 4th 1997: Darlie is convicted of murdering Damon and sentenced to death by lethal injection.
  • May 2003: Darlie appeals, and the appeal is denied.
  • 2011: Darlie and Darin's divorce is finalized.

Individuals Involved

  • Darlie Routier: The woman the case centers around. Accused of and convicted of killing her five-year-old son, Damon.
  • Darin Routier: Darlie's husband from 1988-2011. He upholds Darlie's innocence to this day.
  • Damon Routier: Darlie and Darin's five-year-old son. Was found DOA.
  • Devon Routier: Darlie and Darin's six-year-old son. Died on the way to the hospital.
  • Drake Routier: Darlie and Darin's youngest son. He was seven months old at the time of the murders.
  • Greg Davis: One of the lead prosecutors.
  • Toby Shook: One of the lead prosecutors.
  • Tom Bevel: A blood spatter expert who testified for the defense. He has since been involved in a sizable number of false convictions due, at least in part, to his erroneous "expert" testimony.
  • Doug Parks: Darlie's initial court-appointed attorney. He was eventually replaced by the famous defense attorney Doug Mulder.
  • Stephen Cooper: An attorney who has been representing Darlie for the last twenty or so years.
  • Doug Mulder: Darlie Routier's attorney and was a bit of a celebrity attorney in Texas.
  • Jimmy Patterson: A Rowlett, Texas, police officer investigating the case.
  • James Cron: A forensic consultant who was asked by the Rowlett police to help investigate the Routier crime scene. You can read his testimony.
  • Terry Laber: A forensic specialist who was primed by the defense to refute Tom Bevel's claims. For whatever reason, the defense never called him.

Before the Murders

Darlie moved to Lubbock as a teenager with her mom and stepdad. She met Darin in a Western Sizzlin' where her mother worked and where Darin was a cook. He was 17, and she was 15. They married four years later.

After moving to the Dallas area, he began his own small company called Testnec that tested electronic components. When he became a success in the early nineties, they bought a nice house and spent thousands getting it just how they wanted. Darin bought a thirty-foot cabin cruiser and a 1982 Jaguar. They went a little wild with their money, and Darlie bought new boobs and flashy jewelry.

The neighbors never saw them as wild though. Four of her friends attested that she was an excellent mother and a kind, warm, fun-loving person. She often had the neighborhood kids over and baked cookies for them. Those kids stood up for her against the accusation that she killed her sons.

All of a sudden, their business went downhill, and they allegedly got behind on their bills. They supposedly owed $10,000 in back taxes and $12,000 on credit cards, which isn't an especially noteworthy amount of debt for a newly married couple who just bought a house.

There was a very brief entry in Darlie's diary that was about suicide. My doctor once asked me if I had ever thought about suicide, and my answer was, "Hasn't everyone?" He laughed because it was true. Maybe to different extents, but if you know the world, you have thought about it. If you have something you just think you can't face, you may think about suicide. So I consider that pretty normal and nothing to even consider in anyone's sanity.

Thirty is coming up, and to some in their twenties, that looks old! It is nothing serious, but a little something as I say—and combined with all else going on with her—she probably was suffering from slight depression, which seems normal everything considered. And that does not a murderer make.

The Night of the Murders

The timeline for the night of the murders went something like this:

Darlie called 911 around 2:30 AM, frantically trying to relay that someone had broken in, stabbed the boys, and attacked her. She claimed to have woken up to someone being on top of her. Darin and their youngest son were upstairs during the time of the attack, and they were unharmed. The police arrive about 3:41 seconds into the 911 phone call.

Devon was pronounced DOA, and Damon—barely alive—died on the way to the hospital.

Damon and Devon Routier
Damon and Devon Routier | Source

Let's Examine the Evidence

Did Darlie Routier Do It or Not?

That's a really great question. While I have my beliefs, let's go through each hotly contended aspect of the trial so that you can come to your own conclusions, and then I'll tell you have I feel.

Inexperienced Police Force

Several of the documentaries note that the Rowlett police department was inexperienced at investigating murder cases because they simply didn't have many murders occur in their precinct. For instance, you can actually hear the police officers arrive at around 3 min and 48 seconds into the call. Wadell, one of the responding officers, didn’t sign off on the 911 call. You always say “I’m 10-7. I’m on the call.” Wadell does not do this. You can hear someone speaking to her, but it's in the background and muffled. She may be answering Wadell’s questions. He claims that he told her to help her son, but Darlie didn’t get the towels like he said she should. Darin claims he told Wadell to give Damon CPR, and Wadell did not. Why didn’t the trained police officer help?

The Rowlett police department had never had a case like this, and there was a lot of public pressure to solve this case—especially because it came on the heels of the Susan Smith case, which we'll discuss later on.

Terry Laber, one of the defense's expert witnesses (even though he was never called to the stand), claims that James Cron made his determinations about the crime scene after being there for only twenty minutes. You'll recall that Cron was one of the civilian investigators that the Rowlett police department brought in to help investigate the crime scene.

Evidence Collection

Evidence collection isn't a foolproof objective task. When evidence is collected, investigators decide what to look for and where. If they think someone is guilty and has committed a crime a certain way, they will likely look for evidence to corroborate that theory rather than taking all of the scene's evidence. For instance, if they thought that someone cut the window screen at the Routier house, they'd look for evidence that supports that theory. Dan Simon, a professor of law and psychology at USC, explains the bias inherent in evidence collection in The Last Defense.

James Cron, by his own admission, said that he came to the conclusion that an outsider did not commit this crime. How could he have decided that so quickly? His proclamation that this was an inside job undoubtedly influenced investigators—perhaps to the point where crucial evidence was overlooked or ignored.

Simon, the law professor, claims that "Sometimes peoples’ beliefs or conclusions or hypotheses drive their perception of the evidence." In other words, this all could have been subconscious bias. It isn't necessarily an active choice in some ways.

Additionally, the traditional chain of command was not followed in this case, meaning that there was ample opportunity for cross contamination.

And it seems worth mentioning that some facts were simply glossed over or misrepresented. For instance, the prosecution argued that someone didn't break into the house because there was no evidence—besides the slashed window screen—of a break in. According to them, there were no footprints leading to the window, and the dust on the windowsill was not disturbed. The prosecution didn't mention the the windowsill was nine to ten inches off the ground, so you wouldn't have to touch the sill to get in. And that the driveway was made of cement, so of course there wouldn't be prints!

Character Assassination/Trial by Media

The prosecution made Darlie out to seem like a superficial, vapid, vain woman who cared more about money and looks than her children. However, her friends, family, and neighbors thought very differently of her. They thought she was an exquisitely loving mother and an excellent neighbor. Julie Clark, one of her neighbors, said that Darlie always had popsicles for the kids and was just a fun, loving person. Richard Smith, another one of her attorneys, said that "Character evidence is supposed to be completely inadmissible because it allows the state to obtain a conviction without actually proving the crime itself, and it was the centerpiece of this trial."

Dan Simon, a USC professor of psychology and law, said that “Persuasion can occur in the form of evidence… but when we don't have good, rational ways to persuade one another, we appeal to emotion, innuendo, and stereotypes. They’re not the most principled ways to prove a legal case, but these are all very effective ways to persuade someone.” And this exactly what the prosecution did to Darlie: they asked about her spending habits, her breast implants, and about her social status. Kathy Cruz who wrote Dateline: Purgatory about the Routier case argues that "It wasn’t just character judgements that were used against Darlie—it was Texas character judgements.” You can be a good mother and want to be beautiful. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Richard Mosty, one of Darlie's defense attorneys, summarizes the prosecution's strategy quite effectively: “When you pile on all those things—from an evidentiary standpoint, they don’t add up to anything. But that’s not the purpose. The purpose is to create prejudice against her. So when what facts they have do come out, there’s already a tainted person in front of them.”

Questionable Tactics

The prosecution really went after Darlie as a person, rather than focusing on the facts of the case. They also showed the nurses, who gave testimony, photos of the butchered boys for no apparent reason. They boys were not treated by the nurses at Baylor. Dan Simon notes that “Exposing people to gory photos of butchered children is bound to have an effect on them. And research shows, by the way, that showing simulated jurors gory photos indeed increases their tendency to convict the person because it causes the unrecognized desire to find the culprit.” Jody Fitts, one of the Baylor nurses who treated Darlie, said that the prosecution didn't ask them any questions about the photos, nor did they treat the children—so there was really no reason to show the nurses the photos.

Blood Evidence

Glass in the Hallway: There was a call to explain how and why Darlie's blood was under broken glass, which Cron (a civilian investigator that Rowlett asked to help consult the investigation) claimed was evidence that Darlie didn't go back into the room after the glass fell because there were no cuts on her feet. However, when the inexperienced officers arrived on the scene, securing the scene wasn't the priority; saving the boys was. This means that the scene was in chaos; it's absolutely possible that the glass was knocked over during the tumult of trying to save the boys. At best, this evidence seems circumstantial. Barry Dickey, an audio expert interviewed by Forensic Files, claimed that you can tell by the audio quality that Darlie is frantically moving rooms.

Blood on the Shirt: Tom Bevel, a blood-stain expert who wrote Bloodstain Pattern Analysis, claimed that several small drops of blood on the back right shoulder of Darlie's nightshirt were indicative of excessive force that could only have been placed there by an extremely aggressive stabbing motion full of violence and hatred. He "proved" his theory by making exaggerated stabbing motions on a dummy and getting similar results. Bevel admits that he didn't take notes on how his experiment could be recreated. He says that he was instructed by Mr. Davis (the lead prosecutor) not to take notes. Laber and Bart Epstein, two forensic experts for the defense, claimed that Bevel's experiment that "proved" the blood on Darlie's shirt had to come from angrily stabbing someone was nonsense.

Bloody Footprints: Luminol revealed that some blood and bloody footprints had been cleaned up before the police got there. Darlie's blood footprints were found on top of these cleaned-up ones.

Bloody Knife Outline in the Living Room: There was bloody knife outline that Bevel claimed was likely made by someone who was profusely bleeding and holding a knife. To the prosecution, this suggested that Darlie was the one holding the knife, since her wounds would have been bleeding profusely. Darlie admits in the 911 phone call to having picked up the knife and potentially messed up the fingerprints.

Lack of Motive

Robbery doesn't seem to have been a motive because nothing appeared to have been taken from the scene of the crime. Insurance fraud also doesn't seem to have been a motive seeing as the boys' funerals cost more than their life insurance policies. They each had a 5K life insurance policy on them; the cost of the funeral was somewhere between 10-12K. You also don't have to prove motive in Texas.

Moving the Trial From Dallas to Kerrville

Doug Parks, Darlie's court-appointed attorney, made a mistake and requested that Darlie's trial be moved to Kerrville county instead of Dallas. Parks accidentally played into the prosecution's hands. Kerrville was notoriously conservative and has an disproportionately high murder-conviction rate. Recognizing his mistake, Parks asked for the trial to be moved back to Dallas county, but the motion was denied.

Came on the Heels of Susan Smith

Susan Smith is a woman from South Carolina who was accused of murdering her two children. She was convicted in 1995 of drowning her two sons. The case was a national sensation. Smith initially claimed that an African American man had carjacked the family and driven off with her two sons in tow. This was later proved false. She had a history of mental illness, depression, and attempted suicide. Skip Holland, interviewed on The Last Defense, argues that “Everyone was thinking that this [the Routier trial] was the Dallas version of that [the Susan Smith case].” So the public's perception (including the potential jurors') was undoubtedly colored by this crime.

Defensive Wounds

The prosecution claimed that Darlie's wounds were self-inflicted and superficial. One of her wounds was a slash to the throat that came with 2cm of her carotid artery. Your carotid artery is one of your major blood vessels that supplies blood to your brain. According to at least one study, you don't typically stab yourself in the neck if you're trying to fake wounds. An in-depth study with graphic photos demonstrates some of the differences between self-inflicted and assault- or accident-inflicted wounds. It seems unlikely that Darlie's wounds were self-inflicted.

The Diary Entry

Darlie wrote in her diary about contemplating suicide. In The Last Defense, Greg Davis says, “Mothers don’t usually contemplate suicide, either.” And this simply isn't true. Postpartum depression is a well-documented and researched—and legitimate—thing that affects many women. Cheryl Meyer, a psychologist and author who wrote Mothers Who Kill, says that postpartum depression is pretty common, and it doesn't necessarily translate into murdering your children. She goes on to say that “I don’t see anything in there about harming the children or taking them out of the future equation.”

The Bloody Sock

There was a bloody sock found about two streets away. The sock did have Damon and Darin's blood on it, and the sock was one of Darin's from the utility room. That means that the sock was present at the time of the murders; however, the prosecution never explained how the sock got there (or how Darlie would have had the time to run down the alley, plant the sock, and get back to the house before the police arrived). Why would an intruder take a sock but leave the murder weapon? Why would someone leave the sock in plain sight?

Single Fiberglass Fiber

Investigators found a single fiberglass fiber on the bread knife that was in the knife block. The only fiberglass source that they could find in the vicinity was the window screen that was cut. In some ways, this suggests that the knife may have been used to cut the screen, implicating the Routiers. However, another expert notes that single fibers are notoriously mobile. It could have come from anywhere and just settled there, including the fact that it could have migrated from the window screen after it had been cut and gone into the knife block. If investigators dusted the screen first and then dusted the knives, it's possible that a single fiber could have been transferred from the screen to the knife. This is why alleging things based on a single fiber is tenuous at best.

Inconsistent Testimony

Darlie was treated at Baylor hospital, and the nurses who treated her gave inconsistent testimony. In their notes, the nurses note that Darlie is sobbing and asking about her children. On the stand, several of the nurses called her "whiney," which is a very specific word choice. When questioned, the nurses said:

Nurse Diane Hollon: “We were supposed to meet at 12:00 noon in Toby’s room.”
Doug Mulder: “And who’s ‘we’?”
Hollon: “Everybody, all the Baylor people.”

This is called "preparing the witness," and the ethics of it are a bit questionable. There's a pretty thin line between preparing and coaching. It seems possible, given the specific use of language that wasn't noted anywhere in the original nursing notes, that they may have been coached to say these things or use this language. Why would medical professionals call someone who had just been viciously attacked "whiney"?

Birthday Party Footage

The birthday party film that was viewed by the jury showed Darlie, family, and friends celebrating his birthday near her son's grave. It did not show the hours previous to that scene where Darlie sobbed and grieved over the graves with her husband Darin. Why was the entire footage not shown? In The Last Defense, a 2018 docu-series about the Routier murders, juror number eight claimed that Darlie's actions were "disgusting" and that "they wouldn't have liked this." How does she know? She isn't the expert on these children. The prosecutor also claimed to be "sickened" by her behavior. But trying to be normal in the face of overwhelming tragedy doesn't seem that unrealistic. Dr. Gregory Davis says that there are essentially as many manifestations of grief as there are human beings (The Last Defense). Darin also said that "We chose the song ‘Gansta’s Paradise’ for their funeral because it was their favorite song. We really didn’t think twice about whether or not it was appropriate—it was still their favorite song… that’s how we wanted to honor them."

Unidentified Fingerprints

A bloody fingerprint taken from her living room coffee table was demonstrated by no less than three experts to not belong to anyone living in her home. Two more fingerprints in the utility room and door leading to the garage were also shown to not belong to Darlie, anyone in the family, or anyone investigating the crime. Darlie thinks the murderer escaped the home after attacking her and her two sons. The court will not grant the evidential hearing necessary to investigate and evaluate this evidence.

Taken from the utility room door is a patent bloody fingerprint—this is the first one. Forensic fingerprint analyst Glenn Langenburg positively proved that the prints do not belong to Darlie. Robert Lohnes also claimed that the fingerprint did not belong to Darlie. Her exclusion indicates that an unknown third party not only deposited this print, but deposited it in blood on the night of the murders.

In addition, Langenburg currently is conducting a second examination of the bloody fingerprint on the utility room door to determine whether Darin Routier can also be excluded as the source of this print. If, as Darlie expects, Darin Routier is not the source of this print, Darlie definitively will have demonstrated that an unknown third party deposited two separate fingerprints, one of them in the victims' blood, while fleeing the scene on the night of the murders.

How Long Would it Take to Make all These Wounds?

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Were these wounds self inflicted?
Were these wounds self inflicted? | Source

How do you feel?

Do you think without a reasonable doubt that Darlie is guilty?

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Injuries Authentic?

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She was a genius if she planned this one. So real looking.  Did she do this?Or this?Why would she put a planned bruise here, I wonder?Seems like a slight turn would be a clearer picture, doesn't it?
She was a genius if she planned this one. So real looking.
She was a genius if she planned this one. So real looking.
Did she do this?
Did she do this?
Or this?
Or this?
Why would she put a planned bruise here, I wonder?
Why would she put a planned bruise here, I wonder?
Seems like a slight turn would be a clearer picture, doesn't it?
Seems like a slight turn would be a clearer picture, doesn't it?
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I Believe That Darlie Deserves a New Trial

It is impossible to believe how much trouble the legal system will go to to make things turn out the way they want. She lost everything that day. She lost two children to a vicious murder, and she cannot even get back her youngest son. The evidence presented against her was circumstantial at best.

My View of Her Changed As I Got More Evidence

When I saw Darlie dancing around her children's graves, spraying silly string, laughing, and acting so happy I thought, "of course, she killed those babies." I was filled with hate, seeing her acting this way and those babies of hers, murdered and in the ground beneath her.

I can't say that I accept this behavior even now. People are different, and I know they are. It still doesn't make them guilty of murder. I really felt so guilty the more I listened, read, and learned. I am not the only one with a change of mind.

With Darlie, what I did not see was the same as what others did not see: proof. How long will our rotten, dirty judicial system keep getting by with having their say—right or wrong—and hiding information to make trials go the way they want? Why do they continually do this? What I and the jury did not see was Darlie's horrible cut and bruised black arms and hands—defensive wounds, without a doubt.

I have read many true crime books, and it seems like obscuring information and twisting it is almost a common thing. The law wants to solve a crime so quickly that some idiot decides how it happened and then makes sure it looks that way.

Here's Why I Began to Doubt This Case

There are many things missing in this case.

  • The screen that was mis-reported as being cut from the inside.
  • Possible improper read-back of testimony to the jury by the court reporter.
  • The pictures of Darlie's cuts and bruises on her arms which were taken when she was hospitalized the night of the murders.
  • The prosecution's refusal to provide access to any evidence in their custody in the case.
  • A lack of sufficient DNA testing.
  • Some writers who have interviewed Darlie Routier have decided to help her fight to get a new trial. Since reporting their opinions on her situation, they report that their ability to visit her has been blocked or made so inconvenient that little can be accomplished.
  • During the trial investigators invoked their Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination during cross examination, preventing the defense from rebutting their testimony. Why? This alone would be reason for disbelief and a new trial!

Video Resources, Sources, and Further Information

If you are looking for documentaries and further resources, here are some helpful videos.

  • Forensic Files Season 4 Episode 1 explores the Routier case in a more or less even-handed way, but ultimately seems to believe that she did murder her children.
  • The Last Defense is a docu-series, and the first four episodes explore the Routier case in meticulous detail.
  • Ashleigh Banfield of CNN discusses how she was there for the original trial, thought Darlie had to be guilty, and then saw a show that cast serious doubt on her guilt.
  • Darlie's case was also investigated by a show called The Investigators.
  • 20/20 ran a segment in 1999 and updated it in 2000 called "Her Own Flesh and Blood" that is a strong investigation of what was missed and glossed over.
  • Barbara Davis, the author of Precious Angels (of which proceeds now go to Darlie's defense), walks through what she argues are 14 myths of the trial. She, as I, went from guilty to not guilty opinion. The idea now is ludicrous that with all Darlie's wounds she could run that distance to dispose of a sock nor can it fit the time frame of her son's death that she did her own wounding after returning from such.

© 2010 Pollyannalana

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  • Pollyannalana profile imageAUTHOR

    Pollyannalana 

    3 days ago from US

    Thanks Paula. Justin (below) has made us aware of this and we are so thrilled (I know I am) but thank you. I had not seen this. Clarifies and increases my happiness about it all.

    Poor dear Darlie. I am almost as afraid for her to get out as stay in. I hope someone she can trust will be there for her and she does not share any of her retributions rewards with ones that helped put and keep her there!

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    Pollyannalana 

    3 days ago from US

    Well that is your right Jo. If ever Darlie gets out I am sure she will say she had her suspicions, but how does one fight on death row with no one to turn to but those who only use you?

    I won't ever turn my back on her, but as I say, to each his own.

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    Paula 

    4 days ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    polly... I think this will interest you....& a lot of others

    https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/vanessa-...

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    Jo Douglas 

    4 days ago from Canada

    Hi Polly, I wanted you to know that I am going to write my last article on Darlie and the slaughter of her boys. For over 20 years now I have defended that girl but I am sorry to say I no longer feel that way.

    Darlie knew that intruder was Darin. Darlie had the chance to help police and investigators get Darin and she chose to protect him believing she was going to get off.

    I had written a lot of articles and the one question that always slapped me in the face was why would Darlie continue to protect Darin? 'She knew, she knew the whole time it was Darin and for 23 years she kept believing that his lies and her mothers deception were going to get her off death row. For as many years as I have supported Darlie, I have fought Bryan St John on this but one thing he got right was this was not a crime done by an intruder. In my opinion any mother, any parent any person who protects, supports and defends the murderer of a child should pay the same price as the person who did the crime.

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    Pollyannalana 

    4 days ago from US

    Irina, if you read down the comments just a little way you will see where Justin tells us this has been taken over by someone that hopefully will finally be some help to Darlie.

    You feel as many of us do, so frustrated this could have happened in the first place and then to be so long with no one seeming to be able to help her! We all wait for a good word and hope it will not be long coming.

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    Pollyannalana 

    4 days ago from US

    Ravena, I sure agree with that!!

    Thanks for sharing your view with us!

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    Irina 

    5 days ago from Las Vegas

    Great Article Polly! Thank you for writing it!

    I am just flabbergasted., After watching the 20/20 documentary I've just been so unsettled in my spirit, that how can a couple of untrained, unprofessional and inexperienced so called " police officers or dectectives " Especially, "Greg Davis: One of the lead prosecutors." get away with falsely accusing this poor woman of a hainiess crime SHE DID NOT COMMIT! I JUST FEEL IT IN MY SPIRIT.. SHE IS 100% INNOCENT.

    In 43 years of my life I have never felt compelled to ever research or write on any of the reality crime shows I've watched, but this one, I don't know.. what happened? I'm so disturbed in my spirit for this poor lady, that I want to help her. Not sure how?? Maybe we can start a GoFundMe Account for her, to help towards her defense.

    You are right, she has no one, but us strangers whom God has nudged our spirits on her behalf.I'm definitely praying for her and that God brings light and justice to this situation.

    Once Darlie is exonerated, "Greg Davis: One of the lead prosecutors" should SPEND 21 YEARS IN PRISON HIMSELF FOR FALSELY ACCUSING AN INNOCENT PERSON AND TAKING HER LIFE AWAY FROM HER, especially after having her children murdered!!!

    All because they wanted to be so quick at pointing fingers at someone?? I AM ANGRY FOR HER! I cannot stand INJUSTICE! This is completely INJUSTICE!

    EVERY ONE OF THOSE LAZY AND INCOMPETENT, officers and prosecutors THAT WORKED THE CASE AND DIDN'T DUE THEIR DUE DILIGENCE SHOULD BE IMPRISONED. Then people like them, will think TWICE about taking their jobs a little more seriously!!!

    This needs to become a NEW LAW!

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    Angela 

    6 days ago from Paris

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    Ravena Roberts 

    9 days ago

    I just heard her story. I believe she is innocent. I have a hard time understanding how she is sitting on death row and Casey Anthony was found innocent.

  • Pollyannalana profile imageAUTHOR

    Pollyannalana 

    11 days ago from US

    Justin - Just speaking of the email I received weeks ago and the name you was sure was mine? Never heard of whoever it was.

  • Pollyannalana profile imageAUTHOR

    Pollyannalana 

    11 days ago from US

    Jo, I know your feelings for Darlie are so much like mine and whether I agree with all your ideas or not I know they are all with Darlie's defense in mind. I was happy to help you as have had others help me.

    I have been very unpopular with many at Hub pages with my personal ideas, even separate from Darlie. But I don't mind, I am true to myself and I believe you are too.

    I don't know how much longer I will be writing here and as you can see I have deleted nearly all, but I have had such fun writing here. It is a wonderful place to write.

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    JustinCase976 

    2 weeks ago

    Sorry Polly, you lost me. What name do you think I have wrong?

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    Jo Douglas 

    2 weeks ago from Canada

    Polly, I have you to thank for teaching me how to even express my feelings. You sit back and say nothing, but I know who you are and what you have brought to Hubpages. I wanted to write an article and you took me step by step on how to express myself. You trusted and believed in me when I told you about all the fake profiles on your article. I am sorry that you have to defend me. I love what you have done for Darlie, and I will never compare myself to your writings. You are a wonderful lady, I hope we can get justice for Darlie as we have both fought for.

  • Pollyannalana profile imageAUTHOR

    Pollyannalana 

    2 weeks ago from US

    Justin, you have the name wrong so I couldn't respond. Sorry. Just have to laugh and wonder though where you came up with that.

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    Pollyannalana 

    2 weeks ago from US

    Oh, Jo, I will be so happy to see someone on it as I know you will be. It is getting about as ridiculous as this never-ending collusion crap. How could anyone ever say there is not doubt? Then too, where is the reasoning unless she just flipped out and then she shouldn't have gotten death row as no one else would have. But I would never believe that. I just dread what it could mean for her getting out? I hope she gets counselling and advice now before she ever gets out.

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    Jo Douglas 

    3 weeks ago from Canada

    Polly, everything you have gone through and through the years you have stuck with this case. I am so glad you never let anyone rip you down or discourage you.

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    Jo Douglas 

    3 weeks ago from Canada

    Wow Polly, great job girl. I have no doubt that your article has brought so much truth to her case. This is great news. I can not say how happy I am to hear this

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    Pollyannalana 

    3 weeks ago from US

    Wow, sounds like these people do not take on something unless they are sure of the innocence. If Texas knows this too is it possible they will release her before all this becomes public knowledge?

    I just wish Darlie had the sense to distance herself from creepy Darin and even that family of hers.

    Would be nice if this investigation points right to Darin and he finally has to answer.

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    Pollyannalana 

    3 weeks ago from US

    Oh, thank you Justin! That is so great to know!

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    JustinCase976 

    6 weeks ago

    Vanessa Potkin of the New York Innocence Project signed up to take Darlie's case a couple of days ago

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    andrea kazar 

    7 weeks ago

    from canada. i watch video on her. investigation see facts . but shes not guilty. until today they have no firm evidence . she 20 years in jail. if they cant proof 100 proccent she should be free !!!!!!!no body is god let god deside what happens to her and god give her the third child she have the right to spend time whit her. if they hurt her all this people become murders they have no right to hold this woman any more time 20 years is inough. let her go free ther is no body is god . law or no law . plus the tumbstone for the kids is very interesting is god sending you a messige there? why the date everything happend include 3 6. about the births day after death ussaly the brain dont even reallize somebody is gone.for her those boys was a life. realyty of the boys death didnt register. after months most case people start to let go and the mind wake up that the person they love gone. read up on how the mind riact truh grief. the man say shes guilty eand want her in jail look at him and listen to him why he want her dead? sound like he enjoy her being jail . she suffer enough we are not god . no firm evidence let her go. she deserv freedome and time whit her mother and family. free her the people panishing her should be panisht for holding her in jail. i dont belive in death roll. we no god people when her time come she will go but is not here yet if u admit to stay and her death everybody will be the killer and her mother will and ken sue u all for killing her child.

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    Pollyannalana 

    2 months ago from US

    Yes, stunning one, it is very interesting isn't it? Even more so because no one even mentions it. There is only one way they could take that baby and that would be if he was in danger being with his father. I do honestly believe before this case was totally over, they saw their mistake, but they could not put their state out millions. Hopefully if it is ever solved they will be out even more millions and rightfully so.

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    Pollyannalana 

    2 months ago from US

    That is great news Jo, I sure hope they get attention if nothing more.

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    stunning 1 

    3 months ago

    No offense but your grasping at straws. A baby that age wouldn't have memory. Even if he was 4-5 . How bout lets find out why he was taken? I'm sorry but they don't take a baby for no reason! I've googled and there is no explanation. Tho Court records are public. So I wonder why? That's a start.

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    Jo Douglas 

    3 months ago from Canada

    I have heard from a few sources that some students from a university in Canada is taking her case apart and researching everything. I am not sure what will come of that, but students are studying her case. There is a reporter in the UK doing a documentary on her case and a 15 year old boy who grew up near there is coming out with a new documentary this summer. I do believe some things are happening but they are hush hush about the details.

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    Pollyannalana 

    3 months ago from US

    Me either and all these people supposedly fighting for Darlie, what is up with them? It just feels so hopeless sometimes. Poor sweet Darlie. How on earth does she take day after day, year after year, she can't have any real hope.

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    Jo Douglas 

    3 months ago from Canada

    Darlie Kee is definitely a mystery. There are a lot of things that she has done that do not make sense to me. Introducing Darlie to Darin when she was only 15, but she also allowed Darin to move into her home, even after Darlies arrest he continued to live there. There is something seriously wrong with that specially when it was suspected there was an affair between Dana and Darin. Not only that Darlie Kee and Dana got into a physical confrontation. Darlie Kee apparently bit her own daughter and police were charged and Darin broke up the fight just before the police arrived. That whole situation with Darlie Kee is completely messed up. I do agree we have done far more for Darlie than her own family. That is so sad DK still defends Darin I will never understand that.

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    Pollyannalana 

    3 months ago from US

    Don't quite understand that but I know Darlie's mother appeared to be helping Darlie, but how could she while defending Darin? If she were our daughter how much more would we have done? Actually I am not sure you and I, either, have not stood up and defended Darlie more than her own mother.

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    Jo Douglas 

    3 months ago from Canada

    Darlies mother did defend Darlie but she also did it to protect her son Darin. So long as his family guilted her out Darlie couldn't turn on their son. Darlie should have spoken up right from the start once she realized Darin had been coaching her.

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    Pollyannalana 

    3 months ago from US

    She also fiercely defended Darin....even took him into her home after the police took his baby from him...for what reason?

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    YOBEE 

    3 months ago

    Darin's mother completely defended Darlie. as matter of fact she thought Darlie hung the moon.

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    Pollyannalana 

    4 months ago from US

    No I wouldn't believe that to be true. Honestly I do think they realized they had framed the wrong person but could have been sued for millions and so that is why they took Darin's baby. No other way on earth they could have done that. They had him and he knew it and he put up no fuss and his parents guaranteed no harm would come to the baby. Of course Darin had no reason to hurt him, he had not witnessed anything and could not have told if he had.

    Wouldn't it be something if he could be hypnotized and taken back to that night? I bet he heard a lot!

    I bet his parents knew or highly suspected. Don't know how they could let Darlie take that blame. So many will confess one day, you can be sure. Doesn't help Darlie now but she can know there is a justice to be had. Just maybe not in this life.

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    Jo Douglas 

    4 months ago from Canada

    Pollyannalana I agree Polly, your article was honest and well written. The fact that you make many strong points regarding her injuries just makes them realize they can not continue misinforming the public forever. The lies surrounding this case have gone on for so many years. People have been fed that bull crap for so many years and it about time people like you and I and other are allowed to finally have a voice and start proving the facts. I do believe something is happening for her. I know Darin must realize if she does get a new trial they weil be talking a very close look at him. That is something that should have been done 22 years ago. We can always pray this will happen.

    I was heard that there is a clause in the court documents that prevents them from going after Darin, is this true? Do you know anything about that? I thought the law for murder never has a statue of limitation is that even possible.?

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    Pollyannalana 

    4 months ago from US

    Sorry Laura, I missed yours. You are certainly right. I hope we see something done while she has any youth at all left, This is so unjust. But who does she have really? That is what is so sad. It may appear she does but she does not have anyone. The only ones, like us who seem to care can do nothing but try to remind the world she is still there and she has millions who still believe in her innocence and want to see the true murderer brought to justice.

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    Pollyannalana 

    4 months ago from US

    Very surprising Jo that someone could put my article on Youtube, but fine by me. I cannot stand that man or I would listen to him but we all know what he is about so what is the point? If people can read the article without having to listen to him, it may help Darlie. Can't see it would hurt her. Everyone should look at it to say who had something to gain by this and look at the wounds on Darlie and say they really believe she did that to herself at all much less in the 10 minute time frame she would have to do it. The closer I looked at this case the more I knew Darlie did not do it, so let people take a close look instead of listening to nuts.

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    Pollyannalana 

    4 months ago from US

    Sorry to be so long, Paula.Holiday things!

    Yes well, you know, Darlie's mom even commented here at first and seemed to care but she did not like anyone blaming Darin and that seems to be the jest of it. She is on Darin's side and though she claims to still be after help for Darlie it is not enough to involve Darin.

    Supposedly Darin was dating Darlie's sister or at least had a flirtation (and she was in the home the day of this incident and I have heard an argument ensued with Darin taking her home). I have just heard these things so often I have to believe some of it but now I am told there was another girl with Darlie's sister's name but then again, people come in and say lots of things to cloud the real story. So who really knows about that.

    The one thing I do know is Darin was the one to benefit from these murders, Darlie's mainly, and perhaps his boys were just caught in the middle. I would think he regretted that but having him talk about blowing into his son's mouth and the air blowing out his chest and almost laughing about it (this was on some TV show and I saw it myself) I see him as one cold hearted person.

    Did you know they took this man's living son from him, Paula? How could they do that if they had nothing on him? Why would he let them unless they threaten him with something. Yes. his mother got him but still, this tells me something.

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    Jo Douglas 

    4 months ago from Canada

    Hi Polly, hope you had a wonderful Christmas and New years. Did you get my messages I sent you? I was wondering if you saw this video Bryan did on your article. I do not get what the hell his obsession is with trying to destroy this girls life. I am adding the link just so you can check it out for yourself. Very sad bunch indeed..

    I love your article and I come back to read it again now and then. Great job.

    I wont be offended if you decide not to post this message I understand if you don't want this link posted on your article.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNKe5wEQxlE

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    Laura Fey 

    4 months ago

    There has to be someone in this world, that can prove she should NOT. Be sitting on deathrow. Im praying someone will look at this case wide eyed. Justice has failed.

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    Paula 

    4 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    That documentary really got me all riled once again. Just when I think I've come to a personal acceptance.....something else comes to my attention. I keep meaning to research for every single book title and then going to my local library to ask them to gather all of them (they will send out to other libraries in the area) If I must, I will dedicate an entire week of non-stop reading, complete with note taking.

    What is so terribly frustrating to me is that anyone who truly loves Darlie (her mom??) appears to have looked away, washed their hands of her and simply ACCEPT that she's on death row!! How is it total strangers (like you & I & Jackie) seem to care more than her own family? I just do not get it. You can't imagine how many times I have tried to walk away and not ever think about this again.....it stresses me! But, here I am. I'm doomed.

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    Pollyannalana 

    4 months ago from US

    Yes, Paula I did know he failed it and I honestly think by then the police knew he had done it but they went so far with trying to convict Darlie they couldn't back down.

    Did you know they took his baby from him? What does that tell you? How could they possibly take a man's baby if he is guilty of nothing?

    There is a whole lot more to this story than meets the eye and no, I don't believe for a minute Darlie did all that to herself. I have said the same as you. Darlie was all wrapped up in herself, knew boobs and beautiful body, she would never have done that. I am sure she is not that person anymore nor may not have stayed that way but even if she was so vain, it does not make her a murderer. I went from thinking she did it to knowing she could not have and as I always ask, who had something to gain? Isn't what the police should have asked?

    Did you see Darin in the last Darlie documentary we talked about here? How many looked at Darin and saw what I saw, I wonder?

    Like evil in the room!

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    Paula 

    4 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Just 2 nights ago, I happen to catch a documentary on Darlie's story. I had to sit upright and was shocked at learning something......having consumed SO much info on this case, I was amazed I hadn't come across this particular info! (It is NOT something I'd have forgotten hearing!!) Darin FAILED A POLYGRAPH after the murders??

    I had no idea and this has hit me pretty hard. Once again, I just don't know what to think, which direction to look....I don't believe I have ever become wrapped up in a case as insanely complex as this one...and I follow most all of the high profile cases.

    I admit that Darlie's particular woulds baffled me.. Could anyone actually cut their own throat, so close to life-essential arteries ? Especially a woman as vain as Darlie about her looks? To do that herself, it tells me that she actually would have wanted to die (suicide).....and then perhaps when she didn't slash long or deep enough, snapped out of her mindless actions...?? The alternative thought is that someone else was wielding that knife.

    I have a strong feeling that we will not ever reach the END of this because even if Darlie is put to death, for those of us so uncertain, we'll not stop going over it time and time again.

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    Pollyannalana 

    4 months ago from US

    Julie (via Hubpages) we seem to think a lot alike.

    I would assume all the photos were taken at the hospital. I am sure the police had no interest in her wounds except to belittle them and judge them self-inflicted.

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    Pollyannalana 

    5 months ago from US

    Thank you so much Paula. I have had to delete hundreds of comments. Many HP insisted on against their standards and many just bullies and anti-Darlie people, no doubt Darin's friends. I have had to go back to moderating comments which I really hate to do, but no choice.

    As I have said to anyone who will listen I at first thought Darlie did it. I mean the newspapers and cops said she did so why would I not believe it? They showed video of her practically dancing on her children's graves and I had her guilty right away. That is the same picture the jury got, and the only one besides getting to hear about all her bar trips and anything that would make her sound an unfit mother.

    Slowly though I saw there was much more to the story than met the eye and only one person stood to gain from insurance if Darlie died, and I think the kids just got in the way. Whether Darin did the deeds or not I feel sure he is behind them.

    You are welcome to join our discussions, anytime!

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    Paula 

    5 months ago from Beautiful Upstate New York

    Wow!! Just Wow! Polly, Jackie sent me the link to your FABULOUS article. I am still reeling from your well organized, point by point discussion on this highly controversial case.

    I must admit that in all this time, I have gone back & forth so often, I felt like just giving up trying to come to a unwavering decision. Now that I have read your rendition of facts, I'm back in the game!!

    Over 2600 comments here!! I'm amazed. Hopefully, one day soon I will have the time to devote to reading them all. I am very interested in ALL opinions. It''s difficult to accept how long Darlie has been locked away. There's no way possible to truly understand what she's gone through. .....most especially if she is 100% innocent!

    This case demands a new trial. Will it ever occur? Great work!

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    Pollyannalana 

    5 months ago from US

    First one very upsetting, will get to the other two tonight. Thank you. How can anyone listen to that and think it was put on. She should have been an actress if so. Then later she acted so weird and I am sure all that and her behavior was helped along by someone drugging her and putting crazy thoughts in her head while pretending to love her. Surely her mother by now has figured this out. I guess she just does not care.

    Been waiting on word from Justin but heard nothing so far. As you yourself knows I do not give my number to anyone. Email is the only way to reach me. I have a suspicious detective son and he makes sure I do things certain ways. No offense, just the way it is.

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    Jo Douglas 

    5 months ago from Canada

    Thank you Polly, I am truly sorry for the issues brought here to your article. Hoping we can get back to helping Darlie, Kim Storm great to see you on hub. This is a great article, lots of interesting comments here. I wanted to post the podcast that Bruce from killer crawlspace did on the Routier case hope you don't mind? There are three parts to the series. https://killerscrawlspace.podbean.com/e/episode-39... https://killerscrawlspace.podbean.com/e/episode-40... https://killerscrawlspace.podbean.com/e/episode-41...

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    Pollyannalana 

    5 months ago from US

    Thanks Jo, I have it fixed so they are just wasting their time, it won't be seen.

    Back to defending out poor pitiful Darlie, huh?

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    Pollyannalana 

    5 months ago from US

    Thank you Kim, glad to have you take part in the discussion.

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    Pollyannalana 

    5 months ago from US

    Sure Justin, just go to my profile and send through my email. Be glad to hear it.

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    JustinCase976 

    5 months ago

    Polly, is there a way I can reach you directly? I want to share some developments with you, but what I have to say is not for the eyes of non-supporters. Please let me know. Thanks!

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    Jo Douglas 

    5 months ago from Canada

    Polly, I love your article and I am sorry for all the baggage I brought to your article. This case comes with so much hatred and secrets. For 22 years Darin, Kee and Darins family have controlled everything we say and do regarding this case, now it is our chance to investigate discuss and share all the information and our feelings. I do hope you are feeling better Polly.

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    Kim Storm 

    5 months ago from Clinton Indiana

    Hi Polly, I had not yet read your page. I have been familiar with this case ever since it happened in 1996. I was directed to this page by my friend Jo Douglas and I am very impressed with your work. Please keep up the good job. I look forward to reading more.

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    Jo Douglas 

    5 months ago from Canada

    Polly I wanted to let you know that the persons who are posting on your article are copying pictures from a facebook profile and posting false info on your article. This just goes to show how desperate Darin is to stop the truth from coming out.

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    Jo Douglas 

    5 months ago from Canada

    I hope you know that it is Darin and Darlie Kee and other family members who are posting false info under all these false profiles. Darin must be scared shitless right now. I hope he lays awake nights waiting for that knock on the door arresting him. Even Ted Bundy wasn't as evil as Darin. I am amazed how far these people are willing to go. Have to say Truekezzy has a very good looking profile pic

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    Pollyannalana 

    5 months ago from US

    Bry, I kicked you from this article long ago and you are still not welcome.

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    JustinCase976 

    6 months ago

    WOW...just wow.

    I can't help but agree that the personal attacks are indeed inappropriate and slanderous, regardless of who the poster is supporting. Some pretty serious allegations are being made here, so if there's no proof to back them up, they definitely don't belong on this thread.

    The only thing I'm going to offer at this time, is that there were no CPR attempts performed on Damon prior to the arrival of paramedics, fake or otherwise. Damon was still breathing on his own when help arrived, and you don't perform CPR on a person that is breathing.

    Let me make my exit now, before I end up getting accused of having an affair with Darin. But if I did sleep with him, it's only because the devil made me do it. ;-)

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    Jo Douglas 

    6 months ago from Canada

    Darlie was ruled out for the prints. It is Darin that they cant rule out. That came out during the last testing. All the dna results have been removed from the internet and public eye apparently. They believe they were removed because it points to her guilt, but that is not true, they point to Darin. I am hoping they took swabs of that rape kit. Touch dna might prove Darin was the one who attacked her on the sofa. The test was lost for many years, but I believe they have found oover 2500 lost rape kits, hoping hers might prove once and for all what he I believe he did.

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    Sillystrings 

    6 months ago

    Darlie has not been ruled out as the source of the fingerprint.

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    Pollyannalana 

    6 months ago from US

    We will discuss Darlie, nothing more.

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    Jo Douglas 

    6 months ago from Canada

    Polly, it is really sad that this person is using all these fake profiles to spread lies about my research. Just goes to show that they are desperate to make me look like a liar so people wont pay attention to the facts in this case. This person is desperate that they are resorting to slandering Fern, who died of cancer recently. My research is based on Darin's interviews, statements and court testimony. What these other profiles are writing on your hub are not words that came from me. So desperate that Darin and his few supporters have to resort to this kind of behavior. Shame on them. This is about Darlie and how they wronged her. They need to stop making this about me and other people who have researched Darin and the evidence.

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    JustinCase976 

    6 months ago

    September 29, 2004: Westminster, CA

    Ariet Girgis is brutally stabbed to death in her home. No sign of forced entry, nothing stolen, no bloody trail of an intruder leading outside. No hairs, fibers, or other trace evidence left behind. The case goes cold.

    A decade later, on a hunch, an item from the crime scene not previously tested for DNA is finally processed and analyzed. Turns out there were TWO intruders. Case is solved and perps are sentenced in 2015.

    The moral of the story: sometimes, criminals really DON'T leave any evidence behind, or if they do, it can take years and pure blind luck before it's found. FACTS.

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    Jo Douglas 

    6 months ago from Canada

    Message to SClemmons. I guess this so called impersonator that has been posting under all these fake profiles doesn't know that we have talked and we know what he is up too. Sad that this person is so desperate to try and discredit people who have studied this case.

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    Pollyannalana 

    6 months ago from US

    I just think if Darlie was hypnotized and actually remembered what happened she could sort of find herself. She would know if Darin was not there although that does not prove he wasn't behind the whole thing. I think it may give her some fight she does not seem to have. She deserves to know and with all the defense wounds and slash to her throat she had to have been terrified and maybe why she does not remember unless she was drugged and then had her throat slashed to finish her off.(Wth only the necklace saving her.)

    She deserves so much and gets nothing. It just is not right. Her life is far from over if she could only be free.

    Darin is a real creep and I think because he is behind it all. Evil letting the mother of his children rot in jail.

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    stunning 1 

    6 months ago

    Getting her hypnotized is not going to get her a new trial. There needs to be some new evidence presented. I believe she deserves a new trial but there needs to show unfortunately. Those new attorneys she has need to be working n it! Just like a ploygraph hypnosis is not going to be admissible. There needs to be a technicality. She didn't receive proper representation. Not sure if they touched on that.

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    Pollyannalana 

    6 months ago from US

    Thanks Justin for expanding on that. I read the book (covered her in HP by Jackie Lynnley) but it has been so long ago, still at the time I wondered why someone in Darlie's defense did not jump all over this? I honestly think Darlie does not remember being attacked but if hypnotized, she might.

    Poor Darlie, her life is eaten up with injustices!

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    JustinCase976 

    6 months ago

    I'm aware, Jo. The woman shot the two children before turning the gun on herself. This happened several years after Darlie's conviction.

    Bad karma certainly does seem to follow those that participated in Dallas' biggest railroad....

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    Jo Douglas 

    6 months ago from Canada

    Not sure if everyone knows this, but there was a women and two children slaughtered in house in Texas. It was the judges daughter and her two children. FYI, THE SAME JUDGE WHO PRESIDED OVER DARLIES CASE, JUST SAYIN

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    JustinCase976 

    6 months ago

    Well said, Polly! You hit the nail right on the head.

    For all the circumstantial evidence there was against Darlie, there is even stronger circumstantial evidence to indicate that someone else actually did this.

    What seals it for me, is the fact that two inmates were overheard arguing about a crime in which they had both been involved, and in which little children were stabbed with knives. Then, several months later, one of the inmates is found hanging in his cell...with his hands tied securely in front of him. The person who overheard this argument reached out to an investigator/attorney, who was able to identify the deceased inmate by name. From there, using police reports and records, the investigator was able to identify several of this man's known associates and track them down. The ex-wife of one of these associates verified that in June of 1996, her husband, the deceased inmate, and another man took a road trip to the Dallas area. When they returned, she learned that they had broken into a house they believed was empty, and it all went bad. Her ex-husband told her that a fight broke out, there were young kids in the room, and the victims were stabbed.

    Now, one could argue that this trio broke into a different house and stabbed somebody else's children; there's just one tiny little problem with that argument. According to the FBI's Crime Reporting Unit Supplemental Homicide Report for 1996, there were exactly 3 children under the age of 10 that were murdered by a knife or cutting instrument in the state of Texas. There were two white males, ages 5 and 6, reported from Rowlett; and one 9 year old white female, reported from Arlington (Amber Hagerman, the inspiration for today's Amber Alert).

    There...were...no...other...children...stabbed...in...Texas...in...1996.

    There are other details about these three men that are not known to the general public; details that indicate they were indeed in the house that night, but I am not about to share them on a public website. All I'm going to say is, if this isn't reasonable doubt, I don't know what is.

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    Pollyannalana 

    6 months ago from US

    Hell is also waiting for those who falsely judge and accuse people. With God, no one sin outweighs the other. Strange, the neighbor's comments I heard about said Darlie was a great mother and also good to their friends, baking them all cookies and having them around. So we believe who we choose to I guess.

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    silverdragon93 

    7 months ago

    even though its circumstantial...I think there is no doubt she did it...According to the book her neighbors heard her curse the boys and i think she resented them..She must not believe in Hell ..if she does not tell the truth and seek redemption before she leaves this world she will go straight to hell..is public perception worth that..i think not.Tell the truth and save your soul if you want to see your boys again..

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    Pollyannalana 

    7 months ago from US

    Well Justin you make me happy and sad with your news. Perhaps if the next protest was more advertised? Truthfully I only got one response asking for phone calls to be made and that was a half negative so it is discouraging, (though I do hope some may have called) but I am so proud of what you did in spite of the pitfalls.

    What did Darlie Kee have to say? Was there any hope?

    Poor, poor, Darlie. There is not a doubt in my body she is innocent and how she holds up I just have no idea.

    It is very interesting what you said about the neighbor and so close to Darlie. I think this was brought up in the Dateline; Purgatory book about Darlie. Have you read that book? It speaks of a couple of prisoner that could well have been the murderers and the one it bothered so bad killing some children. (He is dead, maybe suicide?) But the other one was living at least at this time. I don't know why things like that are not looked into more closely. There were other things that tied these two to that area, like a stolen vehicle which fit the description of a truck I think it was spotted right there.

    She needs a fund collected just to pay for information to free her and I bet she would be out of there in less than 6 months! I bet a million could be raised! That would get attention!

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    JustinCase976 

    7 months ago

    Hi all,

    The turnout for the rally was disappointingly small. A lot of people talked a good game, but failed to deliver when push came to shove. Of course, this delighted the Darlie haters to no end. I heard they were gleefully posting about the 6 or 7 people who came and amusing themselves with insults and memes LOL. (Simple things amuse simple people.) Truthfully, Friday was the biggest turnout with a total of about 25-30 supporters. Not everyone stayed the whole 6 hours, and at one point we were out there in the pouring rain. Darlie's mother was there on Friday, and gave a brief interview to the local CBS news, who also showed up. We had to call off the Saturday march; the forecast showed nothing but rain and thunderstorms for the entire day. We were concerned about having people standing outside with umbrellas and getting struck by lightning, but apparently, this makes us "fair weather supporters." Sunday we were right back at it, about 15 people at the most. We were laughed at, disparaged, ridiculed, and insulted, but that's irrelevant. What is relevant, is that we were HEARD. People noticed. They read our signs, some came up to us out of curiosity and accepted the flyers and other reading material we had prepared. Many people who were just driving by honked their horns and gave the thumbs up in support (we won't talk about the ones who gave us the one-fingered salute, bless their hearts LOL).

    We also had the opportunity to go to Rowlett and see the house and the neighborhood for ourselves. It was chilling to see just how low to the ground those windows actually are, and the ease with which a killer fleeing on foot could have escaped without being seen. It took us exactly six minutes to walk from the Routier house to Angel Rickels's former house on Miami Drive (you'll recall Angel is the woman who testified in the trial that two men attempted to break into her home the night of the murders).

    While the haters also talked a good game about showing up to counter protest, not a one of them actually had the balls to show their faces. Not one. As they claim to be all about JUSTICE FOR DEVON AND DAMON, it begs the question: how many of them would take time off from work and their own families, fly to Texas on their own dime, and stand outside in the pouring rain to fight for what they believe in? It's one thing to talk the talk from a keyboard, but its another thing to put your money where your mouth is. How many would take the time to make the drive to the cemetery, again in the pouring rain, and pay their respects by placing flowers, toys, and yes, SILLY STRING on the boy's headstone? That's what we did when the Saturday march was canceled, and take my word, there was no one else in sight. But, you know, we have no respect for the victims because we believe in Darlie's innocence (eye roll).

    I would do it all over again in a heartbeat, even if I was the only one standing out there. There's been talk about doing this every 6 months or so, and if another rally is organized, I'll attend that as well. I have no shame in standing up for what I believe in, and if any of those haters were ever in this position, I'd stand up for their rights, too.

    A wise man once told me: "Trust the police about as much as they trust you, because just like with any other occupation, there are good ones and there are bad ones. And it only takes one bad one to ruin a person's life." Notably, the wise man who said this also happened to be a seasoned Detective.

    #justruntheprint

    #whohasFaithinFaithJohnson?

    #whatisDallasCountyafraidof?

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    Pollyannalana 

    7 months ago from US

    Hope everyone remembered to call and if you didn't...hey go ahead now! Why not? Am sure it is fresh in their memory, still.

    Hope Justine will share his experience with us!

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    Pollyannalana 

    7 months ago from US

    You got it Justin, I plan to call all those numbers, everyone of those days. They may have us just leave a message so we need to have a good one ready!

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    JustinCase976 

    7 months ago

    Awww hugs to you Polly, hang in there. Don't forget to make those phones ring on Friday! We're not asking for much...we're simply asking them to utilize the IAFIS system for the purpose of which it was originally created.

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    Pollyannalana 

    7 months ago from US

    Feel like a nut, sorry. Having some health issues, been up in the air about and caused me temporary insanity I guess. lol

    Great... glad I did not miss it and will go again to encourage others for some input.

    Thanks for holding things together Justin! lol

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    JustinCase976 

    7 months ago

    It actually hasn't taken place yet; the dates are October 12th, 13th, and 14th. I'll definitely give you an update when I get back.

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    Pollyannalana 

    7 months ago from US

    Has anyone heard anything about whether the protest helped anything or not? Anything at all?

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    JustinCase976 

    7 months ago

    You are so right Cheryl--every time that woman misspoke, messed up her syntax, or struggled to express herself with the right words, she was seen as a "liar." People are so quick to judge others but we don't know all the circumstances and life events that form someone's personality. Just because someone might be considered "different" or "weird" has nothing to do with whether or not they are capable of murder. Trial by media and/or public opinion results in the harshest and most unfair judgments of all. The sad truth is that someone could broadcast a videotape of someone else committing these murders and there will still be people who will see Darlie as a cold blooded killer simply because they have believed it for so long, they can't accept any other alternative.

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    Cheryl Varner 

    7 months ago from Mechanicsburg

    I believe she deserves a retrial. Seems like the whole investigation was tainted because of the premise that it was an 'inside job'. Her affectation comes off wrong or not comparable to how most people behave under any circumstances, really, because of the abuse she has suffered. It is so sad to think if people are wrongfully accused and incarcerated that the real killer responsible walks away and, especially in this case, that person cannot deal with the pain of their loss in itself but having justice fail you, also. The stigma, alone, and the finger pointing even if vindicated will never go away...

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    Pollyannalana 

    7 months ago from US

    Cheryl - The silly string was Darlie's sister's idea and she feels really sorry for it. And it could have been why the police framed Darlie, except they saw the whole tape, not just what they had on the news and showing the jury. They saw when she was crying. So unfair.

    I am always on the law's side and appreciate law enforcement but these cops clearly formed this case the way they wanted it but took the baby from Darin at least, proving they finally knew the real killer.

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    JustinCase976 

    7 months ago

    Rosey...so, your belief is that this was a premeditated act in which Darin, Darlie, and an unknown 3rd party were all complicit? The 3rd person's sole purpose for being present to drop a sock with a dime sized drop of blood on it 3 houses down, because it MIGHT be found by police? And yet, Darlie never implicates this person, even when facing death row?

    Come on, Rosey. There's way too much reasonable doubt here to justify taking this woman's life. If someone else did this, Devon and Damon will never get justice. Don't you want to be SURE?

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    rosey1111 

    7 months ago

    There was no blood outside. So who was outside helping Darlie and or Darin. I'm talking about outside, whether it be a stranger, Darlie, Darin, there would be blood outside. Who was helping her and or him?

    And I don't mind if I'm proven wrong, but it has to be proven. And when I'm wrong, I own it. Darlie is just so good at manipulating people with her sweet little me voice. GUILTY.

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    Cheryl Varner 

    7 months ago from Mechanicsburg

    I think Darin did it because 1. She saw a tall man with long hair. 2. He set her up because he knew she had a prescription drug problem and hints to thoughts of suicide. 3. He drugged her so she would be oblivious to the attacks and if they did lab work, it would appear she medicated herself 4. He planted the sock to steer investigation away from himself. I do remember the silly string event said to be not her idea? But whose was it? Darin's? He did not seem to be very involved in the family and seemed to be a workaholic

    Also, criminals always seem to talk about their crimes and yet all these years, no one else has ever been implicated. Someone always knows something

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    Pollyannalana 

    8 months ago from US

    Rosie, why is Darlie's blood not all outside if she ran down an alley? Hardheaded people just will not see but what they want to. I at first thought Darlie guilty until I took a good look instead of just being the kind of person who can never be wrong!

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    JustinCase976 

    8 months ago

    Yes Rosie, the crime scene photos do show A LOT of blood. The point you seem to have missed is that those photos were taken AFTER Darlie stood up and started moving around. The blood you see in those photos is mostly hers and it was not there when the attackers fled the scene. I also believe that at least one of the attackers fled through the front door and did not go back out through the cut screen.

    "You must be Darlie's relative"--ah yes, the favorite go-to statement of every non-supporter that's getting their a$$ kicked in an argument. When are you people going to come up with some new material? I could say that you must be a relative of Greg Davis, but I happen to know that his relatives don't particularly care for him. Imagine that.

    I believe I've already mentioned that one of my parents is a homicide detective, so there's no need for me to make any calls, I can simply ask the ones that I know. And the ones I know are floored that this case even went to trial, but the general consensus among them is: only in Texas.

    "Darlie is a textbook psychopath"--is that your professional diagnosis, doctor? Because Dr. Kenneth Dekleva, the psychiatrist brought in by the STATE to examine Darlie, would have testified otherwise, which is exactly why the prosecution never called him as a witness. They also instructed him not to record any of his opinions in a written report. Dr. Lisa Clayton, the psychiatrist who examined Darlie for the defense, did testify under oath that Darlie does not meet the criteria for either a psychopath or a sociopath.

    Next?

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    rosey1111 

    8 months ago

    Justincase976 call any homicide department and see how many cases they have with such a bloody scene inside, and NONE outside. I think you must be Darlie's relative.

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    rosey1111 

    8 months ago

    From the crime scene photos, there was A LOT OF BLOOD. She said 'he' ran out. You can't run out , go through a screen and leave nothing. No way. Don't need a doctorate to figure that out, just good common sense.

    Darlie is guilty. She is a textbook psychopath.

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    Pollyannalana 

    8 months ago from US

    Thank you so much for those numbers Justin! I appreciate that so much. I will spread this and the numbers around as far as I can and hopefully those seeing will share it too. It is time someone listened and let that innocent mother go!

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    Pollyannalana 

    8 months ago from US

    RMF - I don't have a clue about devil worshiping and although Darin gives me the creeps I won't accuse anyone of wild things I know nothing about.

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    JustinCase976 

    8 months ago

    I wanted to share this link for those who would like a better understanding of crime scenes, fingerprinting, and AFIS

    https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.as...

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    JustinCase976 

    8 months ago

    Rosie, real crime scenes oftentimes contain little to no physical evidence. The general public has been brainwashed by shows like CSI and NCIS. On TV, there's always a plethora of evidence, the blood and DNA results are in before the first commercial break, and the bad guy is always caught, tried, and convicted. The case is solved and all wrapped up in a neat little bow by the end of the hour.

    If Darlie had been home alone that night and died from her injuries, there still wouldn't be the "evidence of intruders" that non-supporters blindly insist should be there. She would just become one of the many unsolved homicides. Don't believe me? Call the homicide department of any squad in any city and ask them how many cold cases they're sitting on.

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    rosey1111 

    8 months ago

    No it doesn't happen all the time. What happens all the time is BLOOD is spread, easily. You can't just wipe it off and run away, if you're running away, as Darlie states, you don't have time to clean your self off.

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    JustinCase976 

    8 months ago

    The Dallas PD has about eight different divisions i.e. central, south central, northeast, etc. It looks like Central Dallas is the closest division to the Frank Crowley Courts Building, where we will be marching. The number is 214-670-4413.

    The Dallas County Sheriff's office is actually located in the building itself. Their number is 214-653-3450.

    Dallas County DA Faith Johnson's office is also located in the building. The number is 214-653-3600.

    Make those phones ring off the hook, ladies!

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    Pollyannalana 

    8 months ago from US

    I just had an idea. Is there a number ones who cannot go could call? Drive them crazy with phone calls, maybe two or three numbers at the police near this protest? Or wherever appropriate. Doesn't that seem a good idea?

    It might make them bothered more than by the protest. I would sure do it and get the numbers around to hundreds online.

    Make a loud noise altogether!

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    Pollyannalana 

    8 months ago from US

    Thank you!!!

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    JustinCase976 

    8 months ago

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    Pollyannalana 

    8 months ago from US

    Justin - No I have heard nothing about that! That is so thrilling to hear. I bet Darlie is excited about it too.

    No I will not be able to be there but I would love to and will be getting in on keeping touch with this happening as closely as I can.

    Please share the experience with us when you get back!

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    JustinCase976 

    8 months ago

    The TV was on in the room; he could see and recognize his mother.

    "All that blood" came mostly from Darlie and was shed after she stood up and began moving around, after the intruders had left. A common misconception is that the killers would have tracked blood throughout the house and outside, but that's simply not the case. The boys' bleeding was more internal than external. Even one of the state's expert witnesses conceded that an intruder would not necessarily have been particularly bloody.

    It is possible for a person or persons to exit through the screen without leaving trace evidence. It happens all the time; that's why investigators have so many cold cases. Sometimes there's just nothing to work with.

    Darlie's bloody footprints were indeed everywhere, including in front of the sink. Please check your facts again.

    Again, the sock was not planted. Refer to above re tracking blood.

    Darin & the glass: I've already addressed this in a previous comment.

    Are you telling us that with one child dead and the other dying, you'd waste precious seconds running upstairs to see for yourself that the baby was okay? She knew Darin had been upstairs in the same room with Drake. It was a safe assumption that he was unharmed just as Darin was, so yes, top priority was to get an ambulance there. And for the record, as soon as she ended the call with 911, the first thing she did was ask about Drake.

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    rosey1111 

    8 months ago

    If the house was dark, he wouldn't know who it was.

    I actually think it is 3 people

    Darlie

    Darin and another person. With all that blood, blood would've been found outside.

    No way anyone could go out the cut screen without leaving something

    If you're running out of the house, through the screen, you are going to leave evidence

    And her footprints that showed up with the luminol, were her footprints anywhere else besides the kitchen sink

    So, the question is, how was the sock planted? Anyone inside the house would have left some type of blood reroute to plant the sock.

    Was Darin outside? Because no way he heard a glass break from upstairs. That is just an excuse as to why he awakened

    I know if my 2 sons were stabbed, I'd immediately be thinking of my 3rd, mother's instinct, and would have run up the stairs, because I'd want to know what happened to my baby

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