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Caught Shoplifting: What Happens Next?

Updated on August 22, 2016

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Your Actions Determine How You'll Spend the Rest of Your Day

Disclaimer: I'm not an attorney. The following article is NOT intended to be legal advice. If you are stopped by a Loss Prevention employee, you are advised to consult with your lawyer. Shoplifting laws vary from state to state and country to country.

The following is just a guide.

So there you are walking down Aisle #6 and you can't help yourself. The Tylenol is just sitting there waiting to be stolen. For some reason you can't justify paying $6.99 for a bottle of 50 caplets. "That's insane", you're thinking. "How can they expect me to pay all this money just for that?"

You glance around. There's no one in the aisle. You look up to see a black camera dome, straight above you. You think it over. Your palms get sweaty. "No one really watches us through those things, do they?", you ask yourself.

You reach over and swipe it off the shelf already feeling (and looking) guilty. Within 10 seconds it's inside your pocketbook. What a rush! Your heart is pumping, and you can actually hear it.

"I got away with it.", you're thinking.

You decide to do some legitimate shopping. It takes you another half an hour to fill up your grocery cart and then you head up front to the check out lanes. You feel better. You've almost forgotten you've just committed a crime.

After the cashier checks out your order, you pay for your items using your Visa card. The grocery bagger has placed your last bag inside your carriage and you walk outside, feeling pretty good about yourself. "I've paid enough for my groceries!", you rationalize. "Serves them right for charging so much for a little bottle of Tylenol."

All of a sudden from behind you hear a professional, sounding voice (for our purposes, this voice is female) and she says.

"Excuse me, ma'am. I'm with store security. Could you please step back inside the store with me? There's been a mistake made and we need to discuss it."

At this point you're praying for a heart attack as the "fight or flight" syndrome takes over. Hundreds of questions are going through your mind. "What should I do? Should I run?, should I go back? Am I going to be arrested? Will this get in the paper? My husband is going to kill me!"

Bad news. You're being stopped for shoplifting. What you do from this point on might determine how you spend the rest of your day.

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What To Do if You are Caught Shoplifting

1.) Don't run. This will cause a reaction from the store detective. If the detective is allowed to apprehend you, they will attempt to grab you and force you to come back into the store. If the store detective is NOT allowed to touch you (depending on local laws and the rules of the store), and you run, they may at their option notify the police. It's not a bright idea to run.

2.) Don't over-react. Remember this. As nervous and excited you are, the store detective is just as (and perhaps) more nervous than you are. They have no idea who you are. They don't know if you're carrying a weapon, capable of striking them, are a drug addict who may stab them with an HIV infected needle, etc. Try to remain calm. Don't make any sudden movements that might be misconstrued as a threat of bodily harm to the detective. Even a "hands off" loss prevention detective will defend him/herself.

This is a crucial moment. Try and stay calm.

3.) Don't try to bargain. LP has heard it all before. "I'll never come back, please don't do this." I'll never do it again!", "I did it for my kids" "I was going to come back and pay for it later!", "I forgot to pay for it!" "Can I please go if I pay for it?" The list goes on and on. The excuses get old after awhile. You stole an item and that's all there is to it.

4.) Don't try to cut a deal. The store detective does not care about your reasons for stealing. They want the apprehension to happen. Most don't just want the merchandise back. They NEED your name, address and other personal information for their records. They have to justify their paycheck to their boss and their store. They HAVE to show that they're doing the job.

5.) The longer you stay outside with the detective, the more embarrassing it's going to be when your neighbor walks by. You can try to hand off the merchandise and walk away and HOPE that they don't call the cops for a measly $6.99, but don't count on it. If you go inside the store with the detective, you can be out in 5 minutes. Decide carefully.

6.) LP is watching your every move. Keep your hands clear of your pockets, handbag, etc. Don't make any sudden jerking movements and keep your voice down. What you're trying to do is to place the detective at ease here. You only stole a bottle of Tylenol. You didn't commit a murder. Chill out.

7.) Make certain a witness is present: Once in the LP Office, make sure there is a witness present of the same sex as yourself. (If the detective is the same sex as the shoplifter a person of the opposite sex may be used as a witness) The witness will in most cases be whatever employee of the store is available. You will be asked a series of questions. Be as pleasant as possible and don't lie. The detective may anticipate a lie and ask you the same question later on in the interview. At this point you may want to give up the Tylenol-and whatever other merchandise you have taken from that store. Wait for the detective to ask you for the merchandise. Do NOT stick your hands in your pocket to get the merchandise on your own. The detective may interpret this action as a threat.

8.) Don't sign anything until you read it. If you have proper ID, the detective will probably release you upon your signature. Be careful what you sign. If you have any questions about what you're signing, feel free to ask questions, but beware. The detective is not an attorney, either. In most cases he/she is right out of high school. Use your own judgement. You could refuse to sign, but this may be taken as a sign of non-cooperation and the police may be called.

9.) Civil Recovery? If the state where you reside, has a Civil Recovery Law in effect, you may also be asked to sign a statement stating you understand the elements behind Civil Recovery. Civil Recovery is a law that says merchants have the right to civilly sue the shoplifter for costs incurred during the shoplifting process. (If you need more info on the Civil Recovery law in your state, simply Google "Civil Recovery in Arkansas" for example) A CR fine can be high. I've heard of fines up to $500.

Civil Recovery is the way that LP Departments make money. That money goes to the bottom line. Usually it's a 50/50 split between the store and the company they hire to recover your money.

If you ask the detective questions concerning Civil Demand, they will hand you a flyer (or some other sort of printed info) and claim they "don't know much about it." (this is said on purpose and to reduce the store's liability.) There will be a phone number on the form (usually connecting to the collecting company) you can dial for more info.

Talk to your attorney before making any kind of civil demand payments. In fact, my advice is to talk with your attorney after your shoplifting apprehension. He/she may find flaws in your situation which may steer the store away from your paying Civil Demand. (If you bitch loud enough, the store may even give you a gift certificate to use on your next shopping trip.)

10.) If the detective tells you that you the police are on their way, shut your mouth. There is no changing their minds. Don't offer up merchandise or any other personal info. Even your name. They're not cops. Save your breath and try and calm down before the police arrive.

11.) Don't chance it again.


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  • compu-smart profile image

    compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

    Walking out of a shop without paying for an item, and committing many other crimes is not against the law, as long as you can prove the (mens rea), which is translated to `guilty mind' or ` blameworthy mind'! Its always possible to walk out of a shop without realising you totally forgot to pay!

    Not that i would condone such actions:D

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Sure, that happens all the time, but it depends on the item(s) one walks out with. It might be easy to convince someone that you have forgotten to pay for a big bottle of laundry detergent in the bottom of your cart at the market, but try walking out with a bag full of 3 lb. lobsters and see how far the "Ooops defense" works.

    Thanks for stopping by compu-smart. It's been awhile.

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    compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

    3 lb. lobsters! lol

    I was a true pro shop lifter and would not bother so much with items on display but would work my way to the back of store, to the store room nd out the back door!!

    The reason why i used to do this was because the consequences if i got caught were very slim as i used to always get light sentences because the judges always felt sorry for me believe it or not bcos of my upbringing!;)

    Now, no matter how hungry or desperately in need of anything, i would not shoplift again because im a leapard that's HAS changed his spots!

    Yes Rockingjoe, Long time no see if we can actually say that! :)

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    hubber-2009 8 years ago from India

    The Punishment is not correct one..

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    spryte 8 years ago from Arizona, USA

    LOL!  I accidentally did shoplift once.  The two stores were connected by a hallway and with the item right in the open in my hand, preoccupied with talking to the person I was with, heading for the other store...I just walked right out.  Of course I was totally perplexed as to why I was stopped by security...until I looked down in my hand and realized I was still holding the can of shaving cream...

    I guess the security officer realized it had been a rather idiotic brain fart that had caused the entire thing and they dropped the matter after taking back the shaving cream.  Of course, I still needed shaving cream...but I waited a few days to go back for it.  :)

    Good advice though!

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    Marian Swift 8 years ago from San Francisco Bay Area

    The day after the big Loma Prieta earthquake in '89, I went to the supermarket to buy some food to donate to earthquake relief.  Gathered up a nice cartful.

    The clerk and I were so busy talking about the quake, that she forgot to take my money and I forgot to pay!

    As I was loading the car, it dawned on me that Something Was Wrong.  Of course, I reloaded and raced back.  All was more than forgiven.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Thanks compu-smart ...lol. I'm glad you're reformed. You definitely got it right about heading to the backroom and out the emergency exit though. I used to lose more merchandise at a department store that way. If you've got a car waiting out back, it's even better. There's no way you can lock emergency exits and once that alarm went off-it was always too late by the time I hauled my ass down there. Shoplifting is such a low level crime as far as the courts are concerned, but it does cause a huge dent in profits, which is one of the reasons prices are so high.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi hubber 2009. By punishment, are you referring to the photo? If I were the judge I would have had her stand out there for a month. It not only cures one of the crime, but it's a deterrent to others. To get a sentence such as this one, one must be brought before a judge several times and (I assume) have had felony shoplifting arrests.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi spryte, I'm surprised you were stopped at all. There aren't many shaving cream thieves out there. I would have assumed it was a mistake and let it go. Believe it or not, a store detective can get in more trouble for stopping an honest customer (who made a mistake like you did) , because intent to defraud the store had not been established.

    That's funny that you waited a couple of days to go back...lol.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Marian, You got lucky on that one. If I were watching I would have suspected colusion between you and the cashier and charged you both. The evidence as you described it would have been enough to stop you (and depending on the dollar amount) send you to jail for a few hours. I'm glad you weren't stopped. That would have been a tough one to explain to the cops.

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    Marian Swift 8 years ago from San Francisco Bay Area

    Hi, rockinjoe ...

    If it hadn't been the morning after a major earthquake, things would have been very different.  For one thing, the incident would never have occurred.  As it was, the whole Bay Area was distracted that day.

    The fact that I raced back and brought it to the store's attention probably helped too.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    That's true. I'm sure everyone had their minds distracted with the events of the previous day. And of course, mistakes happen all the time. It's up to the store detective to determine whether it's theft or an honest mistake. I saw a woman one day take and try on a pair of those magnifying glasses you see in the stores. She used them to shop with and then simply forgot they were on her head. She walked out of the store with the price tag hanging off her ear. I didn't stop her because the amount was under $10 (some stores have a minimum price for which they'll stop a shoplifter) and I knew it was a mistake. She came back into the store a few hours later, very embarrassed and apologizing all over the place. We got a pretty good laugh over it.

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    confess 8 years ago from CA

    Wait...what if the store calls the police? Than what? I know the answer to that one.

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    compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

    confess don't do it!! confess that is! even if the police come its still up-to the store to prosecute and as rockingjoe mentioned, some stores have price tariffs which depend on if its worth the hassle of prosecuting!

    I have lots of other top shop lifting tricks and tips but i could not possibly leave them here! lol and lol at "price tag hanging off her ear"!!

    One funny storey of my shoplifting days was when i was about 9 and I saw this poster i wanted of my fav singer and it was rolled up and really long, so i stuffed it all the way down my pants and was down to my sneakers! I could even not walk properly as pic was stopping my knees from bending! and i did not want to bend the poster, so when ever the shop owner was not looking i would take a step a very awkward step further to the door!! lol i made it out poster and all with no damages to me or poster!

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Confes. Are you referring to the store itself calling the police instead of having LP involved? Some stores have 100% prosecution for shoplifters, but most don't, because it's a pain in the ass for the cops to have to babysit some 11 year old who stole a candy bar until their parents pick them up at the police station. Even if the prosecution dollar amount was met at some stores I've worked at in the past were met, I seldom called the cops. Non felony shoplifting is a low level crime and cops have better things to do than to spend two hours with an idiot who stole a CD.

    Fights and felony boosters are a different story. If I got into a fight with a junkie, or they were walking out the door with a carriage full of my merchandise, they definitely went to jail-with no complaints from the police.

    I've always had a great relationship with the cops at stores I've worked. I never called them for nonsense reasons.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hey Compu-Smart....I have to know. Who was on the poster you lifted?

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    compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

    Hi rockingjoe, when i was wrote above comment, i was trying to think of who they were or what group they were, but i had 100s of posters on my walls and cannot remember!:/

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    If you can't remember...I'm guessing it was the New Kids....lol.

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    mariane14 8 years ago from USA

    i would be carefull not to accidentally not pay for items in the store. i don't want to be apprehended for shoplifting. its a shame.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hello mariane14 . Thanks for your comment. Mistakes do happen, but it is extremely embarassing to be aprehended for shoplifting.

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    compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

    It would proberly have ben Olivia Newtonton John, Debbie Harry or Marillyn Monroe among many others! which were all stolen!:( I have payed my dues and am still paying for my life of crime indirectly!

    ps-No more comments until i see my lawyer!:)

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    lol. You're too funny. I remember the Debbi Harry Poster. White hot pants and go go boots. Olivia had a couple out. Marilyn would have also been worth a half an hour inside of the security office.

    Good choices.

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    DKowalski.26 8 years ago from Largo, FL

    LMAO!! That was too funny... I love the expression on people's face when they get caught shop lifting. I mean, just because you get away with it once, doesn't mean you'll never get caught. I think it really is addicting and people should seek out the help needed to get it under control. Even still, no one should get away w/ shoplifting, not even celebrities like Winona Ryder.

    Thanks for sharing.

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    marketingmergenow 8 years ago from Spokane

    Excellent Hub rockinjoe,

    I appreciated the information. It was just what I had been wondering about. How shoplifters are handled. Since I never have shoplifted I always wondered what happens when they get caught. Very informative & interesting. Thank you.

    marketingmergenow

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    compu-smart 8 years ago from London UK

    I want to retract everything i said above! :D

    @marketingmergenow.

    There is a huge difference on what happens to you when your caught and that's depending on which country you get caught shoplifting in!! Some can result in being formerly cautioned, then being sent on your way, to be beaten! and beaten to death in the street!! That's the reality!

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    I can't imagine getting caught boosting in some place like Iran or Mynamar. My guess is you'd lose a body part.

    Remember in Singapore when they whipped that American kid for some vandalism 15 years ago, or so?

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    sunforged 8 years ago from Sunforged.com

    Ive always wanted to be a Loss Prevention officer, I felt my incredible successes as young teenager ( I had a change of conscience by 16) would have made me excellent at catching others.

    Our trick was to walk right out the front door pretending to try and wave down a friend (like the shaving cream guy)- we would hold whatever items on the opposite side of the cashier out of line of sight - we imagined if anybody stopped us we would have seemed so obvious that it must have been a mistake, we also used to always ask for a job application, which worked as a shield and an alibi "why would I steal if im trying to get a job here?"

    You think that would have worked with you, you sound smarter than the average camera watcher.

    I did get caught once! I fell off the back of a car while skitchin (holding onto a corvette at 60) ....I went into a grocery store an hour later and couldn't stomach paying 6 dollars for gauze (i needed a lot of it) ...got caught limping out,couldn't have ran if i wanted to, the fact that I was actually covered in blood still probably brought the initial attention to me and the leniency when the LPO let me go, plus when I showed my id, they could see my wallet was empty

    I figured out better thrill seeker activities soon after.

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    June Campbell 8 years ago from North Vancouver

    I have to say I lack sympathy for shoplifters and other thieves. I think the Walmart penalty is a great one! Having said that, I am guilty of absentmindedly walking out of a store carrying a pair of socks in both hands! I did return them as soon as I noticed, but still!

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    You bring up a great point, sunforged. You MUST know how to shoplift before you can catch some shoplifting. I never had the guts to do it when I was a kid. I always knew the penalty of disappointing my parents was going to be worse than anything a store detective (or the police) could do to me. That being said, I had friends who shoplifted all the time. It was crazy!

    When I started in the field, I had to learn how to steal. I was amazed at the number and variety of methods used by both amateur and professional shoplfters.

    I like your mentioned methods of using the job application as a shield. I don't think I've ever seen that one before, but I did apprehend someone trying to get away with stealing $20 worth of greeting cards inside of a magazine. ("Gee, how did they get in there?") I've seen the "old friend outside" trick. That's actually a pretty old one.

    If you're not in the business, or you're looking for a job, I would definitely give it a shot. Go to a place where you're going to learn how apprehension works. There's a big difference between becoming a loss prevention (or asset protection) officer and being a paper pusher. Target and Kmart still apprehend their shoplifters. Other places (worried about lawsuits) tend to try to deter the shoplifting these days. I won't mention the major ones, but they are definitely out there.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi nightcats. My sympathy level for shoplifters is also in the low category. However, I did work in a supermarket for awhile and there are some genuinely hungry people out there. There's a big difference between a meth addict coming into your store and filling up a duffle bag with steaks and roasts than an elderly woman stuffing a can or two of tuna in her coat. Sometimes you have to count your blessings and look the other way.

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    glasses4boomers 8 years ago

    This makes me think of my brother many years ago shoplifting a He Man action figure from Alco, My mom found out days later and had my grandfather take him to the store and sit down with the manager and apologize.He was about 10 or 11 so at the time this seemed like a suitable punishment.

    I like the Wal-Mart idea!

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi glasses4boomers! Thanks for the comment. I wish I had a nickle for everytime a parent brought a child back to the store with a pilfered item (or half-eaten candy bar) It's an extremely stressful, but fantastic learning experience for a child.

    I also like the Walmart idea. It's too bad we don't see more of that around here. I'd like to see it in place of cash fines for small shoplifting offenses. I'm sure that the ACLU would have something to say about it though.

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    southerngirl5848 8 years ago

    I must admit, I've been caught shoplifting. I was 13 and some friends thought it would be "cool" to steal bracelets from Claire's. The cops were called over three of us having a $7 bracelet. The store clerk was EXTREMELY proud that she caught three preteens stealing friendship bracelets.. but the cop was very very annoyed. We had to pay like $50 fines and do 32 hours of community service. It makes me think twice, but simply being caught and not prosecuted would have taught me the same lesson. Its not like money came out of my own pocket, Christ I was 13 (lol).

    But my fiancé has an uncle who is a clepto. And has the papers to prove it.

    We see him as Robin Hood though. Everything he steals we get for Christmas. Very interesting gifts if I don't say so myself.

    I've watched him walk out of Wal Mart with an electric guitar.

    Granted, it wasn't an expensive one (it was from wal mart lol) but it still amazed me.

    Great Hub.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi southerngirl5848. Thanks so much for the nice comment. I assume Claires understandably) has a big time problem with teenage shoplifting-which is also its biggest customers. I got my ear pierced there years ago and I think I was the only one in the store over the age of 20. The cop was annoyed because Claire's probably haunted the local police to no end with juvenile shoplfters. I can understand the fine, but I had never heard of a minor being ordered to community service. I'm sure it cured you of stealing from Claire's though....lol.

    That's a shame about your fiancee's, Uncle Klepto. If he hasn't been caught before, he's well on his way. A Walmart guitar? I would hope he'd have better taste than that.....

    Thanks for stopping by.

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    candicane 8 years ago

    Last year my sister and I were shopping at Target for X-mas. When my items were bagged up the clerk gave me a receipt and told me to have a merry x-mas. She was so cranked or coke up on something, and very anixous, figitiy. That I was paying more attention to her behavior and not realizing that she never took my money or had me swipe my credit card. My sister noticed and pushed the buggy right out the store. And did not tell me until we arrived home. I was worried about this poor girl losing her job or being written up, and tried calling the store and just kept getting a busy signal. The next day during lunch I arrived at the store with a receipt explaining what had taking place the day before. They had me wait about 20 minutes saying that he looked over the books from the night before and saw nothing that showed a shortage from the previous day. And refused to take my money for the merchandise.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Wow, that's a weird one. The clerk (possibly high you claim) rips off the receipt for a un-totaled purchase, hands it to you and doesn't notice there wasn't any transaction?  So far you've got free stuff. If an LP had noticed no transaction and your sister leaving with the cart, all three of you would have been grabbed for that, as the LP would suspect "free-bagging" which is the LP name for a "hookup"

    The only reason I have for there being no shortage in the cashier's register the next day, is,  She obviously had someone void the transaction for her  (or she had access to do it herself)

    I agree with the store manager for not taking your money. It could be a liability. He may think you were attempting to scam him or something. He was better off just letting the merchandise go and forgetting the whole thing. I bet the cashier got fired, though.

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    knslms 8 years ago from North Carolina

    I'm all for not judging others, you never know what's going on with someone or what kind of problems they are going through, but really stealing a bottle of tylenol because you think they charge to much money for it? It's there's they can charge whatever they want for it!

    I am actually from the town of the pic above (unless this has been done somewhere else) I think this person got exactly what they needed.

    It's one thing to steal pain meds because you have no ins. or food because your kids are hungry, but stealing just for the fun of it should be punished in a humilating manor just like above imo

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    As I've stated, my sympathy level is on the low side. In my experience, 99.99% of shoplifting has crminal intent behind it. The rest was out of need. I don't care what doctors say, I don't believe in kleptomania. I also agree with you that the shoplifter in the picture definitely got what she deserved. I wish more judges had the guts to dish out a sentence like that one.

    I was reading over the weekend about a mall in (I believe) NY who had a TV screen set up showing the faces of people who were previously arrested for shoplifting. I thought it was an excellent way to deter thieves-although I'm sure there are lawyers in court right now fighting to have it removed.

    Thanks for your comment, knslms 

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    knslms 8 years ago from North Carolina

    Yeah somethings gotta give they waist time and money to stop criminals from getting punished for what they do. Then wounder why the crime rate is so high.

    It seems to me like everyone has rights except for honest people.

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    Shaun Lindbergh 8 years ago from Cape Town, South Africa

    I was a store manager once and my staff caught a 16 year old girl shoplifting and brought her to my office. I gave her the option: I call her dad or the police. She was terrified of her dad but more scared of the police, so we called her dad. While we waited for him to arrive she piped up, "Can I go and tell the chauffeur that I will be late?" I nearly fell off my chair! Poor little rich girl desperate for attention. I hope her parents learned their lesson!

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Thanks for the comment, Shaun. You bring up an important point. Shoplifters are definitely not always grouped into the poor or indigent category. They come from all occupations, both sexes, all ages and all walks of life.

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    Bruce Elkin 8 years ago from Victoria, BC Canada

    Hey Joe, l loved the photo. Fitting justice. I heard about a judge in the old Soviet Union who gave a unique sentence to an architect who forgot to draw an elevator into the plans for a 12 story apartment, just stairs. No one noticed it until the local party bosses started allocating apts to members, and everybody above the 3rd floor started complaining. So they took the architect to court. The judge found him guilty of professional neglect, and sentenced him to live for 1 year on the 12 floor. Sweet, eh? Loved the hub.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Bruce, that's an ideal sentence. I thought it would have been much harsher in the USSR, like a one way train ticket to Siberia, or something of that nature.

    I'd like to see more of the "punishment fits the crime" type of sentences here in the US. Being as PC as we've become, though, I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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    JamHan 8 years ago from Dixieland

    I am an advocate of the "embarrassment" discipline! My daughter used to have a very bad case of sticky fingers. I was dumbfounded when several managers would allow her to HAVE the item she'd stolen (she was very young and adorable....and, frequently, she would ASK for it)! Finally, my husband asked one of the mall officers to have a talk with her. In front of everyone he spoke with her until she was in tears. We haven't had any problems with her since then.

    Also effective, embarrassing her in front of her friends (insert evil/mischievous laugh here) :D

    I used to work at a store that hired off duty officers to patrol the floor in uniform. They didn't have camera's or those detectors you walk through at the entrance/exit to the store and the officers were not allowed to make an arrest. IF someone got caught shoplifting, they were asked to not come back and let go. Then, the employee in the area they shoplifted from got in trouble for not catching them.

    I got in trouble, once, even though I prevented over $1,000 in merchandise loss! My co-workers and I all came to the conclusion that if we would steal, it would have been from that store because even if we had been caught there would have been no consequences to speak of.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi,JamHan. Thanks for the comment (and the fanmail as well) I used to LOVE the embarrassment technique and I can't count the number of kids I've spoken to about shoplifting after their parents requested I do so. Alas, that is also a liability these days and you're NOT allowed to do that anymore. Everyone sues for everything these days-so apparently its happened.

    Concerning the lack of arrests at the store you worked for...The business has changed over the years and I'm kind of glad to be out of it. Businesses are so frightened of a potential liability incident that they would rather let $1000 worth of merchandise escape through the front door, than payout a million in a lawsuit. In a way, I can't blame them, but the bad news is, the crooks are winning and their customers are paying the tab. In an economy such as this one, shoplifting is on the rise and according to a couple of my sources (the ones who still have jobs), rules are becoming more strict in regards to catching these criminals. It's a shame. Thanks for the nice comment.

     

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    JamHan 8 years ago from Dixieland

    I tend to blame the judges, juries, and lawyers who allow people to get away with "winning" frivolous lawsuits on technicalities more than anyone else. Others who might not steal see someone get away with it and say, "Why not?" And the whole politically correct environment we live in makes me crazy. When you call things as they are you get labeled for making someone take responsibility for their actions. Aargh.

    But this really boarders on ranting, so I'll stop! :D

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Please feel free to rant anytime in (or about) my hubs, I agree with you that the world's PC mentality MUST stop. It's gotten ridiculous and you can't open your mouth these days without insulting anyone. Thanks for the comment.

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    MellasViews 8 years ago from Earth

    I been caught stealin... once, when I was 5... and I walked right, through the door... walked right thru the door.

    My mom made me give the keychain back though. lol.

    I however was an accomplice to shoplifting once as a teen. 16 to be precise. The town press made a crucial mistake of printing my name up in the paper, and airing it on the radio.

    For some reason they thought I was 18... -I learned at my STOPLIFT (lol-its like rehab for shoplifters, and 8 hour course that cost me $90- I got a graduating certificate and all. lol) class that it was against the law for them to air a minors name on the radio, and the paper. I could have sued, but the shit was embarassing enough. Plus, we were poor... poor people don't sue. At least we don't anyway.

    At any rate, it was a CVS store... we could have double sued for what this douche did.

    The CVS manager who caught us, and had us arrested, actually came into my job 3 hours later, to tell my boss that 2 employees (me and my cousin) had been caught stealing, and that she should fire us.

    Meanwhile jackass had no idea, he was reporting us to MY MOM who was the manager at the store I worked at. She then called the cops on him, because blacklisting is illegal, and this was what this douche was trying to do.

    On top of that, we served for our crime (stoplift, and community service), and this assclown had no right to shame us like that, in front of other coworkers.

    At any rate, we could have sued him too. We never did though... I still kick myself about that one, because I would have liked to sued that fat bastard.

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    NDBEES 8 years ago from DEVON

    Wouldn't chopping their thieving little hands off be a good deterrent?

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi MellasViews. Thanks for the comment. Great CVS story. I used to work for the now defunct Ames Department stores (picking up shoplifters) and the unit I was working in, was located next to a CVS Pharmacy. One day after work, I went in to CVS and bought a package of allergy medicine. I purchased it at the pharmacy (instead of up front) as I was picking up some prescrition medicines for my mom at the time. When I went out the front door, the alarm went off (the pharmacist had forgotten to deactivate the EAS tag on the allergy pills) and before you know it this manager ran outside, ripped the bag out of my hand and grabbed me by the arm. We tussled a bit until the idiot regained his sanity. (I put him in a headlock) Someone in CVS called the cops and when they showed up (they knew us both) they got a good laugh out of it. I called the guy an asshole and walked away with my bag, fully intent on suing the crap out of CVS. The next day while at work, there was a knock on my office door. It was the CVS manager, looking rather stupid and holding a $50 gift card and his hand out with an apology. What could I do? I shook his hand, accepted his apology and that was that.

    Great story. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

    Thanks for your comment, NDBEES. Good deterrent idea, but it pisses the parents off when you send their kids home in that condition:)

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    Pam Roberson 8 years ago from Virginia

    Joe, you're a man of many talents, and you've delivered another really good hub that is enlightening, organized, and written well. I didn't know ANY of this. Like you mentioned in the comments about yourself, I didn't shoplift as a kid or teen either.

    I had one experience as a little kid where my dad told me to pick out a piece of candy at a store, and I ended up popping it in my mouth instead of giving it to him so he could pay for it. I honestly didn't know what stealing was, but I sure had a good idea after we got home and my behind was on fire from the spanking he gave me. lol!

    Great job, wonderful hub that I'm sure will help lots of people!

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    LondonGirl 8 years ago from London

    "Also effective, embarrassing her in front of her friends (insert evil/mischievous laugh here) :D"

    My mother used to call my brother "Mummy's little ray of sunshine" when he was a teenager and hadn't tidied his room....

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Thank you Pam. I'm sure that fiery spanking cured you of anything you may have done in the future. Thanks so much for the nice compliment.

    Hi LondonGirl "Mummy's little ray of sunshine?"That's hysterical. I love it. Thanks for stopping by.

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    MellasViews 8 years ago from Earth

    lol... RJ they are brutal at CVS man... lol.

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    Pam Roberson 8 years ago from Virginia

    Now this is just plain spooky, you're right, it did cure me, and I never ever got another spanking. Of course, that's not to say I was totally without fault here and there, I just learned how to frame my brother. ;) lol!

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    LisaStar 8 years ago from New England

    Joe, small world it is. I was going to post here about my times as a member of store management and how uncomfortable it was being on the "right" side of this situation. It would make me so nervous having to sit in on apprehensions, interrogations etc. It was sad and it was scary and even sometimes it was employees of mine who I generally cared for. I used to hate having to go outside the store and peer through the police car window to make an identification. Used to have nightmares that these people would come find me years later. Such a wuss I am.

    And one of the stores I worked at?? Ames! (Not so fond memories of working there). Had to laugh when I read you have worked there too.

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    LisaStar 8 years ago from New England

    Oh ya.. and if wearing a sign outside a Walmart stops from kid from living a life of crime.. then i'm all for it.

    Another great hub and discussion Joe!

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Pam, thanks for the post. It's always nice to have a brother to frame.

    Hi Lisa, Thanks for stopping by. You worked in management for Ames? I would have rather been a shoplifter. Those people were the most over-worked and under-appreciated people in all of retail. Zayre was my first LP gig and that store became an Ames a couple of years afterwards.....and then a closed Ames in 2001.

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    LisaStar 8 years ago from New England

    LOL Joe!! Man the hours I worked at that place!! I actually worked for awhile in a position where I travelled around for new store openings. I loved that, but the hours were even crazier.

    Zayres.. my oh my.. now there's a store I haven't thought or heard of in years!

    Don't know about you, but I am OH SO GLAD those retail days are behind me. I like my boss so much more now ;)

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    New store openings must have been a fun job. I might have liked that. The only good thing that came out of my Ames experience is that I married the CSM.

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    Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

    Just before Christmas I was shopping with a friend who I've known for some years. We were stopped leaving a store and my friend was accused of putting some Christmas wrap in her bag. The item in question was only a pound in value, and my friend happily let her bag be searched. To my astonishment the item really was in her bag. I never saw her take it, and have no idea why she would bother to steal such a low value item. She strenuously denied taking the wrap, but it was obvious that she hadn't bought it elsewhere because it had the shop's label on it. The store guard took her name and address and she was allowed to go. The whole incident was so bizarre that I haven't been able to get my head around it, so it's interesting to read everyone else's experiences here.

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    LondonGirl 8 years ago from London

    May be she was just absent-minded about it? Shoved it in her bag by mistake.

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    Amanda Severn 8 years ago from UK

    No, I don't think so, as she wasn't in anyway apologetic. She just kept insisting that she'd bought it somewhere else, even though it clearly had the shop's label on it. I haven't mentioned the incedent to any of our other friends as I'd hate to embarrass her, but it did make me wonder whether this was a frequent event.

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    KCC Big Country 8 years ago from Central Texas

    Great hub and comments! A good friend of ours worked for years in a large grocery chain. His primary job title was shipping/receiving, but he evidently volunteered as their in-house loss prevention expert. He told us all sorts of stories about the crazy things people took, the crazy ways they hid them, the crazy ways they acted when caught, etc. And he was always shocked about the diversity in people doing it. It was all ages, all sexes, all races. It made him look at everyone with a different perspective. He trusts no one now.

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    LondonGirl 8 years ago from London

    How odd.

    In my days as a pupil barrister doing junior crime, the most nicked things were alcohol, batteries, and razor blades. The junkies' choices.

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Amanda. That's crazy, but I've been in the busines long enough to know that people steal everything, no matter how expensive or inexpensive it is.

    Hi KCC Big Country. I've worked at both the big box department stores and supermarkets. I'm sure your friend told you some good stuff. I may write a book someday.

    Hi LondonGirl, Those choices of yours are still pretty popular. Add name brand medications and baby formula to the list, as well. (among others)

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    TheCrippledIdiot 8 years ago

    Hey rockinjoe. I loved reading the comments and what you had to say, obviously I'm at the end now and I think its my turn to post. I have claimed myself as a Pro Shoplifter if there really does exist such a title, might just be between people who "screw up" and people who are elgible to become a US Navy

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    TheCrippledIdiot 8 years ago

    ( I apologize, I'm using a laptop and the mousepad is really screwing up my typing and I can't disable it.) oh well, back to where I left off. -SEAL. I took quite a lot of things, things I needed, and my family couldn't afford for me. Things like clothes, warm jackets, backpacks, even school supplies! Some people see stealing as stealing. I see; taking things you need and being greedy for things you do not need.

    I have gone on special ops missions with several friends to "take/greedify" northface jackets. With me as commander we got ahold of 10, of which 2 set off the detector. So silly of me to forget maybe they will hide something else in those $300+ jackets other than on the tags. Anyways, of those 10, I kept one for myself....the cheapest one of all, and gave the rest to friends and my mother and step father. I have done a few greedy things, but that is not what I am here to confess for.

    My friends, know and respect my skill for being discrete, but alas I was greedy. I was in a car accident back in August, and broke several bones, and was in ICU (Intense Care unit) for several days with life threatening injuries, two friends died in that accident, I was the survivor. Btw, please don't tell me you are sorry, it's cool I heard enough and I understand it is sad. So anyways I broke my Femur and Femur Neck, and two bones near my elbow on my right arm. Had several more fractures and internal riptures, but they are not relevant to this case. I'm mostly homebound, and my old MP3 had video support, but as I had stolen that I did not bother to take a manual I could not figure out what format would be acceptable to play, so I set out to go to Fry's, one of my favorites, if you get my drift ;).

    So this was 3 months after my accident, and I had a leg brace and everything on. Earlier that day, my girl had told me don't do it and I told her that no one would handcuff a cripple. I proceeded on, at first I said it would be only a Recon mission, just scout things out, as I haven't been to Fry's in a while. Alas, greed took over. I said screw it and went for some cheap mp4 device. I'll share some of my tactics with you guys, but don't screw me over which is why I'm staying annoymous :).

    Talk, although LP are taught shoplifters come in every size and age and background, most don't expect an outgoing talkative "customer" to be a rebel. Scout the area from far away at first so you don't have to crack your neck making it obvious you are looking for cameras. Talk to workers, look at products, DO NOT GO TO SEVERAL DEPARTMENTS, stay in one! Big mistake people make, trying to "look like a customer" walking around too much, I myself have done this

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    Kill my Laptop mousepad 8 years ago

    several times and was lucky to not have been caught. Anyways, one more thing, do not joke with customers, keep it to the employees. As I was in the ipod section (which was locked up) I saw another gentlemen holding a paintball marker (Spyder MR1) in that section. My first thought was why is this dude in the computer section and JOKING WITH STORE EMPLOYEES! But that slipped my mind, because I myself am a fan of Kingman Spyder Markers, and wanted to tell him if he was a paintball noob, to go put that marker back as it was old and outdated.

    But no, I walked on and decided it was time to slice it. I whipped out the Ridge Rider (ESSENTIAL KNIFE FOR SUCCESSFUL CUTING) and sliced thru the package like butter, and probably was a HUGE MISTAKE , went by the MP3 section and threw the package between some boxes. I proceeded to the exit, nodded at the receipt checker, and smelled fresh air when BAM RIGHT AS I HIT THE ENTRANCE FOUR WHITE MALES SURROUNDED ME IN PLAIN CLOTHES. One whipped out that shiny badge and said LP.

    TIMEFREEZE.

    Within the next second my head had all the options and chose what was best. A, run, which was impossible with a broken femur. B, Sock Em Bop Em, left wrist had come out of a cast recently from breaking bones, could possibly use philipino slapping technique. C, Accept defeat. I chose C. If i was not crippled, those LP woulda seen the next Prefontaine (spell check?) and mind you, I am super fast with super accerleration and super turning skills with super balance, having taken TKD and Boxing and some wrestling and a whole bunch of other mixed crap. MMA baby. Oh well, I froze and the next voice said put your hands behind your back, and I did so, and snap snap, my statement earlier to my girlfriend turned false. I was obviously crippled and not a danger yet they handcuffed me, four white males over 5'10" and little 5'3" me with my crippled body.

    Walked me back into the store into the office where I was seated on a folding bench. Asked me for ID, I had none, because I had lost wallet in accident. Told me I was on the honor system and I gave him my name and address. They asked me to reach in and take out the product and I did. They laid it out and took pictures, Didn't take pics of me, those jerks, I might have some scars on my forehead but I'm not that ugly!

    Next thing you know, I look at floor of office and I see a Spyder MR1 Marker and oh boy, it is the dude from earlier! Turns out he was THE GOD DAMN LPS BOSS! Sigh. Anyways, I sat their quietly, thinking in my head I hoped the damn cop doesn't show up for 2 hours, at which point I BELIEVE they are required to let you go?

    They offered me water and let me have fan turned on and some dumbass employee came in and asked, why did you steal something so cheap.... If only I was not handcuffed or crippled... but the answer to that is because I take what I need and nothing fancy so you already have figured out, it was a less than $60 Mp4 player. Watching the clock, hour and a half later, big lady cop comes in, greeting the LP, "Oh, have not seen you in a bit, blah blah snort snort". T

    urns to me, tells me to face the wall, do not try anything "funny", adds that she has not had the priviledge to use her taser lately. I told her I wanted to actually feel one, because I love challenges for my body and want to experience everything. Switchs cuffs, meanwhile, Mr. Spyder MR1 calls my mom, which immediately after he hangs up, my cellphone in my front pocket rings. Taser-deprived cop asks for my moms cell number and I accidentally gave her my grandmas number which is like 2 digits different, as she held the phone to her ear, my pocket started vibrating and ringing, as I had my grandmothers phone. Anyways LP asks me to sign three papers, one of which was the form for amount of stolen/destroyed property. Other two, I didn't even look at it, I just signed, but I am only 17 and looking back I should have read those damn forms after reading the comments here.

    Anyways, takes me out to squad car, sits me in the back of that sexy Dodge Charger. I ask her questions about its ability, such as was it front wheel drive or rear, always like to know these things. Turns out it's front wheel, which is bad for me because then if I ever get into a high speed pursuit, crazy murderous corners will not be much of an option, BTW future criminals, in a high speed pursuit, you got three minutes to lose that cop and once that three minutes is up, just give it up unless you are near an airport or an air restricted area, because that bird (Chopper) will be in the air and trust me that bird is fast and will last longer than your vehicle. Anyways, step dad comes to pick me up, uncuffs me, tells my step father I am a decent and smart kid, just made a bad decision. Also, told me first time is ok, just repeated times starts to annoy her. Yeah, she is still on my shitlist.

    Anyways, that being my story, which was longer than most posts, I just want advice from you, on what to do in court as I have not been contacted by juvenile system or received Fry's bill in the mail. From what I know, LP has some required steps. 1, Must watch you at all times. 2. Must see you take the product from the shelf. 3. Must see you conceal the product or hold out in your hand as some like to -.-. 4. Must watch you the whole time to the moment you step outside, as to make sure you do not ditch the product. 5. Must see you exit store, without paying for it, Some store policies, are different. Also, I am in Washington. Anyways, maybe this will be useful for someone, I am NOT responsible if you get caught doing something stupid! Hoping to get a response from you soon rockinjoe. Even though to some I might be considered a criminal or rebel, let me assure you I do what I must, and I do good things without expecting anything back most of the time, to equal out the balance. BTW, to Fry's Electronics IMAGINE ME FLIPPING THE BIRD TO YOUR DUMBASS MANAGER, WHO KNEW YOU GUYS HIRED SOME LP? Must have hit my head a bit too hard in the accident -.-. one more tip for my fellow rebels, LAST SCENARIO PLAN, RUN MUTHAF#$^A RUN, DO NOT STOP, LIFT WEIGHTS RUN TRACK DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THAT 6 MINUTE MILE TIME DOWN!. And I am OUTTTTTTTTT

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi CI. That's quite a story. LP laws vary from state to state and even city-city in the United States. I don't know much about the laws in Washington and I'm not an attorney, so if you haven't heard anything, don't worry until you do. If you're wondering the procedures a store detective has to follow, please check out the link below. I would also consult (if you can at 17, if not, maybe your mom or step dad) with a lawyer. I don't know anything about your past record, etc.  Some LP guys/girls can be pretty crazy when they do a stop. Why they had 4 stop you, I have no idea. It seems a bit excessive to me. Usually LP calms down once they're in the office with you. (The andrenaline can be pretty intense when you're dealing with a potentially dangerous shoplifter and every shoplifter is potentially dangerous and can tweak out with no notice.)

    The one thing that bothers me, is that they took your picture and you're a juvenile. That's not a good LP practice. Even taking photos of adult shoplifters has fallen out of fashion with many companies.

    Check out the link, see what information you can obtain and let me know how you make out.

    https://soapboxie.com/government/5-Things-You-Didn...

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hey CI. My apologies, I misread your post concerning the photo. (In fact another commenter emailed me to correct me on that)

    I know you're not looking for anyone to change your mind about shoplifting and I'm definitely not going to try to do so, because without people like you, LP would be out of work. Even though I'm no longer in the field, It's a career that still has a lot of life left in it. Just be careful, don't get too greedy and thanks a million for the compliments. I hope you come back and read more soon. Good luck.

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    SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

    Wow you had a lot of duties with this job. Probably nice to be taking a break from it :).

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    Joseph Addams 8 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Thanks SweetiePie, Actually, I really miss it. It was one of those jobs where you're bored out of your head one minute and then running out the door after a crack head the next. It was great exercise, lots of fun and some of these positions pay well.

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    SweetiePie 8 years ago from Southern California, USA

    Well I have a lot of respect for your line of work for sure. It does sound exciting though, I am sure you never really had a dull day.

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    lalala 7 years ago

    What happens when the police are called? in my case, i got caught at macys and was detained in their holding cell for 2 hours until the cops showed up. then i was brought to jail and had to stay there for 12 hours. i was in a group holding cell for 4 hours handcuffed to a railing. then they took me into an individual cell where i sat for the remainder of my time. got finger printed and had my mug shot taken in between the two. I am never stealing anything again. I tried to take 2 shirts and a scarf. Biggest mistake of my life so far. I now have a misdemeanor and a court date next month.

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    Joseph Addams 7 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi lalala. Macy's prosecutes everyone. But them holding you in a room for two hours isn't right. In every place I've worked in the past, if the police haven't shown in 60 minutes, we were supposed to release the suspect. I would follow up with an attorney and see if he/she can get your charges dropped, based on being held two hours at the store.

    As far as the police? Once you're in their custody, that's pretty much it. It's not the cops that are at fault here. They don't care whether you attempted to steal, or not. They just took the complaint.

    Good luck

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    ElliHarvardAngel 7 years ago

    Hi, I am new to the shop lifting experience. I am planning on doing it with a friend. Any tips?

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    Joseph Addams 7 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi ElliHarvardAngel. The only thing I can suggest to you is to turn yourself in before you even attempt it. You're gonna get caught.

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    Pokemonfan 7 years ago

    Yeh I got sent to jail by Kmart for a Pokémon Game that was opened. The guy named "Edgar" called the cops he was a punk looking skinny dude. First time I EVER TOOK ANYTHING. Tha game was $19.99 I guess I got tempted because it was opened. well the guy had a grudge against me since I worked at the office depot next to the kmart , he asked for my number and I told him to f*** off Punk I hate emos...and Guitar hero sucks.(he had the shirt).. I was on my break smoking a cigarrete outside.

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    Joseph Addams 7 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Kmart will usually prosecute you at $20.00. They don't care if you work at Office Depot or if you're Bill Gates. They call the cops at $20. That's it. Plain and simple. Kmart's Loss Prevention Department lives off their civil demand collections, so if you live in an area that supports it, be expecting a BIG fine from an attorney's office. I have no gripe with them collecting their fee, but sending people to jail for $20 is not only poor relations with customers, but also the cops who get pissed off when they get called to a Kmart to arrest a 15 year old with a video game.

    Good luck

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    Kmartloves$$$ 7 years ago

    Kmart sucks. My Boyfriend stole a $50 game controller charger from Walmart and they just took his picture and let him go, just signing a paper. sending you to Jail for $20 is BS. wasting the cops time ALSO. they have better things to do like getting REAL criminals not some petty 1st time thief. my brother stole a bunch of stuff from the Kmart in Temple city,Ca never got cought at all I mean alot.

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    PokemonFan 7 years ago

    I was released after 2 hrs. Since I never jacked anything before. Then went to court and guess what? The judge Dropped the case because dear Edgar told me to stop or he was calling the cops Right next to the door by the phones which is considered "Kmart property" basically he stopped me in the store, which the judge determined based on survaillance video(yeah I fought it) I was still shopping in the premises plus I was in there with a friend using there public computers and I had all my stuff there (backpack and food). I forgot I had the game and walked toward the phone to call my Boyfriend (he cought me with the phone in my hand. This was dissmised and this could possibly go as an un-lawful detainer or so my public defender said. since the cops arrested me because of what Kmart LP told them to do. I might think of a lawsuit. but since I actually admited and signed that paper where it says "you stole" maybe it's out of the question. bad mistake by mr.Edgar. and this was in CA. I never got any fine...since it was dropped. I am not a minor Either so if I would had been prosecuted it would had been worse. but the judge also took to account the harassment by the LP officer and I also brought up I was an Asst.Manager at office depot all that helped for my name or so my defender said.

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    Joseph Addams 7 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Kmartloves$$$....thanks for writing. Your brother has been lucky-so far. The thing that shoplifters who get away with it all the time forget is, they will get caught. Eventually. I'd tell him to chill :) Good luck/

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    Joseph Addams 7 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi PokemonFan....

    I have a feeling Edgar is going to lose his gig. Kmart wants you on the sidewalk. Not inside the store. If you were going to use the phone in the vestibule/lobby...it shouldn't matter whether or not you had a tv under your jacket. You are still inside the store.

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    blehh! 6 years ago

    my friend got caught stealing once and i was terrified the police got called and everything

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    Blondie 6 years ago

    I work LP for a huge department store --- we prosecute 100% regardless of who you are and how much you stole. I try not to take cases for under $20, but we have quota so sometimes I have to take the case for $18. Plain and simple, if you do not want to do the time, do not do the crime. We will get you, no matter how invincible you think you are.

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    William Thomas 6 years ago from That Great Primordial Smash UP of This and That Which Gave Rise To All Beings and All Things!

    Good Day rockinjoe

    This is another great hub by you. I voted it up for awesome! What impressed me most was the tone of compassionate professionalism you established and maintained throughout.

    You are like the soothing, reassuring voice inside a busted shoplifter's head saying 'Stay calm. Don't get excited. Its not the end of the world. You stole a bottle of Tylenol, you didn't kill anyone. Cooperate fully and you'll be out of here in five minutes and put this behind you,' and so on and so forth.

    You have shown compassion for shoplifter, I think, most of all, the LP detective, and the store. You provide an excellent guide of how to survive one of the most embarassing situations that one might find himself in. And an important take away is that like certain kinds of traps or Chinese finger puzzles, the more you struggle the deeper you'll get yourself stuck.

    Well done.

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    julianna 6 years ago

    great information, i got arrested shoplifting at jcpenney, she approched me pretty much the same way. Then she said ma;am i am going to need you to place your hands behind your back, then she handcuffed me. she took a while to get the cuffs on though

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Blondie. Thanks for writing in. You guys have a quota? Is it a dollar amount or number of shoplifters quota? That's opening this company you work for up to some huge liability as there is a potential for lots of discontinued detainments with a quota. Be careful.

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi wingedcentaur, Thanks very much for the nice compliment. I sincerely appreciate it.

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi julianna, Got grabbed eh? I'm surprised JCPenney is still cuffing people. It's definitely no fun. Hang in there:)

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    Blondie 6 years ago

    The quota is for the # of apps we must have a month. Since I am FT, I need to have 4 a month (1 per 40). They will never put it in writing that we must meet that #, however every month we are quartiled within the district and if we do not make the top quartile, we must have a sit down meeting with our supervisor. A bunch of BS I must say. Yes, the company is its own worst enemy for that.

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Blondie. Yup. The pressure is on. I worked in the same kind of atmosphere. (I'm certain most LP does today!) You're right it's a total bunch of BS. Good luck-and play the game. That's all you have to do to win in this business. I, unfortunately, could not keep playing. I just got sick of the rules.

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    Will 6 years ago

    wow very interesting topic. i myself haven't been caught yet but i stopped becuz my brother got caught.he would have gotten away with it if he didn't open his jacket to show me and if he didn't stay in the isle he was stealing from the whole time.

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Will....There are some awesome pro shoplfters out there. Some still amaze me ay how good they are. It's a game on both sides and I miss playing it sometimes.

    Glad you've stopped. It's so embarrassing to be caught for stealing.

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    will 6 years ago

    i agree

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    BB135Jason 6 years ago

    @blondie. please your just an LP person not an FBI or CIA agent. don't think your all high and mighty. one day you might piss the wrong crook off and end up like the guy who ran after those 2 people who stole cd's and dragged on the street. I work for Best Buy LP in Pasadena There's no quota at all. (we get paid hourly) and there's only 4 of us. I won't chase after people outside like many do not worth risking my life for a nintendo game. I won't prosecute nothing under $20 (it's a waste of time all I do is Ban them and take a picture. I am not gonna take 2hrs of my time (I could had got bigger thieves) and take the police from real work for a $20 item.

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    Blondie 6 years ago

    BB135Jason: LOL I never said anything about being all high and mighty. Sounds like you may be one of those we call "Mr.LP" It would be nice to NOT prosecute some of the petty BS cases. However company policy is to prosecute 110% of the time. Typically I do not touch a case under $20, it is a waste of time BUT when the company has set standards, sometimes we have to take that case under $20. So I think you read into my posts the wrong way... Oh wait, isn't Best Buy LP just like the mo-joe's that work at Lowe's and Home Depot? They have to wear company shirts/smocks?!?! lol.

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    stranger 6 years ago

    i got caught today lol

    it was pretty scary, and although i didn't get sent to Juvie (im under 18) still gave me a pretty good scare. they said i cant go into that walmart alone, and i have to be with a parent at ALL times. it was only like 3 things ^^;

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    adrenalinerush 6 years ago

    Yeaa I feel awful... I stole from my job and I. Sit till this day nervous as ever I'm done ! I can't take the feeling anymore ughhhhh I just hope I don't get caught !

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    GuiltY 6 years ago

    I just got caught shopliftinf this afternoon at futureshop over a pair of headphones.They said they would call my school's principal.Do you think they will call my parents?Also i have been banned at all futureshops and best buys forever. What should i do ?

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    T-daug ;) 6 years ago

    I only steal out of nessecity, and consider myself a bit of a pro, not to the point where I can walk out of the store waving stolen items in the security guards face and get away with it, but to the point where I understand how to steal the occasional thing I need.

    Iv been caught once.

    The key to getting away with it is to appear inoccent whilst in the store, but as soon as you leave become very intimidating without being aggressive through simple body language, e.g. wearing dark clothes, crossing your arms, tightening your brow.

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    worriedlady 6 years ago

    hi, need your help on this please. i'm really scared since i haven't done anything illegal my whole life. i'm just having a really bad day yest. so yest while i was shopping i tried a few shirts on that i want to wear for the night since my top is all dirty due to the overnight project making with a pal for a client. after trying a lot of shirts, i went to the cashier and paid the item using my card, didn't bother to double check the amount knowing im using a credit card. then i went to the comfort room/ wash room of the mall to change for the top i bought and realized that i forgot to pay for the other top ($8) i'll be using for the night but still i went to change since i'm really late for the meet ups. didn't know it will be a problem since i paid for the jacket ($15) that's a bit costly so i thought that they won't figure it out. then right after i got out of the store a saleslady told me that i didn't pay for the top i'm wearing. i told her i didn't realized that i didn't pay for it and showed the jacket and receipt. she told me to go back to the mall and explain to their security. i said it was an honest mistake but they don't believe me. at their office, they searched my whole bag looking for other unpaid items. they even thought that i also took the umbrella and fan i bought at their store last year. i explained and she concluded that the shirt was the only one unpaid. so i explained to their security that it really was an HONEST MISTAKE and that i didn't mean it i'm just in a rush since i really need to be on time for a meeting and that i'm willing to pay for the item. i told them i thought that all items are paid that's why i used it. they interrogated me and asked for a valid ID and showed them my company ID since it's the only thing i have at that time (but told her that I'm no longer working with that company and I'm currently a free lancer with my own company.)I also told them that i changed in the CR and remove the price tag since i know that it was paid and i have the right to use what i purchased. so they have my real name and not sure if the company's name was also noted and i'm really worried that they'll call the company. lesson learned and that i will not do it again. they said to just pay the penalty and they will let me go. so i did and told them again that it's just an honest mistake and that it won't happen again. can they review the camera tapes and take me to custody or file a case or call the cops even if they told me they will not file anything and im still welcome to their store since i always buy there but warned me not to do it again or else... am i safe? i'm worried that they will call the cops or post pics of me in the mall or call the company or search for me since they have my real name. i will never go back to that mall ever again. by the way they have my name when i was single. i have a new last name now since i just got married. please help.

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    John 6 years ago

    this year only I shoplifted over $40.000.00 in cloths.

    and you worry about $10.00

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi T-daug ;) I guess you and I have different ideas of what constitutes necessity. Your luck is going to eventually run out.

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    worriedlady: You should get an attorney. If you were not stopped leaving the store by loss prevention, you have the right to leave the store. If Loss Prevention did not see it...it didn't happen. Always remember that.

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    HelpMe 6 years ago

    I was at walmart the other day and i stole a 50 $ item. I walked out and the alarm went of and some old lady search my bag with other items i bought. She wrote my recpiet number down and that's it. She did catch me with the item i had stolen. I got ride of the item as soon as i got home. this happen about 5 days ago. Should i be worried?

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Nah, you should be ok, HelpMe. If Walmart had anything on you, they would have nabbed you right then and there-and it wouldn't have been by a senior door greeter.

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    k_april 6 years ago

    Hi All,

    What if a person was swapping price tags in one specific retail store from the past one year or so, may be once a month or once every two months. Not expensive items. He sometimes buys the items after swapping the tags. Sometimes pays with CC or sometimes with cash. He never got cought and no one stopped him so far. No other record.

    1. What are the chances that LP will review CC tapes from the past one year to catch this guy?

    2. With CC records can they call police and give them all details and can cops arrest him?

    3. If they catch him for one (latest)shoplifting and charge him with it. Will LP stop here or will they go back and search for all videos from the past one year?

    4. If other cases come up from CC cameras, then will he be charged with all as one case or multiple cases? due to shoplifting multi times?

    5. How long back videos will LP typically review CC videos? days old/weeks/months/years?

    6. If he is punished once (misdeavor), considering it as a first time shoplifting then at a later date if LP reviews other past CC videos and comes to know that he did multi shopliftings.....in the same store.....then how will the LP proceed? and how will court proceed?

    Or will he be excused as he already received the punishment? or will he be charged again....even though it was done in the past?

    7. Cancelling credit cards, move, change address and phone no on cards used in that store etc.,help?

    In a very confused state, did all this during the time of separation, depression and stress. Stopped shoplifting completely now. Changed, but the past is hunting, scared to death every single day. Dying every day with this tension............got good job, good life..............but these shoplifting mistakes....are killing every single day.........

    Shall go ahead and appoint an attorney even before they catch?

    What steps to take now to minimise punishment? to show the judge that i changed and is not shoplifting anymore. (Join NASP and complete their course?)

    How can we prove that not doing shoplifting and has completely changed?

    Please suggest, scared to death every minute, every day.

    Thank you.

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    Joseph Addams 6 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    k_april-First of all, chill out a bit. Changing price labels (or "ticket switching" as it's commonly called) is a pretty low level crime. So low level, in fact, that the last company I worked for had a policy that specifically forbid the apprehension of persons involved in the act.

    Let me try and answer your questions the best I can.

    1.) The odds are extremely low. Ticket switching is very difficult to prove. If an LP discovers ticket switching, at Kmart for example), he/she is to notify the front end or the cashier and have him/her check the item's price. This usually sends a clear signal to the ticket switcher.

    2.)No.

    3.) I know of no stores who prosecute or even apprehend for ticket switching, but it may be different in other countries, than the US. If you had shoplifted, the store would only be able to prosecute you for that occurrence and NOT be able to backtrack. (This is different, if you are an employee of the company, though.)

    4.) See above answer.

    5.) The only time LP will review CCTV from longer than 30 days is with an employee, or serial shoplifter in their store. STILL, the shoplifter can only be charged with what he/she is caught with during one incident. (As I mentioned earlier, this is different with an employee)

    6.) See above answer.

    7.) Don't worry about it. (That is, unless you are committing any type of CC fraud)

    8.) If it makes you feel better to speak with an attorney, you can usually do so for free. Laws differ in various areas-and as I mentioned, I am not a lawyer. I say stop doing whatever is being done right now and learn a valuable lesson.

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    k_april 6 years ago

    Thank you rockinjoe.

    Was stupid and did this mistake. Will never...ever...do this again. Valuable lesson learnt. I am so scared right now that i can't eat, sleep, work or even enjoy my family life.

    Will not do this again. Will not go to this store again in my life. Will not even go to the mall for years....

    May talk to an attorney. This is in USA and state time limit is 2 years. I am very much worried.

    I am worried that using CCTV and my credit card details they may come after me for tag switching, shoplifting........as the last incident was in Jan and no one stopped me at that time.

    Can't sleep.....is worried every day, every minute.....

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    spkt 6 years ago

    I am in a similar situation.

    Please help........

    I am very sacred.

    This is in a state with time limit of 2 years. Last month in Feb shoplifted two items from a store (approx total value $100), my innocent wife who was with me and bought some item which she paid by CC. She is innocent and has no clue what I was doing. Before this incident, in Jan did a price tag swap (approx value $150) in the same store and paid cash. This is the store that we shop all the time and last year did shoplift/price tag switch multiple items from the same store in multiple months.

    I am worried that using CCTV and my credit card details they may come after me for tag switching and shoplifting........the last incidents were in Feb & Jan and no one stopped me at that time.

    Can they come after me for incidents from last year (Nov or Dec or before that time frame) by reviewing CCTVs. They have my C-card details.

    Can't sleep.....i can’t tell this to my wife…if I do, she will leave me…...she still doesn't know what i was doing...i was stupid. Will not do this again in my life. Period.

    Will not go to this store or to mall again in my life....

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    Pam 6 years ago

    Me and my newphew were arrested for shoplifting at pacific sunwear. Two agents "both female" said they were detaining us, then once inside they began to handcuff us. I had a thick coat on, she had a hard time putting on the handcuffs it was so embarrassing

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    laura 6 years ago

    Today i was caught at store for stealing things worth 18$. They made me sign couple of papers and asked to to write my address and phone number and took my picture and said that i could not come to any of the store centers anymore. Security people told me that they will be mailing a fine of 200$ which i need to pay.They said if i don't pay then the police will get involved. I am very scared and guilty. What is going to happen next?

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    maria 6 years ago

    I have a similar story two days ago i went to the mall and i stoped at dillars i saw a pretty dress and i thaugh it was gonna be easy to take with me without paying i finally put it on my purse on dressing room and i left.. But when i was in my car outside of the store i saw a security coming to my car i got scared and i just saw him and i left.. i am sorry of that incident and i am very worried i want to return the dress but i'm worried that somebody recognize me and i can get in trouble....so my question is dou you think that they can have me recorded what can happen or what can i do so i don't get arrested? this is one of my favorite store and i don't want to have bad reputation with no body.......

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    scard to death and stupid 5 years ago

    I was caught shoplifting the first time 8 years ago and got probation and community service i was caught again a year ago at walmart i sighned apaper but didn't read it stupid i got community service iwas caught again in may at a different walmart and found out the paper i sighned was a trespass agrement and am now going to be charged with a felony theworst part is i had my 7 year old daughter with me am i goingto go to jail i relize i have serious problem that i need help with i have tried so hard to stop shoplifting bu when i get realy stressed out or depressed i cant seem to help my self i hate my self for sealing and even more for havingmy little girl with me i have no money am poor and very scared of going to jail and being away from my child i don't think i can bear it can you give me any advice im in washington thanks

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    Monkey brain2437 5 years ago

    Hi I went to a target and was looking at some trading cards when I got the urge to open the packaging up and lok at two cards I then walked down the hall put them in my pocket then walked back there and put it back I don't know what i should do

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    muangsally  5 years ago

    ok i got shoplifting at walmart in oklahoma i have never gotten in trouble before or have even stolen anything before i am terrified because i just had my baby a month ago and have no one to take care of her. I am 20 years old what happens to me now do I go to jail??? I am so scared i stole two candles they came to a total of 41.00 please give me advice..

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    Anna 5 years ago

    Got caught at a mall in Colorado...about 100 bucks worth of stuff. Never, ever doing that again. I can't even sleep...my court date is next week. First-time offender...should I just admit to everything and accept whatever punishment they give me, or can I fight it since I hadn't actually tried to leave the store yet when they asked to check my bag? I had money on me...I was honestly considering paying for it. I hadn't made the decision to actually leave with it yet.

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    Pam 5 years ago

    When me and my newphew were caught, and they put me and him in handcuffs do they have to be properly trained to do that? They took for ever to get them on us. I had a thick coat on, and i am rather thin lady, but still

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    dt  5 years ago

    hey rockinjoe....have a situation i need some advice on if possible. was in a store about two months ago, first time ever, there are are dozens of cameras but not much staff around. i was unfortunately brazen and took some cosmetic items. some were, i'm sure in view of the surveillence cameras but im not convinced a store like this has literally all of these cameras on. i did go to other parts of the store where there are no cameras. i did not believe i was being watched at the time. i left fat dumb and happy. fast forward six weeks and i had the itch to go back. i had put some makeup and toiletries in my bag

    (this is a bag that could pass for a recycleable bag) and didn't really hide the merchandise. this bag was open and visible. after about 15 min i realized soemthing was wrong and i was being watched. it was obvious, clerks at the end of every aisle i was at. i managed to dump all of the stuff in aisles that clearly did not have surveillence cameras. when i left the store the girl who had been following me was at the door. she did not approach me. i left and walked down strip mall. she followed me and stopped me, saying they had me on surveillence that day and on another occasion and that the police were on the way. i didn't comment at all, just walked to the parking lot and got in my car. i was unsure if she got my license but pretty sure she could have. again, my first trip there in may i did take items out of the store. i could and probably was seen acting suspicous and possibley concealing items. i was definitely not followed through the store and would have had many opportunites to dump if i wanted to. so they have no idea if i dumped even though i did conceal. no one stopped me that day and i don't believe anyone followed me. must have been after the fact they thought suspicious. it had been two weeks since i did the dump and was confronted and told i was on surveillence. nothing happened until today. police called and said they had report of me shoplifting at the store. i told them yes i was there, had intended to buy several items, put them in my bag that i shop with in the store (totally open) but changed my mind and decided not to spend a hundred bucks on makeup and toiletries. he said he saw i have a record of retail theft

    (8 years ago) and said i had the intent to steal and concealed the merchandise even if i put it back. he wants to charge me with 4th degree theft which is items between $200-$500. i told him i did not leave the store with items on eithe roccasion, had wanted to make the purchases but decided to put all of it back since i have a problem with overspending. he said this is all lies. he wasnts me to come there and talk to him, said i will get off easy, with citiation if i cooperate otherwise he will put warrant out for my arrest. i do not want to talk to him, have had diareeah of the mouth before and got totally screwed. i have called an aty but not met with anyone yet. no one stopped me at the store (second time she did say i was on surveillence but never asked to see in my purse or anyting, and first time nothing, no question or apprehension. i do believe they have something on surveillence but cannot prove exactly what i took in a beautey storewith literally thousands of different items....thousands. is he bluffing me? i know he wants a confession. i honestly didn't take anything the second time but the first i did. should i zip lip and not anser phone? just wait it out? i live on the border of two states. this occurred in the neighboring state not mine. will my local popo come to get me? do you think he is bating me or for real?? i have no idea what to do... help please.

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    tirelesstraveler 5 years ago

    This was amazingly informative.

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    traciwhite 5 years ago

    I was twelve when I made the mistake of shoplifting. Back than I think most kids worried a lot more about dealing with their parents than dealing with a store or juvenile court. I too was subjected to "embarrassment" over my shoplifting, but it wasn't the same kind.

    My parents sent me to my room to wait. I think they needed to cool down. A couple of hours later my mom came to get me and told me to come downstairs with her. When I started down the staircase, I saw my two brothers and younger sister all sitting in the living room. Its when I knew I was in serious, serious trouble.

    To make a long story short, after my dad explained to everyone what I had done, he made me drop my pants and bend over his knee in my pink panties. I than got the spanking of my life from him while my whole family watched. He only used his hand, but it really hurt. I cried from both the embarrassment and pain of it all. It was not a short spanking either. Finally, when he was done, he made me apologize to my family for what I had done. I literally ran to my room.

    At the time, that was so embarrassing I just couldn't stand it. Today, I look back on it as an important lesson. I'm grateful he cared enough to discipline me even though I got a whooping. That's what a lot of these kid shoplifters need today.

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    Stephanie 5 years ago

    I started stealing just by switching an ugly pair of shoes for a better pair at stores and about 14 years old. Then after I told my sister about it we'd always go to the mall and steal over $200 a visit, each. We had a scare once at Delia*s where the alarm went off and the woman went up to us and searched my sisters bag and they had only forgotten to take the plastic tag thing off aof a dress she bought (whew!). I hardly feel guilty though.. I'd never steal from a person, but a buisness selling a $50 shirt? That's just silly. I'm always nervous though, and if I ever get caught, I'd of deserved it. Nerves have gotten the best of me lately and all I take is a candy bar from a dollar store...

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    june 5 years ago

    Do you think it's possible or even legal for stores to have hidden cameras? and even in the restrooms?

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    worriedlady 5 years ago

    hello! 4yrs ago i was accused too of shoplifting in singapore first and the last offence,,, i paid the charges after the court trial,now i was so worried if it will appear on my police clearance when i request for it coz i gonna use it for work purposes/visa application for canada.

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    Ravi Singh 5 years ago from India

    Amazing hub.. I can't imagine this this topic.Very well written and nice one! thanks..

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    Violent Violet 5 years ago

    Damn. I was doing this when I was 5-6 I got caught stealing glasses purposely. Since then always stole. Don't know why. Just did. Haven't gotten caught yet. I'm 12 and am a some what pro. And I take pride in it

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    disturbed 5 years ago

    im really disturbed right now..i stole two shirts each

    $10 and i dint caught by LP right away..and i don't want to be caught..im really scared and disturbed these days since its been a week before i dint...the day i stole clothes i cdnt even sleep tht night..but im more disturbed bcoz yest one employee was caught and arrested by LP...now i don't know what to do...either they will going to check previous tapes tht who stole clothes...or i m successful with my stealing..i don't know what to do...sumtimes i think to resign to never go back to the store..but then i think they have my address and no...they can come to my home anytime...:'(...plzz help me out i don't want to get busted...its really embarrassing or how about if i go back and pay all the items tht i stole...plzz tell me asap..

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    Laina 5 years ago

    Hi just curious the other night me and my 63 year old grandmother went to a walmart and we had checked out and payed for our stuff we then sat down and had a quick bite to eat after eating we had walked out and we had lp tell us we had something we did not pay for which we were confussed over seeing as we had already paid well it turns out as we put our stuff in the cart one piece of makeup had slid under a flyer that was in the cart and we had told them we did not see it nor noticed we hadn't placed it on the belt to pay ( kinda out of sight out of mind ) with all the other stuff we had bought , anyhow they had took her in to a room and then called the police , i had kept telling them it was an honest mistake and they could care less so the police got her info the put my grandmother in handcuffs and took her out in the car then let her go minuites later , how and why would they put her threw the embaresment of being handcuffed and put in the back of the car just to make her sit there for short moments to let her go with no charges or anything else

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    lina 5 years ago

    okay i need help. or info whatever. My douchebag friend shoplifted. i was there. i don't like going against the law but yet i didn't stop her. i was too afraid, peer pressure maybe. I hate myself now. ugh. so, we were probably caught on camera. but not on the scene. but today when i went to the mall i saw a few policemen walking inside. i started freaking out. maybe they were called bcause of the security tapes. ugh, i feel like a fugitive.

    :<

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    may11 5 years ago

    I just need some advice on what to do. I have never stolen anything in my life, and yesterday I was caught shoplifting which I did not do intentionally. I can't sleep right now and I can't eat because I feel so ashamed at something that I didn't mean to do. I live on an island and with many gossipers that just makes it worse. Let me tell you what happened and rockin joe I have read that you have lack of symphathy for shoplifters, but please give me some advice. I am 33 years old and a certified nursing assistant. I have been working as a caregiver since I was 18. I am a good person and this was and will be the worst experience of my life. Anyway, it all began yesterday when I went to the supermarket at noon to get immodium for the 95 year old lady I care for. Her son having just come home from a business meetings wanted to take her out to lunch. I have been observing my client for the pass days and she seemed to be having diarrhea, so I finally decided to get her some immodium to be sure she won't be having it while having lunch with her son. My usual day started of with me going to work at my 95 years old client house. In the morning I realize that she had made a mess on the bed and in the bathroom which I cleaned. Then I decided to go to the store after her son showed up saying he will take her to a late lunch at 2pm. I went to a supermarket close by where most of the workers there knows my family. I go there almost everyday. I got a cart cos I have a big purse which I like to put in front of me when I go to the store. Instead of going straight to buy the immodium I picked up 2 tape because in my head I was thinking that I needed to mail a care package to my daughter, who just left for college. Then I picked up 2 cans of spam because she wanted to make a musubi, which if you are not from hawaii it is very popular here. I placed it on each side of my purse. I also picked up a liter of milk for my client and I put in inside the cart. I try to separate my clients items from mines. I then went to the medicine aisle and spent some time there cos they were out of immodium and they only had liquid form, so I settled for the peptobismol. The whole time I was shopping I noticed a guy following me. It kind of spooked me a bit cos he looked a little bit of a gangster type. White tanktop, hat and no I am not racist or being a stereo type. I then went to the coffee aisle because I bought milk in the cart for my client I thought to myself did she have enough coffee at home thinking to myself. The guy in the white tank top was in the same aisle as I was. I was distracted by him cos I felt like he was stalking me. Next thing that I did was a big mistake. Not really thinking nothing of it I pulled out my clients money which I keep in a ziploc bag with all her receipts and put the spam and tape in my purse. I then started heading to the cashier to pay, while distracted by this guy stalking me. Also, I was thinking of the cake I stuck in my clients oven before I left for the store. So I had better start heading back. I paid for my clients milk and peptobismol pulled out the ziploc with clients money paid for it and forgot to take out the tape and spam to pay for mines seperately. In Hawaii they now want you to bring your own bag to the store because they no longer give plastic. Usually I would have my own bag so that I could separate my purchases from my clients. It so happens that I didn't bring any which maybe why I stuffed it in my purse without really thinking nothing of it. I even did it in front of the guy who was stalking me cos its not like I was going to steal it. As I walked out of the store he stopped me and I got so scared that he was going to pull out a gun or kidnapped me or something. Instead he tells me to go back to the store and I suddenly realized I forgot to pay for the 2 tape and 2 spam. He then took me to the office in the back room and he closed the door and I felt uncomfortable because I didn't have anyone there with me and I know I am innocent with an honest mistake. So I was not as cooperative so I asked him to call the cops. The cops thought that he would let me go and just take my info but the security undercover guy had made up his mind. I was handcuffed and taken out of the store in front of all the people My family and I know. Yes it will be a big gossip. Already as it is my father shot himself in the head two years ago and its still the gossip of town. I just feel so ashamed for something I did not do on purpose. Why was it that no one else was present when he took me in the back until I asked him to call the cops. Don't we still have some kind of rights?? Not even the store manager was in the room with me. Anyway, the cops allowed me to call my workplace so I could tell them to turn off the oven and my clients personal assistant came to hand me 100 dollars at the store for bail money and he came to picked me up at the police station. If I really wanted to steal I would steal something expensive and I wouldn't be putting it in my purse in front of anyone. I have a court date coming and I can't afford a lawyer. I'm not sure how to get a public defender. I have never ever been convicted of a crime and I don't want this to go on my record. I am a single hardworking mom of 4 and I really don't need to deal with this right now. In fact the person I take care of, her son had asked me if I wanted him to go talk to the store manager. I don't think that it will do anything. Please Help with suggestions? Rockinjoe? This is affecting me so much right now that I can't function properly. I can't get pass the embarrassment!

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    sad 5 years ago

    I was caught shoplifting at walmart 3 days ago. $10 worth of candles. I had court today. I have to go to jail for 3 days.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi may11,

    That's quite an amazing story and explained in great detail. Thanks for posting it. Some stores have an "everyone gets prosecuted" policy in place. I worked for a supermarket once where if someone stole $10 worth of merchandise, you were supposed to call the police.

    I'm afraid I can't give you any legal advice. I'm not a lawyer. I can only say good luck and be polite to the judge.

    Sorry!

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi sad,

    Thanks for the post. 3 days in jail for $10 worth of merchandise? You either had the judge from hell or the world's worst lawyer. Good luck!

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    magika6989 5 years ago

    Hi I got caught stealing 20 dollars worth of merchandise from walmart this past august. The guy caught right beforeI walked out the door. I was brought into the office and I gave him the items back and that I was sorry. all he did was take mailing info don. I had to have an id for them not to prosecute,and he called the police but i proved one before they showed so he decided that he wasn't going to prosecute and canceled the order with the police. He let me go and told me not to let him regret it, but I got this letter in the mail a few days ago and its a civil demand for 200 dollars so I called the law firm and said I couldn't pay it till the next thursday and so they extended my due date. My questions are if they didn't prosecute and I had no police actions or court dates so far and my record is still clean will they prosecute me now? should i pay the civil demand even though they have a recording of me saying I could pay the next thurs? and does paying that fine mean that I admit to guilt? what can they do with that admittance if it means that?? sorry i am very worried lol please help thank you :D

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi magika6989,

    You got off pretty cheaply. $200 is pretty low for a civil demand. (I've seen them higher) If Walmart wanted to prosecute, they would have done so when you got caught.

    Pay the fine and be done with it. Keep in mind that these law firms are relentless and they will never give up going after you for the money. If you're short handed, you can work out payments with them.

    You can ONLY have a record if you've been arrested.

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    magika6989 5 years ago

    Omgosh thank you so much! :D I really appreciate this and the quick response :] I planned to pay this thursday :]

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    Conversion 5 years ago

    Hi rockinJoe,

    2 days ago i was out shopping with my family. My husband and i needed to use the restroom and stopped at menards. After leaving the restroom we stopped and seen that the store carried Frontline flea dog/cat. I was shocked to see it was out in the open. I don't know why the thought crossed my mind, as I am a criminal justice student also wanting to go to law school. I grabbed the 3 pks I knew we needed. walked around a bit.. my son had his hoodie hanging off his shoulder.. I grabbed his hoodie walked away from the camera back turned and wrapped the boxes in the hoodie.. I then went in the bathroom and removed the tubes and put them in front of my inside pants.. we shopped some more (family unaware of what i did) and purchased some flea fogger spray. I seen a man following me and was even behind me during check out. I at some point wanted to remove the items, but was afraid to do so with the man following. We walked out the store and the who had been following us runs in front of us with 2 other security guards. he ask " who has the frontline?" we all said "huh, i don't know" he asked again and said " im gonna ask you this one more time because we have you on camera and we got the boxes from the trash can, don't make me have to contact Marion County (local police). I fessed up and said I had them. we stepped in an office and he asked where was it hidden and i pulled it from my inner pants. I asked if i could pay for items and leave and he said no, I shouldve thought about that. A female worker was present and he asked her where she put the boxes. she stated at the service desk. He left and came back with a recipt and said that Menards calls the police for any item over $10 and that I was being arrested for theft class d felony. He mentioned that my family was involved and i told him they weren't. I had to sign a tresspass paper and pic was taken. 1hr later police arrive. While detained by LP my attorney was calling and texting (hubby contacted her) I was not allowed to speak on the phone with her per LP. Police officer said to my husband, he just would have given me a citation, but menards believe the family was involved and wanted me prosecuted. I was not mirandarized and sent to jail. After spending 18hrs in jail, I had seen a judge who did a $150 cash bond and the charge was criminal conversion A misdemeanor. Now, who accurate is the LP? he did not see me conceal the items, did not know where the items where, and did not know who had them? I go to court tomorrow, and I am looking in to defenses for myself

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    Pam 5 years ago

    Me and my nephew were caught shoplifting at pacific sunwear. The 2 loss prevention agents (were both female) handcuff me and him. Do they have to have proper training to handcuff? also is she allowed to?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hey Conversion,

    The trouble I see in your defense is that you fessed up to the store detective. Now he/she can write anything they want in their report about how they saw you conceal the merchandise. Even if it's a lie-which it will probably be.

    When they asked you who had the merchandise, it was a clear sign that they had no clue to concealment. They should be able to approach you and tell you that the Frontline is in your right front pocket, for example.

    That would have been your chance to say, I haven't got anything and walk away and take your chances. I'm 99% sure they wouldn't have had the guts to attempt to take you in. These guys missed steps and you can get fired for missing steps-unless you cover them up, which they will.

    Consult a lawyer before you go in. Get a copy of the police report and good luck!

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Pam,

    I carried cuffs at a few jobs. One usually has to take a quick course (usually video based) on how to cuff someone correctly. Some companies allow it, others don't.

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    Pam 5 years ago

    If it were based up to the actual lp agents to use cuffs, how come you think they chose to handcuff us

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    Conversion 5 years ago

    Thanks for replying back,

    My friend is a lawyer that I will not be using in my defense, but instead im using a PD. I mentioned to her that the LP didn't ID his self and therefore I assumed he was a police office undercover. That is why I confessed. I did not know he was LP until I was back in the room. Even while in the room another security officer (uniformed) stood blocking the door with his body and holding the door with his foot. These are issues that i plan on bringing up with my PD. as well as the refusal to allow me to contact my "attorney" who was calling me during the time they had me detained. I mean I was with them for 30+ minutes before they contacted law enforcement because another shopper had tresspassed and ran off and they were also dealing with that matter.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Pam,

    I don't even have a guess. Maybe they have a cuff every shoplifter policy, or maybe they thought you a threat for whatever reason. I would have had to be there to give you an opinion. Sorry....

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Conversion,

    Well, I still think you've got your work cut out for you, but good luck anyway :)

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    scared 5 years ago

    hi, I stole cosmetics from a grocery store. On my way to self checkout, I hear security being called over the intercom. I got scared, paid for my things quickly and ran out. I was not followed or stopped by anyone. My friend who works there said they can't do anything since they didn't stop me when it happened, so the next time I go, the most they can do is keep an eye on me. I was wondering if that is true or can I still be charged for that time even though I wasn't approached.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Scared,

    Lots of stores do fake security pages and it could have been a coincidence that it happened while you were stealing. It's also possible that someone suspected you of stealing and did a security announcement, hoping it scared you into dropping the merchandise.

    As far as building a case? Every place I've worked for LP would only charge you for the current crime and not anything in the past. Even if we had video, a merchandise list and dollar amount of what you took.

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    Lesson learned. 5 years ago

    So i just got caught shoplifting a $20 beanie at Urban outfitters. As i walked through the the door, it beeped, so the guy checked my bags and saw the stolen beanie. He asked me do i have a recite, i tried acting like it accidently fell in. He called the manager and she took me up with a security guard. She questioned me if i stole it, and i told her that lie. then i decided just to fess up. i gave her my ID and cooperated, she asked me for my info and i gave it to her. Then she gave me papers to fill out, i read them and signed it. I also asked her questions what will happen. I'm a fulltime student, and i just applied for a job, THAT VERY DAY. So im wondering if my financial aid will be canceled due to that, and if i wont be able to get hired at the job. Also, im scared. What should i do? Should i ask my brother, who is a cop, for advice? And how do i clear a criminal record?

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    Lesson learned. 5 years ago

    Im from California btw. if that helps.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Lesson Learned,

    I would definitely ask your brother for help, as he would know much more about your situation than I would. Remember in the future that no one can look in your bags without your consent, UNLESS they saw you shoplift.

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    Lesson learned. 5 years ago

    Well when he tossed it through the door, it beeped, so he searched my bag. Are you sure that's not allowed? So what do i do if that situation comes up again?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Just because a buzzer goes off and someone asks you (or tells you) they have to go through your bag, they don't have any legal right to do so.

    They can ask, they can tell you it's policy, they can say anything they want. You don't have to stop for anyone UNLESS they have seen you shoplifting and are detaining you.

    Where did this happen? I know California, but was it a chain store?

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    Lesson learned. 5 years ago

    Urban outfitters. So next time the beeper goes off, i tell them they cant check my bag, but wouldn't that mean they'll call police on me or something?

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    Dan 5 years ago

    So i got caught shoplifting recently. I was wondering if i have to go to court or have a criminal record for it, or will i just have to pay the civil demand fine and be off with my life?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Lesson learned,

    Only if they saw you steal something. No one has a right to go through your personal stuff, whether the buzzer goes off or not. EAS sensors are extremely sensitive to all types of condition and go off all the time for absolutely no reason.

    Some shoe manufacturers build a tag inside the heels of their shoes and they used to set off the EAS sensors at a Kmart I worked at once, People would beep on the way in, on the way out, for any reason. You can't look in anyone's bag unless you're a police officer. Don't let anyone tell you any differently.

    I'm not giving the advice to help you steal, but to help protect you if you're stopped unjustly. Good luck.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Dan,

    You're going to have to give me a bit more info than this. What did you steal? What was the total? Where was it? Kmart, Wal-Mart?

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    xxxnani 5 years ago

    Hi author,

    My friend is facing a big problem rite now, I want to explain you the whole story...

    Today she went to macys she bought ear rings and she paid for it. she is looking for more items to buy and in a hurry she placed one of the ear rings in the bag while she is talking in the phone and she is still in the store only at that time she heard the news that of his best friends mother has expired and she is little bit tense what to do. at the time the store manager came and said you were caught in stealing ear rings ....the store manager called the police and they took my friend to the station and they took the photo and finger prints of my friend and the judge is not there at that time and they said that you will get the from the court.

    Actually she(my friend) has no intention to steal any thing and she is paying her tution bill of $7500 and what is the necessity of stealing of ear rings for a smaller amount of $40...she is a student..I hope you will give the correct verdict for this thing

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi xxxnani,

    So from what I understand, your friend paid for one set of earrings and then while speaking with her friend on the phone put another pair in the bag?

    Sounds like a legitimate shoplifting to me, whether it was intentional, or not.

    Your friend's time to plead her case, was with the store manager and the LP who made the stop. Now she'll have to speak to the judge and tell her story. It seems pretty cut and dry to me. If it was a mistake on her part, it's an unfortunate one.

    I can't see Macy's prosecuting someone for a mistake. They're pretty sharp. If I had seen the concealment of a pair of earrings in a bag, I would have stopped her too. No matter what the reason.

    I know it's not what you wanted to hear, but look at it as driving through a red light. You may not have meant to do it, but you're still stuck with the ticket.

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    Just-the-facts 5 years ago

    So what is the statute of limitations on shoplifting while an employee at the store. I worked at a retail chain and for about five months and helped myself to let's just say quite a bit of merchandise ranging from $5 to $300. I don't work there anymore but what are the chances that I can be nabbed for a past crime as a former employee? I ask this b/c I was caught shoplifiting a few weeks back, and when LP asked my employers name, I lied and said the retail store I hadn't worked at in over a year. They asked if I knew the head LP guy over there, and I said no, which I honestly didn't. I was told they were going to let that LP guy know what I did, i'm guessing so that they would fire me over it. My question is if they did do that, which i'm sure the kid did, what are the odds that they will go back and review past footage to see if I ever did shoplift from the store. My worry, hell fear, is that I will be in one of these retail stores and I will be stopped for a past incident.

    I have another question, when I was recently caught I was w/a friend who had no idea what I had done, and had made a legitimate purchase in the store. When they stopped me outside the store, he tried to ask what was going on and they told him that he could not re-enter the store at that time. When I was back in the office w/LP they were asking his information, employer, phone number, name, relationship to me. I thought that was very odd since he was not involved. When we were done they escorted me out and asked if my friend had waited for me, I said I had hoped so, and they said it would serve me right if he didn't b/c I was a thief. I called my friend and he was in the store looking for me, at that time the LP guys spotted him and told him he had to leave the store immediately and was not allowed back in ever again, just like they told me. If i stepped foot in on any of the stores properties anywhere I would be arrested. They followed him out to the car and were harassing me to admit what I did to my friend and then tried to take his picture and get his license plate information to call the cops. The one LP guy yelled out that he was going to call my work and get me fired.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi,Just-the-facts,

    Sounds like the LP who picked you up has "I wanna be a cop, but I can't cuz' I'm just an LP" Syndrome. Your information and your innocent friend's info are supposed to be confidential. They're not supposed to be available to anyone at anytime. If it were me, I'd call and make a complaint over how I was treated in the office-and when I left.

    As far as your former employer going to the length and detail of opening a case on a former employee, I think the odds of that happening are slim-none. They had their chance to get you when you worked there and they obviously blew it.

    Loss Prevention are not cops! People seem to forget that. And even if they work for a police department part time, for example, they still have to follow the rules of the store.

    Sounds to me like this guy is just on some kind of power trip.

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    NeedHelp17 5 years ago

    PLEASE READ AND HELP: Im 17. One day i was with my stepsister and we went to the mall in aeropostale and stole sum stuff from there then we went in claires and put stuff in our bags i noticed the store worker called the police because the police came and they was about to walk in the store but the store worker basically told them to hold on by doing hand motions so we wudnt know. so that's wen i told my stepsis, i think she called the police on us. but she didn't think nuthin of it. but i took the claires stuff out my bag and put it bak on the racks and i wasn't thinking well and so stupid for not doing this but i kept the stuff i took from aeropostale in my bag. while we was walking out the store of course they told us to go back into the stole and they found the stuff we took, i called my mama she called her dad and that was very embarrasing becuz we was at a neighborhood mall so i seen people frum my school actually IN CLAIRES. i didn't get in trouble by my mom or nuthin and the police told my mama dnt worry n i think he told uz the charges will be dropped. Another time me and my friend went to the same mall, we took clothes with uz in the dressing room and took the tags off and put the clothes under our clothes we had already had on. i put on a couple shirts and shorts and she put on sum stuff and of course wen wen was walking out a dude tapped me on my shoulder and we had to go with him into a room. I was so fucking scared man. so they searched uz and patted uz down and the lady felt i had on extra clothes so i had to take off my clothes and give her the stuff i stole, they did the whole process with takin my id and asked for information and then they told me and my friend that i'm going to be arrested my friend started cryin. she had to leave find a ride home and she told me this lady saw her cryin and she told the lady wat happened and the lady took her home. but anywho, i sat up in the macys room for 2-3 hours bored as hell waitin for the police, wen the police finally got there they had took me to the station and they took mug shots and fingerprints i had to go thru tha whole process of being searched. while i was being searched by the woman police she saw that i had on more than one shirt so she took me to a room and told me i can only have on one shirt i had about 3 shirts on (macys aint find the shirts i had on , yeah dumasses rite?) so i gave her the extra shirts and she asked me did i steal those shirts to and i told her yea after that i was in a cell for sum hours i had fell asleep and everything. my mama wudnt cum get me and my boyfriend later told me he was about to cum get me out since my mama refused to (i was using my cell to text them while i was in macys waiting for tha police) so my mama finally came and got me they told my mama as we was walking out that i mite be cuming back to do community service so months passed and i thought everything was OK til i got this letter in the mail from sum lawyer talking bout i gotta pay a fine of 600 so i called them and then they said my balance i have to pay is 1200 dollars, i asked them how it get up to that much ??? and they said becuz they sent letters to my house 3 times and i swea that was my first time gettin a letter frum dey asses so i was like alrite and they also said becuz it was 2 cases a claires and a macy so anyways i made a payment plan to pay bout 150 a month afta i got off the fone with them i did the math n afta i wud of got finished payin all dat money off dat would have been 1500 i wud of payed them. Now im still in high school and i don't have a job im trying to graduate on time and im wondering how in the hell am i going to pay dis shit off. i never told my mama about nun of this cuz i dnt even wanna think of how she's gonna react so i told myself i wud start back selling candy at my school. so i started selling candy and i said fuck dat they go have to wait another week on dey money becuz it was due that week so anyways i never gave them dey money i stopped sellin candy. my friend told me that its go be a warrant out for my arrest if i dnt pay the fine and my boyfriend told me "dnt pay dat shit they kno you only 17 and still in school and dnt got a job dey go have to wait for dey money"....i dnt want this on my record becuz afta i finish high school i want to go to school to become a pharmacist and i dnt want nuthing on my record stoppin me frum gettin money in the future and becoming a pharmacist so what do u think i shud do? do u think i shud pay the money or wait til i have to go to court and they judge mite just put me on probation? shud i jus ask the judge cud i pay it wen i start gettin a job? man i really dnt want to pay dat damn fine. but do u think that its gonna be on my record????????

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    you're 17. Talk to your mom and have her call a lawyer-or call one on your own and find out if not paying your civil demand will screw up your future credit/school/employment opportunities.

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    Just-the-facts 5 years ago

    Wow, my head hurts after trying to read NeedHelp17's post.

    So when you pay your civil demand letter, if you choose to pay, what happens next. I've read that if you make a payment, you are basically admitting fault, and that after you pay the fine/restitution back, then the store will come after you on a civil case. Anyone know about that?

    When you are caught and you sign a form saying you will never step into that stores property or properties wherever they are all located, how do they prevent that? I know that they are going on you being scared about the fear of being arrested for stepping foot in their stores, but how to they uphold that threat? I've hear of facial recognition software, but I can't see any store paying for that outside of Wal-Mart, but we all know they aren't going to use their money for that. They take a photo of you, but do they fax that to all their stores, or just keep it on file for if you ever get caught again in one of their stores they can reference it. I can't see LP scanning a book of photos looking at each shopper via camera to see if they match up.

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    NeedHelp17 5 years ago

    @rockinjoe yea i tried but i dnt kno wat type of lawyer to call

    @just-the-facts i jus cant go in the store i stole frum i can go to the other claires and macys in the other malls

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    NeedHelp17 5 years ago

    and @justthefacts lmao yeah my bad i aint kno i waz go be dat long but i jus needed yal opinions cuz it hunts me every time i be in my room jus thinkin

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    Sabree 5 years ago

    I was caught shoplifting at KMART yesterday and had $130 worth of goods in my bag. They have video surveilance of me, I confessed to it, and the guy had been following me since I went in the store. I am obviously guilty. He had called in 2 police officers and they searched the store for the wrapping (to prove if I had taken off security devices or not) and found none. They made me sign some paper work and said I will get a letter in the mail about court and a fine. I am just wondering what kind of fine it will be, if I will serve jail time, and etc. I am 19 years old and from Kansas. This is my first offense. Thank you.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Just-the-facts,

    Most chains will have you sign a no trespass notice, but as you guessed, it's virtually impossible to enforce it. At the 3 major chains I worked for in the past, they told us not to bother with it.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Sabree,

    Did the police arrest you? Were you held in a cell and then released, or did you just receive a citation?

    I'm not a cop, so as far as the legalities are concerned, you're asking the wrong guy. If you do receive a Civil Demand fine notice in the mail (and you shoplifted at Kmart) it will most likely be from Palmer-Reifler Associates. (The amount of the fine is determined by your state laws)

    Here's some info on civil demand from their website.

    http://www.palmerreiflerlaw.com/faq/

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    Sabree 5 years ago

    No, I was not arrested. I walked out of the store and a man said he needed me to come back in. Then 2 police officers showed up and we went to the security room where I emptied out my bag and they filled out paper work. I had to sign numerous things involving pleading guilty, agreeing to court, and etc. However, he did not ban me from the store. He said I am more than welcome as long as I do not steal again. The cops seached the store for proof of missing security devices but were unable to prove one way or the other. They said I will get a summons for court where I will have some fines and other possible punishments. They also said I will have to pay double the amount the merchandise is worth and will get a notice in the mail for that. I am just worried about jail time, permanent record, and how this will effect my job (which is in retail).

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    holycrapman 5 years ago

    Rockin Joe,

    I was at a store on my lunch break. I did something stupid and I put about 150 bucks worth stuff in my messenger bag. As I was walking out a guy in plain clothes tried to stop me. I asked him if he was trying to detain me, and he grabbed my bagged and pulled on it to try and pull me back into the store. He stepped on my toe and I think he broke one of them as I am now limping.

    I pushed him off, told him to fuck off and moved to my car. He was yelling something about my car.

    He followed me and took pictures of my car, he might have gotten my plate. I backed up and then moved past him pretty quick. So I'm not sure.

    I left and went back to work.

    I trashed the items I took right away, and there is nothing where I live.

    Should I be worried that the cops will show up at my door? Is there anything I can do?

    I know the store has no cameras, and the point of sale device did not go off.. Can they even prove I took the items if they do not find them at my place?

    If I do have a problem, how long before the cops show up? Do they need a warrant? What should I say?

    It's really not worth this stress.

    Thanks.

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    charlie may 5 years ago

    I do shoplifting all the time. My friends all ways dare me too other wise they hurt me. i know its wrong but what should i do. i hat being teased. Can someone out there help me?

    Thanks

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    lavenderbird 5 years ago

    charlie may, How old are you? You need to tell an adult about what is going on and you really need to find a new group of friends. Those are not friends. Something really bad is going to happen one day and they will not be there for you, infact they will be the ones who caused it!

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    Coolbeanss 5 years ago

    Today I stole A case for an ipod touch at Claires...My friend was with me and she stole A lot more.When we were about to walk out of the store the lady asked us to come to the back they called the cops and are prosecuting.What do you think i will get?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Thank you all for writing. I apologize that I haven't been around, but internet problems have kept me from being online much. Hopefully they're all fixed.

    Let's get to these questions.

    Sabree- I doubt you still need my help, but it sounds to me like you were charged without being arrested. In other words, the cops gave you a court date (or a summons to appear in court) It saved you from going to the police station and being charged, but it's pretty much the same thing without the handcuffing, the jail and all that other crap. It may stay on your record, but do call your prosecutor's office and ask about expunging your charge. If you stay out of trouble, some US states allow you to remove the charge from your record like it never happened. Good luck!

    Hi holycrapman-Sorry for the delay. That's quite a story. You didn't say where this took place, but if the LP saw you conceal in person, he can make a statement to police. It's better if they have you on tape, but if he saw you do it and has backing evidence, (empty packages, for example), they'll take a sworn statement. Since you got away and haven't seen any police yet, they may be letting it go. I don't have a good answer for you. It's very possible the police would investigate this. Good luck.

    Charlie-I don't know if you're trolling me, or not, but you know right from wrong. If you're having a problem with bullies, tell an adult now. Good luck!

    Hey Coolbeans. I don't know if you're a minor or an adult, or if you have any previous record, I don't even know where you live so it's difficult to even make a guess about what your outcome may be. If you haven't already, talk to a lawyer ASAP. I would highly discourage you from going to court without an attorney.

    Hello GrammarNazi-Thank you for stopping by my highly successful hub. I see from your IP address that you're from the UK. Therefore, you obviously have a grasp on the English language. Congratulations. Given the choice, I'd rather have straight, white teeth.

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    scared 5 years ago

    hi i need help as i am confused for what's going to happen. i live in colorado and 6 days ago i shoplifted from a store and i walked out. I had a feeling that's some one was watching me i was so STUPID.right after i walked out a lady followed me and stopped me she said where's my stuff? where's my stuff? at first i was kinda confused of what she was talking about so i go what are you talking about? cuz i totally forgot about the item i stole she kept on asking where did you put it? so i said calmly you can search me if you want, that's when she runned inside the store saying i will get your licence. i left the store and went home the item was worth $10 i think or may be 15 but my question is why did she stop me and didnt even take me inside? does that happen often? why sisnt she say that she's the store security cuz i honestly thought that she was a customer.so i dont kknow what to do will she inform the police to come get me? i kinda highly doubt she's got my licence tho cuz she wasnt around my car. im still freaking out i cant sleep,eat,work...im already being punished for what ive done. call me CRAZY but shoplifting is not fun its the stupidest thing to do.

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    scared 5 years ago

    oh and the store was sears.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Scared-This happened at Sears? Talk to an attorney first, but I would take them to court for stopping me and then not being able to produce the item, or any evidence that I stole something. The store detective made what is called a "bad stop" or a "discontinued detention" as Sears calls it. She handled it wrong, whether you took merchandise or not.

    They won't bother you about this. They're more scared of you right now.

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    scared 5 years ago

    Hi its me again. what if im on their camera? when i actually conseal the item after i left. and what if she's got my plate number aswell. it has been eight days now but im still scared.what is the possibility of that happening? now i dont want the lady to loss her job or some thing happen to her because of what had happened.ive checked if there is any arrest warrent issued for me, but so far there is none. would they still go after me tho?

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    scared 5 years ago

    Thank you so much for anwering my question.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Scared, If you were on camera,left the store with an item and then concealed it after you left the store and the detective stopped you without taking further action, she is still at fault.

    Don't get me wrong. You still shoplifted, but she did not follow company policy. When Sears stops a shoplifter, they are required to have a witness at the door watching the procedure and in the event of a mistake (finding you with no merchandise) they are supposed to apologize and offer up the name of their district manager, his/her contact info and their name. This wasn't done.

    I don't know if she called in the incident to her superiors, but from the way you described the situation, it's doubtful.

    I wouldn't worry about it, but then again, I'm speaking from past experiences I've dealt with and every case is different.

    It sounds to me, like this detective took a chance and then realized that she didn't have any evidence and ran back inside. She shouldn't be catching shoplifters. LP is not supposed to take chances.

    If it makes you feel better, discuss it with a lawyer.

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    scared 5 years ago

    Thank you so much.

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    FriendlyShadow 5 years ago

    "Why running away is not a good idea. You’ll get caught". Idiotic propaganda. Maliciously bad advice.

    You can't and shouldn't always run. But it is a damn fine option which is valid and doable in many cases. Cops train to chase down an average 18-30yr old and often can't and AP/LP is nothing. If you can run a few miles you are golden. I remember my hometown cops couldn't run more than a few blocks when I was a kid. Not usually the case, but cops run a spectrum from will smith build to chris farley build.

    You can run, you can hide, if you have a opening run for freedom.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi FriendlyShadow, Thanks for your opinion. I'll let your comment speak for itself.

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    this is bs 5 years ago

    i worked for Walmart for 6 months. they fired me on friday, cuz they caught me stealing dvds. i admit that i stole dvds but i only took ones that were open already. they can't sell the ones outside the package. this is bullshit. they cut my hours and i stole dvds to make up for that. they got some guy from corprate to talk to me. he was ajerk. i admited to stealing 3 dvds and he made me write it down. i stole way more then that. that's all they got me for. just 3. wm did not call the cops. they just fired me. i have 2 questions. can wm fire me for stealing if the items aren't 4 sale? and can they talk to me without calling my parents? i'm 17. if they did not call my parents i can't see how they can acuse me.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi this is bs, What bothers me most about your story, is that you're not accepting any responsibility for what you did. You justify your crime by blaming Walmart for cutting your hours and then you take "out of box merchandise" like it's acceptable to do that.

    Out of package DVDs, get returned to the vendor for credit. It doesn't mean they are "free" once they are out of the package. It's shoplifting. In fact, it's embezzlement. You got off lucky. The jerk in the suit could have had you arrested. Walmart did not need your parents present to question you. Did your parents fill out your application for you? Did they sit in on your job interview? Did they punch in for you everyday? I highly doubt it. You took the job, you dealt with the responsibilities of the job and you ruined it all on your own. You don't realize how fortunate you are. It's too bad you weren't arrested. You don't seem to have learned anything from your experience.

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    opps 5 years ago

    Is there s policy on who comes to the back while u are filling out papers? Because a worker came back talkin abou a football game to the Lp and wa

    s being nosey. Then she left and returned when my parents came in just to hear what my mom wud say . Not to mention some random guy came n and stood there IDK if he was wit LP or not. And the lady that priced the items came in as well and peeked at me

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi opps, thanks for your comment. As far as your question, stores usually have a policy where a witness is required in the LP office. The witness should be of the same sex as the shoplifter. The witness, however can use a witness of another sex if the LP is the same sex as the shoplifter.

    I've been in situations, where the apprehension is taking longer than necessary and witnesses have to return to the sales floor to help a customer. They have to be replaced with another witness, immediately.

    People are always in and out during an apprehension. The LP might require price checks, or other information that he/she can't get on their own. It's usually a circus in the LP office (especially for a large amount of merchandise)

    I'm curious. What store were you at when apprehended?

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    opps 5 years ago

    Walmart. It was only 30 dollars. But no Lp left. When the police came a worker came in there to socialize wit the Lps then when she seen they were busy.. she continued to stay and returned when my parents came... As well as another guy

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    snowwybunny 5 years ago

    Twice I walked out of a bookstore without paying with books in my bag by accident.

    The next day, I just went back to pay for it and bought another book on top of that!

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Snowbunny.....Thanks for your comment:)

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    LEILADON 5 years ago

    Hi,

    I did something really stupid stole from asda UK WALMART and I got caught....the police got called and i received a warning letter. Two month ago and I cannot move on, Im 19 and i feel soooooooooooooooo ashamed. I keep beating myslef about it. I wrote two hearltfelt apology letters the lady was considering but she later changed her mind. I am planning on writing another apology letter two years later to ASDA and probably email the CEO am I wasting my time? Should I just move on. I never ever stolen before and I received counselling to ensure it won't happen again. But I fear for myself becuase I cant stop crying or thinking about. Its about to get a whole lot worse because.....im going home to face the parents who live next door to a 24hr ASDA. HELP ME ANYONE

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    I wanted to take a second and thank the good people at The Huffington Post for linking two of my shoplifting articles from Hubpages on their site, I'm honored.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/13/shoplifte...

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi LEILADON, Sounds like you got off pretty easy as far as the legal part of your dilemma. It's obviously really bothering you. I'm not an attorney or a doctor, but if I were you I'd speak to a doctor about this. Why beat yourself up over it when you can do something about it?

    Good luck.

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    asdjkl 5 years ago

    a few days ago i stole a shirt from cotton on and on my out i was caught and made to pay 3 times the amount of the shirt. the shop then took my id and wrote out all the details and made me sign a document. they later took a picture of me, then let me go without calling the cops. i was wondering whats going to happen next? will they print out my picture and post it in the store or something??

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    guillermo 5 years ago

    During lunch one day I went walking to K-Mart and I was being stupid and decided to rip candy bags and stuff the candy in my pockets. It wasn't easy because I had to walk around the store and ripp the bags to steal the candy. Me being dumb left the bags just laying there in random places. Then as i was leaving I made it out of the store but this lady call me and told me to come back inside. She told me that I had candy and that she wanted me to tell her where I putted them. I was NERVOUS and I had to lie. I told her I put them back in the place. Then she let me go. I know I still stole from there but will I get caught? Will the camaras see them or will they play them to see me and to track me? I went out the store walking so the license plate doens't matter. PLEASE HELP!

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi asdjkl. I'm not quite familiar with the laws and policies in Malaysia, but it seems pretty extreme, compared to what would happen in the US. I'd be very surprised to see your photo posted. We used to take photos in one store I worked for, but they were placed in an album and kept in the LP office.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi guillermo. You're fine. Kmart shouldn't have stopped you without taking you back in. That's a Kmart no no. They can't do anything. You're safe.

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    asdjkl 5 years ago

    thanks for your quick reply.

    also cotton on is a chainstore, so will they send the picture to every single cotton on store and ban me from entering it? i signed the document without looking at it because i really wanted to leave quickly and so i didnt have a chance to read it properly.

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    Sad&worried 5 years ago

    I work at walmart. When i got off work, i took my purse and my lunch bag from my locker. I went to the bakery where my friend works and i gave here money for her bus fare since she asked me if she can borrow $10. I was carrying a pair of gloves while heading to the bakery. I realized i forgot my lip balm in one of the drawers. Since my friend couldnt find it i stepped inside to find and get it. Afterwards, i decided not to get the gloves so i left it in one of the bakery shleves. I went to the cosmetic section, i purchased an eyeshadow a week before and didnt noticed until yesterday that i am missing a tiny brush so i decided to open one of the boxes took one brush and slip it into the bag. Then i continued to go shopping buying a bday card and some chocolates. After i paid, i went outside the store and ready to go when two associates stopped me. They identified themselves as LPs then they told me they saw me take stuff. They asked me to open my bag to see if i took the gloves and they didnt find anything. They asked to see the bag and found the brush. They asked for it and handed it to them and they asked if i took any cosmetics and i said no. Then they said " we just want our stuff back" and then we parted ways. I went into my car and feeling terrible i shouldnt have taken that brush but the one i bought there has no brush and they wont allow me to return it. I started driving and noticed that they were not there outside anymore. They didnt really say anything after i said no. They just took the brush and said ok. Should i be worried? They didnt ask for my identification or anything.

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    Sad&worried 5 years ago

    I am not sure if they know that i currently work there since i covered my shirt with a jacket when i get off work. I feel ao terrible for taking that one brush. I hope they will give me another chance.

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    Shannon 5 years ago

    I was caught shoplifting at kohls. A female LP approached me outside, and handcuffed me. Is this proper procedure? I also have to pay a find and am banned for a year?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi asdjkl. It's highly doubtful they would share your photo with other stores in the chain. It's not like you were a big time booster who had been cleaning them out at every opportunity. At the most, your name and address are in a database, along with the info you provided to the store. That would be used by the store only (or chain) to identify you if you were stopped again. Your photo however would not be used.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Sad&worried-Officially, you have shoplifted. Whether or not the makeup you had purchased previously, had a brush or not, the right thing to do is to return the item to the desk and do an even exchange. (Why didn't they allow you a return) Even though it was just a brush, WM can do longer sell the cosmetic as a complete item. It concerns me that Walmart is stopping people without following through and letting people go on the sidewalk. That's risky for them-and you as an employee or customer.

    As far as your job, I have no idea what will happen here. True, you messed up by stealing from your store, but they messed up by letting you go when they approached you.

    Let me know what happens and good luck!

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Shannon...Some stores have handcuff policies in place, but their personnel must be trained to use them properly. (This is usually done as a computer based training or CBT program within the store.)

    I think all shoplifters should be handcuffed upon apprehension. Shoplifters are unpredictable and I've gotten into more than a couple of fistfights with shoplifters who bugged out upon being caught.

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    Sad&worried 5 years ago

    Can they still send me a mail to ask me to pay a fine even if they did not take me to the room or get any of my information? They did not ask me to sign anything? They took the brush and let me go as if nothing happened and it was dark outside the store when they approached me. I can barely see their faces and when they asked me to show them whats inside my purse, it was hard to see whats inside since it was kind of dark. There wasnt enough lighting. Can they still reopen and get me in trouble with what happened? Like search me again even if theyve already taken the brush back?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hey Sad&worried...I would chill out. These guys are in way more trouble than you. They stopped you not knowing what you did or didn't have, they let you go and they went through your bag. Unless WM has drastically changed their policy on apprehending shoplifters (which I doubt) you're ok.

    Are you still working there? Have they (or anyone else) mentioned this incident? My guess is no. Once again, these guys aren't cops-in fact, they're so far from cops it's not even funny. I'd let it go.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hey everyone, please feel free to check out my latest shoplifting articles.

    http://rockinjoe.hubpages.com/hub/10-Most-Asked-Qu

    http://rockinjoe.hubpages.com/hub/Supermarket-Peep

    And of course, the website:

    http://www.ishoplifted.com

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    Sad&worrief 5 years ago

    Thanks rockinjoe. Yes i still work there but only on weekends though. No one called me and my coworker didnt mention anything to me.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Sad&worrief. You're welcome. Good luck :)

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    htodd 5 years ago from United States

    This is really interesting ...Thanks a lot for putting points

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    Anonymous 5 years ago

    I was caught shoplifting at a Shopko and taken into the office. The LP said if I cooperated he might not call the police. I gave him my name but did not have any ID with me, at that time he called the police. My question is, if I had ID with me would he still have called the police or is this a common tactic to get you admit guilt by cooperating?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Thanks, htodd. I sincerely appreciate the compliment.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Anonymous, It's common that when a shoplifter has no ID, the police are called. He probably had no choice. You could easily give the LP fake information and you would never receive your civil demand letter. I never called the police unless I absolutely had to. If someone had no ID, I would usually (depending on the dollar amount of the merchandise) let the shoplifter call someone to bring their ID in. If they couldn't locate anyone, or they were uncooperative, the police would have to be called. A store detective doesn't care about getting you to admit guilt. If they have enough evidence to stop you, they know you're guilty.

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    Anonymous 5 years ago

    Thanks rockinjoe. Is there a certain dollar amount that makes it pretty much mandatory to call the police? It's driving me crazy wondering if I could have avoided the police if I only had ID with me, now this is on my record and I'm about to graduate college.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Anonymous, It depends on the store. If you steal a $20 item at Kmart, you're taking a ride. There is no negotiation with the store at this point, because if you turn in a report with a $20 shoplifting (or more) attached to it and you did not prosecute, you have a lot of explaining to do. I also worked at a supermarket chain once, who prosecuted for $10 and up.

    A cop picking up a shoplifter for me at Kmart, told me about a store at a local mall. (It sold nothing but posters) that would prosecute for any amount. (Their lowest priced item was .99 cents.) The police hated going there.

    Call your lawyer and ask about getting the charge removed from your permanent record. Your state or local attorney general's office would have information on this as well. You have to wait a certain amount of time before you can get it removed. (approximately a year) Good luck!

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    WhatDoYouKnowReal 5 years ago

    This website not only gives good insight on how to become a successful shoplifter but it also encourages people that are sitting on the fence about it to really see how easy it is to shoplift and get away with it.

    Shoplifting is a continuing growing problem. Its a multi-billion dollar industry and its one of the leading problems as to why a lot of businesses charge so much for their product.

    Nothing good comes from shoplifting. You couldn't possibly steal enough merchadise to change your life for the better,long-term. If you're that hard up for cash and you absolutely really need that piece of merchandise from your favorite store that you'd go as far as stealing it, maybe you need a reality check on your priorities.

    Yes, stealing from department stores is easy. And I'm sure if you ask RockinJoe to give you a step by step procedure on how to do it, he just might. He seems like a friendly guy, out to help, and trying to do people that had a lapse in judgement a second chance by imploring some information that they may not be aware of. For that, I applaud.

    But to sit here and explain how Loss Prevention has their hands tied on most shoplift cases and explaining that all you have to do is take merchandise into the restroom or fitting room, and you'll walk out of the store home free, is nothing to oogle over. Truth is? Jobs are scarce out there. This we know. More people are venturing out looking for jobs to pay the bills. That means more laid off cops, military combat veterans, sheriff deputies and other public service people are scooping up these Loss Prevention jobs.

    If you're a shoplifter or you're trying to become one some of these LP detectives will spot you the moment you step into the store. And your little bathroom trick or your fitting room idea will be already booted because those things will have already been covered as you walk your shoplifting self into the store.

    I'm not big on corporations or CEO's making billions while the little people suffer. I'm not a gun loving republican or a pot smoking liberal. For the most part, I'm for the people, equality and respect. But I won't put up with shoplifters. Its a dishonest trade, a dark path to travel down and will lead to nothing in good interest. If you're in it for the thrill, go skydiving for a thrill. Or go mountain climbing. Something productive that doesn't involve harming others. If you're addicted to stealing, seek help. Today. If you're stealing just because you want stuff you can't afford, get a job like all the honest folks in the world and buy it.

    That's all I've got.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi WhatDoYouKnowReal...Awwww, you didn't have to go and hurt my feelings, now, did you?

    I agree with most of your comment. I don't know where you see me encourage (or worse), tell someone how to go about shoplifting, though. If you can find it, please point it out.

    I have no love for shoplifters. My job was to catch them. I needed shoplifters to keep employed. Shoplifters have existed hundreds of years before you and I and will live on for hundreds more after we are both dead.

    I don't encourage people to shoplift. I hate paying higher prices for being honest, just as you do.

    If you want to blame someone for the high theft in the chains, point your finger at the stores. They have the resources to see there is adequate LP in the store, a great camera system and employees staffed AND TRAINED) in high theft areas, such as the fitting rooms. Excellent customer service is the #1 theft deterrent. (Ask Lowes)

    I bet if you were to walk into a Kmart right now, you'd hardly find anyone on the sales floor to help you (or deter you from stealing) and I bet the fitting room doors would be unlocked and unattended. Same thing with their electronics department. (The only reason I use Kmart as an example, is, I worked there for a number of years-so I know how they conduct their business.)

    If the chains put their money back into the stores and their people, you'd see shrink figures drop and profits rise. You also wouldn't see Kmart closing stores (now in the hundreds) since 2003.

    People read my stuff AFTER they shoplift. There is no one "on the fence" about shoplifting. You either steal, or you don't. Me pushing people over to the darkside is laughable, but I found it entertaining, so thanks again for your post.

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    WhatDoYouKnowReal 5 years ago

    Joe, I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. I respect guys like you. (LP) Loss Prevention is a crap job. It pays little, most stores dont cut enough hours to the LP departments and you get to sit in a small office monitoring cameras all day watching shoplifters walk out of the store with merchandise because the stores have implied five or six ridiculous rules that you have to follow in order to capture a shoplift.

    You've made plenty of solid points on your website and like I've said before, I applaud you for that. Most importantly, you've pointed out that a lot of stores hire pimple-faced teenagers right out of high school for these LP jobs. Its disgusting. And let me tell you, I know. I've worked with many. They sit in the back office talking about how they'll "shoot a shoplifter" in the face and blah blah blah. I always invite them to join the Armed Forces and take a ride to Iraq or Afghanistan to go shoot a Taliban member in the face. And it always seems to quit them down.

    My main point for my comment was not to disrespect you, pick at you or berate your website. I think what you have going here is, for the most part, a good thing. But it also entails a lot of information of how easy it is to really shoplift. Having worked LP myself, it find it frustrating that these websites are out there on the internet. It gives a lot of the youngsters a good idea of how to do it and how easy it is and how little the consequences are. And by posting these comments myself, I'm probably making myself out to be quite the hypocrite. But what other vehicle do I have to communicate with you?

    With all that said, I hope that when information is posted it's a bit more scrutinized and carefully thought-out before the "submit" button is clicked.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi WhatDoYouKnowReal, First of all, Happy New Year. Secondly, I was only having some fun with you about the hurt feelings and I do respect your opinion. We just happen to disagree on the subject.

    After reading your first comment, I thought you might be LP,(or former LP) but when you spelled everything correctly and used proper grammar, the thought quickly left my mind.

    You are correct. I've seen some of those "How to Shoplift" websites. Some of them go into great detail about how to steal, when to steal, how to avoid detection, etc. Most of what I read on these sites was inaccurate. If someone believes something they read on the internet (and I include my articles here) they should check it out before taking it as the truth.

    I wrote it as an informational piece. The intent was not to teach people how to shoplift, but how to avoid the rogue LP who had his/her own agenda on how to catch shoplifters. Those who skirt the rules just to show a dollar amount on that form on the clipboard hanging on the wall in the security office. (Being former LP, I know you know the feeling of calling in a blank shoplifter total at the end of the week.) I know shoplifters I would rather sit down to dinner with, instead of some loss prevention people I've worked with in the past.

    This article is 4 years old. I went a long time without checking it and one day I logged on to Hubpages and noticed numerous comments and questions from people with real problems. I decided that I wanted to help and separate the lp facts from the lp fiction. This small article has turned out to be a pretty decent small business and will hopefully become lucrative someday.

    I encourage no one to shoplift. It's a stupid, idiotic (and sometimes dangerous) thing to do. So is speeding, going through red lights, not coming to a complete stop at intersections, illegal gambling and prostitution. It doesn't mean it's going to stop, though.

    I sincerely appreciate your stopping by and letting your thoughts be known. You are always welcome to come here and express your opinion. Thanks again!

    Joe

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    Menage 5 years ago

    Hi there, I googled for the first time ever, shoplifting walmart.. well a few days ago i had my daughter playing with a broken toy in walmart, it actually had a paper that switch is not working well i did all my shopping and then at the time of paying she refused big time to give it back.. i thought itrs broken will possibly go to the garbage and i kept it. the cashier didnt ask for it..since it was out of the box and i guess it looked used. well i think i felt exactly the same as any other shop lifter, cross the doors waiting for somebody to stop me and nobody did so i felt releived. But yesterday i noticed 2 missed calls and when i called back it replied the automatic machine from Walmart and the location where i went that day.. i dont know if this is a coincidence but that day before entering the store i did some merchandise return and provided my phone number.. now im super worried, can they do that.. look at their cameras, figure it out, link it with my return and then get my phone number from there?? And if they are calling for that reason, what is next?? thats why i was reading this article... whats next after shoplifting in walmart, but what after leaving the store and not beight caugh apparently... help im paranoid

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Menage,

    Little kids walk out with toys all the time, whether the parents are aware of it, or not. Walmart is not going to spend any time trying to piece together a toy theft and link it together with a return. Trust me on that one. It's not worth it. It takes too much time and there are more important things for them to concentrate on.

    That being said, If someone had wanted to make your life miserable that evening, they could have technically gotten you for shoplifting. It's something I would never get involved with, but there are people out there who would stop you.

    You're all set....

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    Menage 5 years ago

    haha thanks very much!! either way i dont think i will do it again it feels nerveracking i cant take it im too chicken for it. but i feel way better now.

    regards.. thanks for your time

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    worriedgirl 5 years ago

    I'm 17 and was in a chain beauty store in the uk today and I was apprehended for taking some items. I panicked and told them that I was asked to do it by someone else but they didnt follow that up. They took items which were my property which they claimed were theirs.The only id I had with me was a photo pass for my college with my name and school phone no. They let me go after returning my i.d. but when they spoke earlier they said a fine would be sent and discussed even going to the police and a record.

    If they let me go and didn't insist on formal id (they photocopied my school id) they just took my address and rang my dad to confirm my identity. what do you think will happen?

    thanks

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi worriedgirl,

    I don't know anything about the law in the UK, unfortunately. The best I can do is to take a guess and say that they were trying to scare you with mention of the police. They did get their merchandise back, they confirmed your identity with your dad (and now probably have your address and phone number) so I think they'll be ok with your paying the fine. You may want to check with an attorney, just to be on the safe side.

    Regards....

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    VeryUpset 5 years ago

    Hey Joe, Me, my husband and my 2 boys went macys for shopping. I was looking for the kids clothing and my husband was in the men section. I liked few stuff and i kept all the merchandise under the stroller. I was waiting for my husband to come and show those merchandise before i buy. when he came my son starting crying for food. We were going out to pick a snack from the car. All of a sudden LP off stopped us. They took us in the bck room. I told them what happened. We were coming back , but they didn't belive. Now they are saying merchandise was in the diaper bag. I m 100% sure it was underneath the stroller and diaper bag was hanging out. Is there is any way to prove that all the merchandise was under the stroller not in the diaper bag? Does LP back room has video cameras?

    Please reply ASAP.

    Thanks..

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi VeryUpset, Many parents use a stroller to assist them as they shop. Placing store merchandise underneath the stroller isn't suspicious, but stuffing a diaper bag is. It really doesn't matter in this case. If you left the store with unpaid for Macy's merchandise, you've shoplifted. Yes, Macy's has cameras, but there's no way they are going to let you see any evidence they may or may not have.

    Were you arrested, or did they let you go? If the police were involved, they most likely saw the tape and based their decision to arrest on it.

    If you feel that you're innocent and Macy's made a mistake,call an attorney and get the ball rolling.

    Good luck.

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    VeryUpset 5 years ago

    Thanks Joe for quick reply. I put the merchandise in the stroller in the fitting room. So, there is no video which could prove that merchandise was in the stroller.

    I understand that Macy's has camera but I wanted to know if LP back room, where they took me has any cameras which could show that merchandize came out from the stroller but not from diaper bag. So, I Can prove that merchandise was indeed in the stroller and not in diaper bag. I already have consulted attorney and he mentioned that it would be easy to negotiate with prosecutor if merchandise was in the stroller as we can tell him that it was mistake but if it was in diaper bag then it clearly shows the intent of shoplifting.

    Thanks for all your help

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    VeryUpset 5 years ago

    I forgot to mention that yes I was arrested.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi VeryUpset, I don't know if Macy's has cameras in their LP offices, or not. That's something they're not going to make public and I would bet it would depend on the store.

    Do you know if you were brought to the actual LP office, or was it perhaps another room? Something bigger since you had the stroller with you? In the past, if the shoplifter had a large amount of merchandise, (or kids) I would take them to the break room, or HR office, or someplace larger and not as scary for the kids.

    A friend of mine (whom I worked with at Kmart) installed a camera in his office, himself. This would cut down on any claims of sexual/racial harassment or being accused of adding more items to the shoplifter's total, etc. It would also help out in cases such as yours. It was not mandatory. This is something your lawyer can probably find out if you plan on pleading down your case and not going to trial.

    More importantly, you should ask your lawyer to find out if the LP who made the stop was certified to make what are known as fitting room stops.

    A fitting room stop is basically what happened to you. The LP saw no concealment, but "assumed" that you had stolen the merchandise you brought into the fitting room and apprehended you. At Kmart, very few LP were even allowed to make fitting room stops. In fact, my LP regional manager for the east coast was the only one certified to perform such stops-and she couldn't find her ass with both hands and a GPS. Just because someone leaves the fitting room without merchandise, doesn't mean they concealed it. Definitely find out this information.

    Also, was there a witness of the same sex with you present for the stop and during the entire process? (At least until the cops got there?) That's also important.

    A witness (in your case, a woman) must be present for the whole process. If the LP who stopped you was a female, they can use either sex as a witness (even another LP)

    Remember, that witness cannot leave the office to check prices or do her regular job and come back for a few minutes and leave again. The witness must be present for the whole deal.

    If there is no camera in the LP office (and for some reason they are lying about the clothes being found in a bag), I'm afraid, you're going to have a difficult time proving otherwise.

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    Jessy 5 years ago

    Hi Joe ,thank u for being helpful and to make some time to answer all questions , my case here is little different i've been employed at macy's ,a problem happened between me and one of the associates , and i think they are backing her up for reasons i know but i cant' go in details .. one day the LP called me and they said you need to tell us what u did .. i wasn't comfortable and they made me feel like i did a crime or something , and then i got terminated for a time keeping issue that i stayed more than two times on the floor while i was taking commission .. later i worked with some other brand excutive but i had to work some hours in the same store the day after they said to my excutive that they don't want me to be in that store working as a vendor .. now my question is why do they want that ? is it allowed for them to prevent me from working in the store though i'm employed by another company ? and finally am i allwed as a customer to visit this store or they make a problem out of it ?! .. thank you very much

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    elena 5 years ago

    If you shoplift are you going to be in the newspaper no matter what?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Jessy,

    In most states you are an at will employee. Meaning a store can fire you for any reason at any time (with the exception of age, race, religion, etc.) You also have the option of quitting at anytime, for any reason. That's the beautiful part of retail.

    The answer to your question is yes. Even though you are working for someone else, if Macy's management doesn't want you working in their store, they can either ask you to leave, or or make it known to your boss that they don't want you in the store. There's nothing illegal about it.

    As far as shopping at the store, unless the manager has officially trespassed you (usually by letter, or sometimes just in the presence of local police, (depending on where you live), you can legally shop there. Macy's still wants your money. Why you'd want to give them your money (after what you've been through) kind of surprises me, though.

    Good luck!

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi elena,

    Thanks for your question. That would depend on the newspaper and how they run things, what space is available and how slow a news day it is.

    Some newspapers have those Police Log sections where the newspapers list crimes that have occurred over the past couple of days or so. You usually see the shoplifting stories in that section. You'll only see the shopliftings where the police have been involved. The stores do not directly send these stories to the paper. They get them from the police station or the courthouse.

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    Jessy 5 years ago

    well , after what they did to me i promised myself never even spend a penny at any Macy's store , but it's just a question i might need to know , thanks again

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    forgot2pay 5 years ago

    hi Rockinjow

    I had an incident at a whole foods recently, I had 4 gallons of water and beer on the bottom of the cart, I unloaded all the top items, told the cashier about the 4 gallon refills and forgot about the beer, I made my purchase and really had no idea anything was not rung up, I got into the parking lot LP stopped me, grabbed the beer from out of the basket, and said, "If you want this it will be at customer svc, I told him I forgot to pay for it, and of course would pay, then he said, "you didn't even mention it" at that point I said, "I don't like your accusation, and told him I would not be coming back in, he then told me, "If I thought you intentionally did this I would have done things differently", so he went back into the store, I went to my car, calmly loaded my items and left.

    what I worry about now is I shop whole foods twice a week, I don't have to go to that location, but will they have my pic from surveillance cameras with LP in all area stores? I did not sign anything, no Trespassing paperwork was presented, what do you think?

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi forgot2pay, I think what you experienced is an example of poor customer service and Whole Foods should apologize for the way it was handled.

    Now, that being said, it may have been difficult for the LP to determine your intentions when he saw you place the beer underneath the cart along with the water. BUT, the way to handle that would have been for the LP to call the cashier (or someone up front) and say something like, "Don't forget to charge the customer for the beer." It would have been over and done with and you would have never known you were a suspect. Also, I've always had a problem with cashiers who take the word of the customer on items underneath the cart. I know it's tough to get a good look sometimes and I realize (especially when it's busy) that it's just easier to ask the customer, but lots of items leave the store for free that way.

    I think you should send a letter or write an email to Whole Foods corporate and tell them of your poor customer service experience.

    Many corporate LP and operational executives visit this page on a daily basis. They would never comment on anything written here, but they do take note of situations such as yours.

    I think at the least you'll get an apology and at the most get a gift card or some kind of discount for your trouble. It won't make up for the embarrassment they put you through, but it's something-especially if you still plan on doing business with them.

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    forgot2pay 5 years ago

    Rockinjoe

    Thank you for your reply, I asked the LP while outside during that conversation, isn't it their job to ask me or look in the cart? and I forgot to mention, the CS mgr was in the check stand right behind where this took place, not 3 ft away. Why did they not say to the cashier, or me, there is an item in your cart that hasn't been checked?

    I went to another Whole Foods and had no problems and while at the check stand I made certain to check thoroughly and asked the cashier and the courtesy clerk to look, they looked at me like no problem....

    I won't be returning to the WF where this occurred and I will be writing the corporate office about what transpired.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi forgot2pay, Like I said, this was handled poorly. The store was either having a bad night and you just happened to be there at the wrong time, or they have issues and could do with a dose of retaining.

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    Ridddda 5 years ago

    I was recently caught shoplifting at macys with $115 worth of items. I have a court date, and i was wondering what they are going to do at court and if there is any way to not get this on my permanent record, im only 17 years old and i dont want colleges to see it.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Ridddda, Thanks for writing, but I can't comment on court cases, as I'm not an attorney. Please try a legal board or forum. Sorry. Good luck!

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    ForbiddenFruit 5 years ago

    Hello, rockinjoe. I've been very entertained by the comments and your blog that I've read.

    Anywho, I was caught stealing at Spencers Gifts last night at the mall. I live in Florida, and the thing I stole were a pair of $7 earrings that my friend very much wanted. Spencers did prosecute me, and although I had my ID, the manager called the mall security anyway, and I ended up being arrested. I didn't go to jail, but I was in the cop car for a while as the cop asked for my information. Another guard was having a conversation with me as he was browsing through my belongings. I was eventually told that I would have to set a date to go to court, and that I was banned from all the malls in Jacksonville for a year.

    Even though all of that happened, nobody was harsh to me. Despite that I was handcuffed and escorted out, I thought I was treated pretty lightly, and I was actually told by one of the guards that I seemed like a pretty smart girl, and that I probably won't go to jail for second class misdemeanor/petty theft, but more than likely I would have a criminal record now. I was eventually let go and I took the bus home.

    I'm not sure how to react to this. This is my first time being caught. I explained my situation to my room mates and some friends, and they said that I won't be in trouble if its just second degree misdemeanor - although I've read that the highest punishment possible for petty theft is 60 days in prison. I am 19 years old, and no one in my family knows about this yet. I just need some reassurance, if you can give me some, Joe. It'd be much appreciated ...

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    bugsy 5 years ago

    What happens if someone goes to bk and lies and says they messed up your order so you can get a free double whopper, if you leave there property can charges be pressed? I'm not looking four a answer just a educated guess. Thanks.

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    annngie 5 years ago

    hi i have a question, it doesn't regard me but it a family friend. they are minor caught shop lifting at a major store like macy. they sign papers about civic sue...but they are minor shouldn't a parent or legal guardine had sign it? the police should up and took a report and he said he charging them with petty theft. they were let go into parent custody but never went to juvi..the police said they might get paper to go to court. he never made it clear,...but on the civic sue paper there was the name of the minor,date and the security name but there were some information missing like the address, case numbers and so on...it look incomplete...anyways do u think they will have to go to court? since it their first time and they are both under the age of 16 what will happen????

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hello Forbidden Fruit, Glad you like the page. Entertaining is what I try to be. After 250 comments on this blog, I believe you're the first one who has been popped at Spencers.

    Spencers clearly has a shoplifting problem. They attract the early teenage-mid 20's crowd with all sorts of novelties that fit so easily inside a pocket or bag.

    I'm not surprised they prosecuted you. Busy malls with busy stores (like Spencers) like when someone walks out in cuffs, it makes those who witness it think twice before trying it themselves. It's all theatrics. You took a pair of earrings. You're not a serial killer and you won't do any jail time. I wish stores would stop prosecuting for small dollar amounts. It clogs up the court systems and it ties up cops

    Who told you that you were banned from all the malls in Jacksonville? I'd be very surprised to hear it was a police officer. I'm guessing one of the rent a cops? Usually, (Unless Florida has gone completely crazy) to be trespassed, you will be told not to return by an authorized agent of the store, which is usually the store manager, Or you'll receive a letter in the mail informing you that you are not to return.

    Speaking of letters....

    Florida is a civil demand recovery state and you may receive a fine in the mail. If Spencer's is on the ball with civil demand, you'll receive a bill for a minimum of $200. That is separate from any legal fees you incur or fines you may (or may not) receive from a judge.

    So did the cops give you a court date, or did they tell you to wait for the mail?

    My advice to you, is to consult with a lawyer about going to court. You can sometimes get a free consultation from those TV attorneys, so make sure to ask when you call.

    The only reason I advise you to speak with an attorney, isthey will be able to tell you ALL of your options. A lawyer may get the charge lessened or possibly dropped. Once again, it's $7 we're talking about.

    You'll have to make the decision to whether it's worth hiring an attorney over.

    Now for that reassurance?

    Take a deep breath and relax. Everything is gonna be fine. If you had gotten caught at Walmart or Kmart or Target, you wouldn't have even seen a cop.

    Spencer's decided to make an example out of you. That's all. It's seriously not a big deal.

    Keep me posted on this. I'm very interested in your outcome.

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    bugsy 5 years ago

    Anyway, I like your page, have a good one all.

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi bugsy, I needed that laugh. Thank You. If you lie to Burger King, they send that freaky looking BK guy over your house to rough you up. Jus' saying....

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    I appreciate that, bugsy. Thanks for the compliment. Next time you get a free Whopper, please be sure to send one my way,...

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    Joseph Addams 5 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi annngie,

    That civil demand paper that looked incomplete is just to inform the shoplifter or parent that he/she would be receiving a civil fine in the mail. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the criminal case or going to court.

    It was most-likely incomplete because the LP did not have a case number or other info for it yet. I don't know why he had the kid sign it. That's just stupid. It doesn't matter anyway. The kid shoplifted, the police were called and a report was filed. It's up to the prosecutor now to determine if there will be a court case.

    Even if the minor doesn't end up getting a court date, your friends will receive a fine in the mail.

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    lauren 4 years ago

    have been shoplifting from a store on and off for awhile.finally got caught and arrested with 3rd degree fraud.will other charges follow?can they go back and charge me from before?

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    Joseph Addams 4 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Before what? Prior thefts? Not likely. If you'd been getting away with it for awhile, piecing together a bunch of video from a hard drive (or worse) videotape would be a major pain in the ass and and even then there's no guarantee of the prosecutor accepting it as evidence. Besides that, there would only be partial video of you in one area of the store at a time and wouldn't be complete. It would be tough to pin a prior using prior video. If you haven't got one, find a good lawyer, right now.

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    Jenna 4 years ago

    Hey rockinjoe,

    So, like many of the other people here, I stole. I stole deodorant and other personal items for ladies, totaling up to $26 something. Reason being, I'm looking for a job and if you smell funny and your crotch is bloody you'll never get hired. I just turned 18, and my parents have me 3 months to get out of their house and they haven't spent a penny on me since the day before my birthday. Anyway, I've been stealing food from the grocery store for 3 mo. just to stay alive. I was embarrassed to go to a homeless shelter for it. Anyway, the guy who caught me was employed by an outside LP group. A fine is coming through the mail, and I already dropped some classes at school to get together the money to cover it. They said the fine was in lieu of it going on my criminal record. So, no potential employers will be able to find out, right? The police were never called. All I wanted was a job, but God, I really messed up.

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    Joseph Addams 4 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Jenna, The worst that could happen at this point, is that you may end up being entered in a shoplifter database, if the store you shoplifted from subscribes to one. Your information may be shared with other subscribers. This is not the kiss of death for employment, but it's worth mentioning. Good luck!

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    Melissa 4 years ago

    hi mon went in to Ross and had the same shoes on instead of going to the front desk to exchanged them herself . For a diffenernt size . The guy confronter her at her car made her go back in the store . He called the cops . She was not to jail . Is has a court date . What should she plead .

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    Joseph Addams 4 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Melissa,

    Have mom get a lawyer. This is ridiculous. This is a situation the store manager should have handled before it escalated into the police being called. Even though she didn't follow store protocol for returning merchandise, she didn't actually shoplift either.

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    Melissa 4 years ago

    ok thanks she spoke to a lawyer that want 500.00 to defend her . I cant believe they call the police .

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    Joseph Addams 4 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    See if your mom can get a free consultation with an attorney. Some lawyers do that. She'll be able to learn what options she has. I can't believe they called the cops either. Tell mom I said good luck!

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    leigh 4 years ago

    my friend took some mens cologne and one of the employees saw it. i dont know if the camera saw it or not...but she said if the camera shows she stole it she would be banned from CVS....she also took other things...probably about $40 worth.....i dont know what to do...any suggestions??? helppppppppppppp!!!!!!!!!!

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    Joseph Addams 4 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi leigh, I think all your friend did was attract attention to herself. She's not going to get banned from CVS, because CVS didn't apprehend her, or call the police. (As far as we know, anyway!)

    If she was spotted by an employee and that employee is bright enough to let someone know what she saw, the camera (if available) could possibly be reviewed for suspected theft activity.

    That being said, CVS won't apprehend her unless she steals again, but you can bet your last dollar they'll be watching her next time she shops.

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    hinder81 4 years ago

    i was caught stealing from Walmart one night, and was confused and concerned. I got taken into this little room where they looked in my purse and asked me questions. They wouldn't let me see the video,of course. Eventually, the police had came and never once put me in handcuffs.. Nor did i get my rights read to me. They didn't take me to jail that night, but about 2 weeks later cops came to my door and said i had a warrent out for my arrest. They took me to jail that day, and i got out on cash bond. Now i have a courtdate. Is this illegal???

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    Joseph Addams 4 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    That's strange. It definitely sounds like some kind of mixup. What did the cops do when they got to Walmart that night? Did they summons you (give you a ticket with a court date?) or tell you that you would receive a court summons in the mail? You're only going to get your rights read when you are being arrested.

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    l48fk29g 4 years ago

    Today , I'm at walmart , it's packed crazy , there restocking (they should be cleaning you can't find anything ) so you can't walk down most rows or find anything , to reach anything your reaching around carts full of verious items from other aeras of the store It's the worst walmart i've seen but it's the only one close to me with a food section i'm doing my shopping , got lightblubs , few jars of baby food for my neice i have to babysit next week, a nice tote bag, baby wipes , ice scraper for the car , i grabed a few xmas ordaments , a pair of fuzzy socks , conceler because i'm running low , magic cards for my nephew and a monster high doll for my kid , well a few things went back on the shelves because i relized i buy ordaments every year and we now how more then we'll ever need , , i'm aggravated because of how much junk is in every dang row , i'm constaly bumping into somone , moving my cart , takes me forever ,I pull my jacket off and put it next to my purse in the top part of the carage,I finish putting the doll back , and go check out , i love my new tote have a great conversation with the check out girl about how shopping as fried my brain cuz i can't find my keys that i'm digging thu my bag for wile i'm getting my money out and then i relize there cliped onto my belt loop ... she laughs and says you need to go rest i nodded and smiled ,so smileing getting my phone out to check the time I walk out and BEEP BEEP BEEP .. a young kid about 22 says" i need you to come with me " confused I look up " Huh ? oh ok ".. I'm thinking i got everything so i'm looking into the bottem of the carrage maybe i missed something , so i move my purse , did something slip under it or behind it , nope nothing and I grab my jacket ... the socks/conceler and magic cards are under my jacket! Great! ,.. I put them in the top part of my cart , and wile trying to navagate the store & distracted by trying not to play bumper carts without thinking I put My jacket on top and when i went to get my wallet out of my bag i pushed the jacket down ontop of the items ,however I honestly had NO idea they were there my brain was so frazzled i wasent even thinking , dident i pick up conceler,socks and cards, I was just so sick of the store i was ready to leave now i'm shaking ,and being lead to a little room and the guy loudly is like WHAT DID YOU TAKE? right infront of the croud waiting at the costumers service desk , (thanks dude i'm already embarssed because you think i stole something , did you have to let this group know too?) I tell the kid , Omg it's this stuff, i dident even know i had them i thought i put them back, he just looks at me with that look like ("Ah huh sure wynonna !") i'm sure he hears that all the time , but i'm acctualy embarssed and nervous i've never done anything like this , i have no idear whats gonna happen , It was a mistake , They tell me to put everything i took (I TOOK, can't they at least give me the beifit that it was a mistake , it's not like it's shoved into my pant pockets or my purse , it's in the cart with a jacket draped over it ) up on the desk , So i do , he asks to see into my purse , i say of couse , theres nothing in there (another Uh huh sure sounds ) I calmly show them , some used make up , my little coinpurse wallet , &a little notebook i keep my list/to dos on, a little loation , caculator etc ..they tell me to sit down , and ask for my ID .. my hands are shaking , i'm closed in this little room and i'm so clostraphobic and i still am saying i dident know it was there , had all the stuff on my list ((I acctualy have the list in my pocket , I want to show it to them so they know i intended to get everything , )) , i just dident sleep last night my brain is frazzled i dident even think about it at the check out , i ask whats going on , , they ingore me , .. then the kid filling out forms asks for my Social secerity # ... i looked at him funny , he looks aggravated so i give it to him .. (personaly was he even allowed to ask for that ? i dont think thats OK ! , he has my id he dosent need my SS# and he wont tell me WHY) he never has me sign anything , look at anything , read anything ,never said we have you on tape lady .. nothing just hands me a peice of paper stating i've been caught shoplifting and it has somones name and phone # on it and he says somone will be contacting me about what my fine is , between 50 to 500$ .. they never asked to hear my side , he NEVER told me his name , I was polite , respectfull , What happend was a mistake . I dont know what he was instructed to do , but if your saying they just stole from the store you can at least show them the same amout of respect they show you at least give them YOUR NAME , so if he was horrabaly rude to me , i coulent complaine i dont know his name ! ...and i REALLY i dont like the fact he took down my SS# at all!!! can they or should they be doing that anyone know ? ... but so now all i have is this paper saying they can take civial action agenst me , and a guys name that i can call m~f ct or email if i want to reslove this sooner ... I get that if they suspect theft they have pollicys , and i did not expect to say , i didnt know it was here and them shrug and go ok see you later ... however , i'm sitting there wided eyed , nervous , going i dident know it was there i've been having a really bad day . ... now i'm sitting at home a knot in my belly because i felt like a criminal , and i'm waiting for police to come knock on my door , when i'm in walmart weekly , spending 80$+ every time ... i got 13$ when i went theu the check out today , and what was in the cart must have been around 15/20$ ... am i gonna end up with police comming to my house for 20$ at walmart , for a MISTAKE !? a honest to god mistake !!! WHY did he have to have my ss#? why did he ingore anything i asked , and why is there no like 3ed party there , this guy is there to protect walmart , but they woulent even let me speek , so how do i tell my side that its a mistake ... the only way he saw anything was to see on a camra that a girl put a jacket over things , in that case could he have said , mama theres stuff under your jacketi would have gotten back in line and payed for it !!!... or he saw it out of the front of my cart as i walked out , AGAIN say , Hey i think you forgot somthing ! ... i feel sick that somone even thinks i'd steal , that my names on some form someplace saying i shoplifted . I can't pay for a lawyer , I can't pay a 500$ fine , i can't pay 50$ I've never been aressted , or anything in my life , i'm a stay at home mom of a school aged child i nanny for my neice 2x's a week .. and now i dont ever want to go there again and i feel in Limbo , am i in alot of trubble over a mistake , do i get to tell somone what happend ?? do i call the # of this guy on the form they gave me and tell him i did not walk out with a camcorder under my shirt ! .. alright i've rambled on to much .. but i'm nervous , my hubby is working 12 hours a day 7 days a week , and is already so stresed to i havent told him anything yet so hes not worring so i need someone else to tell me ... and sorry i'f i asked the same thing more then once i'm just kinda angery , a little upset , and my feet are cold cuz i want slippers !!! (got to use humor or i'll cry )

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    Joseph Addams 4 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi l48fk29g, Unfortunately, you've satisfied the five steps used to apprehend shoplifters at Walmart, (and most other places North America) by doing the following.

    -You selected merchandise

    -You concealed merchandise

    -You made no attempt to pay for the merchandise

    -You passed all points of purchase

    -You attempted to leave the store without paying

    Mistake or not, you've just shoplifted.

    Now, I'm not accusing you of a crime, (I wasn't there and don't know what exactly occurred), but concealing merchandise in a shopping cart is a very common method of shoplifting.

    You were fortunate that no police were involved. You will receive a civil fine in the mail and that will be up to you to decide whether or not you want to pay it, or not. The civil fine has absolutely nothing to do with a criminal charge.

    Asking for your SS# is just standard protocol. It's not the LP's fault, it's on the Walmart apprehension form and is required info for the LP to obtain.

    I don't see Walmart dropping this. The only other option is for you to involve a lawyer (and lots of money) and prove your innocence before a judge. I would get a free consultation with one in your area and you would be able to learn your options.

    Good luck!

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    wonthappenagain 2 years ago

    Hello,

    Can you help me? I was arrested yesterday for shoplifting from kohls in Iowa this was my second attempt at it I think I was suspected of shoplifting art he kohls in a different city/county but they did not write me up or anything maybe the lp wasn't there that day I just got weird looks from the managers as I was leaving the first time I did this. Since I didn't give them my name or anything or wasnt actually caught at the first store now that I've been caught at the second store will I be prosecuted for the first shoplifting since they now have my information. Is there a way they can look me up somehow or use my picture to identify me and charge me for something else. Also could I get a civil offense from kohls the first time if I was not apprehended but have my license plate number?

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    Joseph Addams 2 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi won'thappenagain. The answer to your question is no. If the first store did not apprehend you, they won't have anyway to look you (or any video they may have of the incident), up. Also civil fines cannot be issued unless there was a theft. It doesn't matter if they have your license plate, or not. This is Kohl's, not the FBI.

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    wonthappenagain 2 years ago

    Thank you rockinjoe! I did take some things tho that first time but I was not apprehended now that I have done it a second time and did get caught but not at the same store, still at kohls but different stores will I be prosecuted for the first offense? Is there a way it can find out if they filed a police report for that first initial time even though I was not apprehended.

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    Joseph Addams 2 years ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi wonthappenagain,

    You'll be ok with the first offense. Here's why.

    1.) You were not apprehended.

    2.) No one would know how to look it up the video (if it even existed) at the first store. In other words, the first Kohl's has no idea about what happened at the second Kohl's and vice versa.

    3.) Even if somehow the stores did match up their information (which isn't going to happen), the first Kohl's would have to know the time and date of the incident, plus a description of your personal appearance. Then they would have to check out and piece together video from several different points in the store and they still wouldn't be able to press charges because they would not have 100% surveillance of you in the store if no one was actively following you.

    Kohl's has great merchandise. I shop there myself. But, they don't have forensic scientists operating those cameras.

    Worry about taking care of your second offense. That's what's important here.

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    Steve smith 8 months ago

    Caught shoplifting, although no cameras were present in store. Does this have anything to do with being found guilty?

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    Joseph Addams 8 months ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi steve smith, No, not all, It's what shopkeepers did before surveillance cameras were in use. As long as an agent of the store witnessed you steal, it's good enough to have you processed or arrested.

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    Tina 7 months ago

    as I was leaving the store I was asked for my receipt. I showed the receipt for what I paid for. I was told that I can take what I paid for. I was also told to never come into the store again. Yes I understand I was wrong for attempt to take food that I didn't pay for, but I didn't leave the store with the unpaid items. So can they really tell me that I can never come into the store ever again?

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    Joseph Addams 7 months ago from Standing right behind you!

    Hi Tina,

    Yes.It may be a public place, but you can be asked to leave and never return.Verbally notifying you not to come back is often enough for police officers to come to the store, and (at the very least), make sure you understand you are not to vilolate the rule again.

    Good luck!

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